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If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry?

Will they try to make use of anti-Mormon Bigotry against Romney?


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Michael Walsh thinks so. I'll admit, after what we saw following Proposition 8 in California, it wouldn't be terribly surprising.



he points out that Frank Rich writes:

...As one prominent Romney surrogate, the Utah congressman Jason Chaffetz, has it, Romney is “the most vetted candidate out there.” Maybe — if you assume there will be no more questions about Bain, the Cayman Islands, the expunged internal records from Romney’s term as governor, or his pre-2010 tax returns. Or about the big dog that has yet to bark, and surely will by October: Romney’s long career as a donor to and lay official of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints....

Romney is even less forthcoming about his religion than he is about his tax returns. When the Evangelical view of Mormonism as a non-Christian cult threatened his 2008 run, Romney delivered what his campaign hyped as a JFK-inspired speech on “Faith in America.” This otherwise forgotten oration was memorable only for the number of times it named Romney’s own faith: once.

In the current campaign, Romney makes frequent reference to faith, God, and his fierce loyalty to “the same church.” But whether in debates, or in the acres of official material on his campaign website, or in a flyer pitched at religious voters in South Carolina, he never names what that faith or church is. In Romneyland, Mormonism is the religion that dare not speak its name. . . .

His campaign is intent on enforcing the redaction of his religion, not least, one imagines, because a Gallup poll found that 22 percent in both parties say they would not vote for a Mormon for president. . . . Like Romney’s evasions about his private finances, his conspicuous cone of silence about this major pillar of his biography also leaves you wondering what he is trying to hide. That his faith can be as secretive as he is — Ann Romney’s non-Mormon parents were not allowed to attend the religious ceremony consecrating her marriage to Mitt — only whets the curiosity among the 82 percent of Americans who tell pollsters they know little or nothing about Mormonism.​


And so on and so forth. Many of Mormonism's beliefs are indeed outside the general Judeo-Christian mainstream; and it could indeed provide fertile ground.

I'm thinking, given much of the Left's cultural horror at people who actually believe, follow, and appear to succeed at following traditional socially conservative religion, and given that Obama's campaign plan is to immediately go hard negative... they will.

The question is whether or not it sparks a backlash.
 
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I think he will talk about his faith more, but i don't know about antimormon bigotry. He knows there are people that are uncomfortable about romney's faith.
 
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Michael Walsh thinks so. I'll admit, after what we saw following Proposition 8 in California, it wouldn't be terribly surprising.



he points out that Frank Rich writes:

...As one prominent Romney surrogate, the Utah congressman Jason Chaffetz, has it, Romney is “the most vetted candidate out there.” Maybe — if you assume there will be no more questions about Bain, the Cayman Islands, the expunged internal records from Romney’s term as governor, or his pre-2010 tax returns. Or about the big dog that has yet to bark, and surely will by October: Romney’s long career as a donor to and lay official of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints....

Romney is even less forthcoming about his religion than he is about his tax returns. When the Evangelical view of Mormonism as a non-Christian cult threatened his 2008 run, Romney delivered what his campaign hyped as a JFK-inspired speech on “Faith in America.” This otherwise forgotten oration was memorable only for the number of times it named Romney’s own faith: once.

In the current campaign, Romney makes frequent reference to faith, God, and his fierce loyalty to “the same church.” But whether in debates, or in the acres of official material on his campaign website, or in a flyer pitched at religious voters in South Carolina, he never names what that faith or church is. In Romneyland, Mormonism is the religion that dare not speak its name. . . .

His campaign is intent on enforcing the redaction of his religion, not least, one imagines, because a Gallup poll found that 22 percent in both parties say they would not vote for a Mormon for president. . . . Like Romney’s evasions about his private finances, his conspicuous cone of silence about this major pillar of his biography also leaves you wondering what he is trying to hide. That his faith can be as secretive as he is — Ann Romney’s non-Mormon parents were not allowed to attend the religious ceremony consecrating her marriage to Mitt — only whets the curiosity among the 82 percent of Americans who tell pollsters they know little or nothing about Mormonism.​


And so on and so forth. Many of Mormonism's beliefs are indeed outside the general Judeo-Christian mainstream; and it could indeed provide fertile ground.

