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Gingrich Campaign: Debate Audience Stacked for Romney

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I'm thinking this is like complaining about media bias. Even when it's true, when you're complaining about it, you're losing.

Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich rode a strong performance and crowd enthusiasm at a debate in South Carolina to victory in that state’s primary, but the crowds at two debates in Florida this week haven’t been as wild for Gingrich. Now his campaign is claiming that rival Mitt Romney’s campaign stacked the audience at Thursday’s debate with its supporters to shift the energy toward Romney, the Huffington Post reportedhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/gingrich-romney_n_1235715.html.

“They definitely packed the room," Kevin Kellems, a Gingrich adviser, told the Post.


But that’s not the case, according to both the Florida Republican Party and the Romney campaign. The party, which doled out 900 of the 1,200 tickets, says most of them went to “rank and file” Republicans.


“We did a very thorough job of getting them to the rank and file, vetting them to make sure they went to registered Republicans and then making sure they went out to people that were not knowingly affiliated” with the campaigns, Party spokesman Brian Hughes told the website...
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Yes, it can't be that the audience doesn't like Newt...
 
This might very well indicate the beginning of the end of Newt's campaign. Reeks of desperation.
 
I love that the Republican conspiracy theories are now about their own party. This is why no conspiracy theory based political movement ever lasts. It eventually tears itself apart looking for conspiracies internally. Paranoid fantasy, once unleashed, is virtually impossible to contain. Fox really did a number on the GOP...
 
cpwill said:
I'm thinking this is like complaining about media bias. Even when it's true, when you're complaining about it, you're losing.
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Newt Gingrich went into the debate last night after his ads had been claiming Romney owned FHMC stock. Course, Newt's so smart and so quick off the cuff that he can attend the debate without preparation, without even knowing he himself has money invested in FHMC. He looked like a fool when Romney cold-cocked him with that information, on TV, during a national primary debate.

The guy is full of excuses. The bad media is out to get him, and bad old Romney is an untruther and tells fibs about him (waaah).

This guy is as Presidential as the average 3 year old. It showed last night.
 
Supposedly in the morning Gingrich was furious. He supposedly kind of freaked out about the republican establishment and Romney during his first speech of the day. People were speculating that he was starting to come unhinged. So, I think his campaign team talked with him before the debate about how he needed to come across as calm and confident instead of angry and erratic or something. But, he went too far and ended up just giving kind of a lame milquetoast performance. Ultimately the GOP voters and audiences feed off anger. Whoever is angriest in any given debate is who moves up in the polls the following week. It doesn't matter who they get angry at. Obama, Democrats, Republicans, the media, the other candidates... The Republican voters don't seem to care. Heck, even getting angry at the moderators seems to work.

Romney seemed angrier than Gingrich in the debate this time, so this week Romney goes up.
 
Fishstyx said:
This might very well indicate the beginning of the end of Newt's campaign.
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Not a chance that it's over.

At least one of the "not Romneys" will last until the end, and it won't be Santorum.
 
teamosil said:
Supposedly in the morning Gingrich was furious. He supposedly kind of freaked out about the republican establishment and Romney during his first speech of the day. People were speculating that he was starting to come unhinged. So, I think his campaign team talked with him before the debate about how he needed to come across as calm and confident instead of angry and erratic or something. But, he went too far and ended up just giving kind of a lame milquetoast performance. Ultimately the GOP voters and audiences feed off anger. Whoever is angriest in any given debate is who moves up in the polls the following week. It doesn't matter who they get angry at. Obama, Democrats, Republicans, the media, the other candidates... The Republican voters don't seem to care. Heck, even getting angry at the moderators seems to work.

Romney seemed angrier than Gingrich in the debate this time, so this week Romney goes up.
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I think you're right about the anger thing in the last debate, Newt bitching out the media and everything.

But I didn't really detect anger from Romney in last night's debate. He just seemed to have the better arguments, some biting facts, and a couple of good one-liners.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Not a chance that it's over.

At least one of the "not Romneys" will last until the end, and it won't be Santorum.
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Well, at least one will technically still be in it, but it's unclear whether any of them will be a credible threat again.

The way I see it, for a while it looked like they were going to take one lap through all the notRomneys giving each one a few weeks in the lead until they discovered that they were idiots or crazy or whatever, then they'd go on to the next one, until nobody was left but Romney, then they would finally settle on Romney. But instead of staying on Romney they appear to have started out for lap two! Maybe that's just a one time fluke and they'll still go back to Romney... But it's starting to make me wonder whether maybe they just can't stop changing horses...
 
tryreading said:
But I didn't really detect anger from Romney in last night's debate.
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IMO it was kind of forced, but he put on a big anger display right at the start at Newt for saying that he was the most anti-immigrant candidate. Not like a big Newt style rager, but I think it's the angriest I've seen Romney acting.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Not a chance that it's over.

At least one of the "not Romneys" will last until the end, and it won't be Santorum.
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I'm not sure that can be said yet. The NotRomney voters have tended to flow back and forth from one option to the next - if Gingrich implodes (which he may be doing, we shall see), then Santorum is more likely to pick up those votes than Romney.

Gingrich's biggest enemy was always Nuclear Newt. It's only a matter of time before he capsizes his own campaign -the question was simply whether or not he would manage to careen around within the confines of the boat before or after he had survive long enough to pick up enough delegates to seriously contend for the party's nomination.

tryreading said:
Newt Gingrich went into the debate last night after his ads had been claiming Romney owned FHMC stock. Course, Newt's so smart and so quick off the cuff that he can attend the debate without preparation, without even knowing he himself has money invested in FHMC. He looked like a fool when Romney cold-cocked him with that information, on TV, during a national primary debate.
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that is absolutely true.

OTOH - Romney has only just now managed to get his "okay, so I"m rich" defense honed to the point where he can get the approval of a friendly GOP audience. He has far to go before he's able to pull that off convincingly in the General.
 
cpwill said:
OTOH - Romney has only just now managed to get his "okay, so I"m rich" defense honed to the point where he can get the approval of a friendly GOP audience. He has far to go before he's able to pull that off convincingly in the General.
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Agreed about the general, but I actually thought his handling of the richness topic last night was particularly bad. He ended up having to spend half the time he was on camera rambling about blind trusts and Swiss bank accounts and whatnot. Stuff the average American not only doesn't have, but probably doesn't even know what it means. It just made him come across as an alien from the planet SuperRich is the solar system TaxDodger.
 
teamosil said:
IMO it was kind of forced, but he put on a big anger display right at the start at Newt for saying that he was the most anti-immigrant candidate. Not like a big Newt style rager, but I think it's the angriest I've seen Romney acting.
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I missed the first part, so I didn't see that.
 
They should give the tickets to everybody, not just rank and file....
 
cpwill said:
Gingrich's biggest enemy was always Nuclear Newt. It's only a matter of time before he capsizes his own campaign -the question was simply whether or not he would manage to careen around within the confines of the boat before or after he had survive long enough to pick up enough delegates to seriously contend for the party's nomination.
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I'm surprised it's taken this long. The good news for us observers is that now when it happens, it'll be A LOT more fun to watch.
 
SheWolf said:
They should give the tickets to everybody, not just rank and file....
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Why? Its a debate for the Republican Primary. Florida is a closed state. Only Republican registered voters can vote in this primary.
 
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