I'm thinking, given much of the Left's cultural horror at people who actually believe, follow, and appear to succeed at following traditional socially conservative religion, and given that Obama's campaign plan is to immediately go hard negative... they will.

The question is whether or not it sparks a backlash.

When has Obama gone after anybody's religion? Ever? McCain's? Palin's? Boehner's? Going after a person's religion is a Republican trick.
 
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I doubt we will see Obama first hand go there, but with all these super pacs forming I bet we will see plenty of anonymous attacks on both Obama (for being Muslim or for Rev. Wright) and for Romney's Mormonism, amongst plenty of other things.
 
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I doubt we will see Obama first hand go there, but with all these super pacs forming I bet we will see plenty of anonymous attacks on both Obama (for being Muslim or for Rev. Wright) and for Romney's Mormonism, amongst plenty of other things.

LOL. for being a muslim or rev wright. Or they will call him and an atheist muslim.
 
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I'm not sure if he will because I'm not sure he would gain any benefit. Independent voters would be turned off. The only people that it would matter to...already know he's a Mormon and are on the Right. They are already either not showing up (which I doubt is a large number) or holding their nose and voting to get rid of the "Muslim Terrorists Socialists Fascist"....so no...there's no benefit so I doubt he would make it an issue.
 
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I think it is a legitimate topic since Romney often states he is motivated by his religion.

Whether it hurts or helps him, though, is questionable. It is SOOOO politically incorrect to question a candidate's religion - EVEN IF the candidate is declaring his religion guides him and proves him moral - that negatives will be VERY limited.

However, Mormons and the Morman church won't see it as politically incorrect to vote for him, campaign for him and contribute to him because he is a Mormon.

This is no different than Obama being an African-American is far more a positive for him than a negative. It is politically incorrect to oppose him for that reason, but entirely acceptable to support him because he is African-American.

Finally, I don't see opposing any religion or philosophy as "bigotry." I may openly dislike the Mormon religion all I do. That isn't bigotry. It isn't even a little bit like bigotry.

The rules of the past concerning prejudices has reversed.
 
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When has Obama gone after anybody's religion? Ever? McCain's? Palin's? Boehner's? Going after a person's religion is a Republican trick.

Not Obama, but Democrats for certain. They went after Palin and the videos of her at church full force.
 
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I think he will talk about his faith more, but i don't know about antimormon bigotry. He knows there are people that are uncomfortable about romney's faith.

We saw this last week. Obama, at the National Prayer Breakfast, spoke more (and more passionately) about his faith and its place in his life than at any other time during his presidency.

Obama says his policies are extension of his faith - Boston.com

As long as this remains sincere, it does set up an interesting contrast between a mainstream Christian theology and one that is not. Mormonism will be an issue as 1) its not very well understood (thus easily stereotyped and feared) and 2) holds core beliefs are a significant "one-off" from mainstream Christian theology. Given that Romney holds himself to be a strong Mormon and given that most people do not understand what that means, Mormonism is not only fair game, its an essential issue. We, as citizens, need to understand where are leaders are "coming from".
 
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Mark my words...Obama will not go there.

1) He is far to intelligent to use a tactic disavowed by his base.
2) He will have far more damaging ammunition at his disposal, should he need to "Go There".
3) He has likely had more than enough of the "Religion in Politics", garbage thrown at him by the right.
4) By the time the GOP has figured out who to run...his record in office will probably allow him to stay above the lowest denominator.
 
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We saw this last week. Obama, at the National Prayer Breakfast, spoke more (and more passionately) about his faith and its place in his life than at any other time during his presidency.

Obama says his policies are extension of his faith - Boston.com

yes. I saw this too. odd the lack of outcry from those usually trusted to produce the gnashing-of-teeth-and-flailing-of-limbs at any potential breach in the wall between church and state.

As long as this remains sincere, it does set up an interesting contrast between a mainstream Christian theology and one that is not

you consider Black Liberation Theology to be mainstream?
 
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This is like a classic sign of desperation. Can't successfully go after what he has done, so attack what he might do, some day, maybe, possibly, but not very likely. Brought to you by the guy who worried Obama might use negative attacks, but is all for republican negative attacks.
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

This is like a classic sign of desperation. Can't successfully go after what he has done, so attack what he might do, some day, maybe, possibly, but not very likely. Brought to you by the guy who worried Obama might use negative attacks, but is all for republican negative attacks.

The Republican negative attacks are even worse than regular negative attacks. They are a complete farce that paint the President as something he is not. This is what will be interesting...when their Obama narrative meets the real Obama in debates. From what the Right Spin machine you would think Obama is detested by Americans.
 
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Obama will not and doesn't have to. The Right has been and will be doing it for him. It's most effective when at services the church going Right discusses Romney's religion. Therefore Obama doesn't need surrogates for this, and I hope none will try.

What is so funny about this is that Romney's religion is more of an issue for the Right than Progressives. I think Obama is like me and doesn't let religion get in the way of solving problems. I've had Mormon friends and acquaintances, some let their religion get in the way, but most don't (at least not too much). And, for many on the Right it's religion first, problem solving second.
 
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This election will be messy, and the GOP has already shown that they will use anything to try to taint Obama, and I have no doubt the Dems (some at least) will throw mud back. It is like asking if the GOP surrogates will use the birther issue, to his "funny name", to his middle name and so on... they are already and have been using it all since before he was elected.
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

Does ANYBODY here have any evidence of Obama using somebody's religion to attack them?
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

This idea that one party uses "dirty tricks" that the other party doesn't use is, itself, partisan hackery.

And it is silly to refer to anyone in either party as resorting to "desperation" 9 months before the election. There's nothing to be "desperate" about yet, for either side.
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

Does ANYBODY here have any evidence of Obama using somebody's religion to attack them?



Ooooh, Hillary thinks so, and so does Pennsylvania.
 
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Ooooh, Hillary thinks so, and so does Pennsylvania.


Well then **** Hilary and Pennsylvania for being as dishonest as you. :)
 
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What is so funny about this is that Romney's religion is more of an issue for the Right than Progressives.

What little polling data I've seen come out on the mormon issue speaks thee exact opposite about the issue. The left is more likely to have an issue voting for a Mormon candidate than the right.

If you've got any kind of polling or info that suggests otherwise I'd definitely be interested to see it. There seems to be very little out there for the amount people on all sides talk about the "hinderance" of his mormonism as if its a foregone conclussion.
 
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What little polling data I've seen come out on the mormon issue speaks thee exact opposite about the issue. The left is more likely to have an issue voting for a Mormon candidate than the right.

If you've got any kind of polling or info that suggests otherwise I'd definitely be interested to see it. There seems to be very little out there for the amount people on all sides talk about the "hinderance" of his mormonism as if its a foregone conclussion.

The new Gallup poll, conducted June 9-12, finds nearly 20% of Republicans and independents saying they would not support a Mormon for president. That is slightly lower than the 27% of Democrats saying the same.

Currently, 18% of Republicans say they would not vote for their party's nominee if that person happened to be Mormon. This may be less troubling for Romney in the GOP primaries, where the vote could be highly fractured anyway, than in the general election, where -- should he win the Republican nomination -- he would need nearly complete support from Republicans to be competitive with President Obama. However, Kennedy's success in overcoming a similar challenge in 1960 relating to his Catholic faith may give hope to Romney and his supporters about his electability in 2012.

Source: In U.S., 22% Are Hesitant to Support a Mormon in 2012
 
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My prediction is that Obama won't but I think some of the PACS that are supporting Obama will.
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

This idea that one party uses "dirty tricks" that the other party doesn't use is, itself, partisan hackery.

And it is silly to refer to anyone in either party as resorting to "desperation" 9 months before the election. There's nothing to be "desperate" about yet, for either side.

You are aware of the difference between some guy, and a party? If so, then why did you twist my words to say something I did not?
 
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Yep, that's the poll I saw. Which was my point. The person stated essentially that mormonism was more of an issue for the right than the left. The poll I've seen, which is the one you quoted, shows that its the left that has more of an issue than the right.
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

This idea that one party uses "dirty tricks" that the other party doesn't use is, itself, partisan hackery.

And it is silly to refer to anyone in either party as resorting to "desperation" 9 months before the election. There's nothing to be "desperate" about yet, for either side.

I suppose that all people fart. But some seem to fart far more than other farters.
 
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