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Will Republicans See a Brokered Convention?

Will We See a Brokered Republican Convention in 2012?

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 16 88.9%
  • Yes - and the winner will be Mitch Daniels and it will be the happiest day of cpwills life

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • Total voters
    18
It's bad and I can understand why few minorities vote for the GOP, but not as bad as it looks. It can be down to 98.5 and it is certainly below 99.0, because blacks and others is 1% each.

Yeah I'm sure that's true, but 98.5% is not good in a state that is only 64% white.

However, you will find the same in the Democratic party, you will probably find most whites and some blacks. Not very many others.

No, that's not true at all. Roughly 2/3 of Asians, Latinos, and "other races" voted for the Democrats last election. All the non-white races are over represented in the Democratic party.
 
Cain was white? Well to you he's an Uncle Tom, same thing.

What is your explanation for why such a tiny percentage of people who aren't white vote Republican? Doesn't that trouble you that your party's message is so universally rejected by everybody who is not white? Your message must have a serious flaw to lack any appeal at all to such broad sections of the population across all economic and geographic brackets, no?
 
What is your explanation for the bizarrely white composition of the GOP?

I made a long post about this in another thread and why I think minorities generally vote Democrat, and why minorities may be unlikely to vote for the Tea Party. I figure many of the reasons are similar for the Republican party in regards to the latter explanation. Here's the general summary of the reasons I felt it was likely you'd have blacks, which make up the largest minority, voted Democrat and I think some of it would apply for some other minorities as well:

So, in general summary, my thoughts....
1) The after affects of the civil rights era
2) The prominence of left leaning black political organizations
3) The higher reliance on services supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans
4) The perception, right or wrong, that the Democrats are more in touch with issues important to blacks
5) Conservative ideology making identity based recruitment less frequent than on the opposite side

I think all those things largely play into why many of the majority of the African American population tends to vote Democrat.

Click the arrow to get the more in detailed quote. I just didn't want to repost the whole long post into this thread. And if you're talking about last election in general, rather than taking a more even keeled look over the past few elections, you'd hav other factors as well. Namely the first minority candidate significantly running for the highest ofifce in the land, which regardless of politics is a feel good "message" type candidate to get behind because of that.
 
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hmm... how much did the protracted battle between Hillary and Obama help McCain?

Meanwhile the Democrats were saying that it was an internal discussion which was beyond disabling them to come to victory in November because the past 8 years were so awful and divisive.

Watch the same thing happen with roles reversed if it continues over the next few months.
 
I made a long post about this in another thread and why I think minorities generally vote Democrat, and why minorities may be unlikely to vote for the Tea Party. I figure many of the reasons are similar for the Republican party in regards to the latter explanation. Here's the general summary of the reasons I felt it was likely you'd have blacks, which make up the largest minority, voted Democrat and I think some of it would apply for some other minorities as well:

Click the arrow to get the more in detailed quote. I just didn't want to repost the whole long post into this thread.

That's a good list. Thanks for pointing me to it.

Personally, I think there are two main reasons:

1) There is a strong perception that the GOP is racist. That perception is partly based on fact. Some Republican politicians make subtle, or even no-so-subtle, appeals to racial fears, the average Republican politician in Congress only supports civil rights legislation 15% of the time where the average Democrat does 93% of the time, a decent percentage of Republican posters in places like foxnews.com are openly white supremacist, etc. But, of course, it is also partly an erroneous, or at least overly broad, conclusion.

2) The three issues black voters identify as their highest priority are poverty, racial inequality and health care. Republicans don't have a plan to address any of those three. In all three cases, the Republican position is that we should do nothing and hope it works itself out. Generally speaking, Republican candidates don't mention those issues at all in their platforms. So, you wouldn't expect voters for whom those are central issues to vote Republican.

Now, in my view, for a national party that seeks to govern the entire nation, including members of all races, to have legitimacy it needs to have a platform that appeals at least to a meaningful portion of all races. I just think of that as a basic foundational requirement for any claim to legitimate governance. A system of government that is nearly universally rejected by an entire racial group feels to me like it can't possibly claim to represent the people as a whole. So, to me, one of the most crucial things the GOP needs to be tackling is how to address the two issues above.

I would think that the GOP would be seeking every opportunity it can to clarify that it opposes racism. It would be denouncing it's members who say or do racist things, it would be proposing legislation that shows how racism can be mitigated within a conservative framework. I would be hammering out clear policy positions on poverty, racial inequality and health care and figuring out how to make a persuasive case about why their policy would lead to significant improvements in that area. The conservative ideology should have conservative sorts of solutions to those problems on the tips of everybody's tongues. I am absolutely convinced that if I was suddenly in charge of the GOP I could significantly fix it's race problem without changing a single policy stance on anything in a matter of weeks. I think it would be fairly trivial. Make a public speech denouncing white supremacy and saying that it had no place in the GOP, denounce some of the overt white supremacists in the party like David Duke and whatnot. Spend a few days with some policy wonks ironing out realistic plans for how conservative solutions can be brought to bear on poverty, racial inequality and health care, introduce those and get the politicians in the party to stump on them. Done.

To me it seems like the GOP just isn't even trying to bridge that gap though. There are conservative responses to those problems out there, but they don't really bother talking about them. The majority of Republicans oppose racism privately, but they seem unwilling to do it publicly. It's almost like they want to remain alienated from non-white voters. If that's true, and they've really made some Machiavellian calculation that they get more of a boost in the polls by seen as racist than they lose, then I think that really is a serious moral problem for the party. On the other hand, if it isn't true, and they actually do want to appeal to all races, then it seems like utter and inexplicable incompetence that they aren't doing anything to fix it.
 
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I think you are still conflating the distinction between programs and racial/ethnic views.

Spend a few days with some policy wonks ironing out realistic plans for how conservative solutions can be brought to bear on poverty, racial inequality and health care, introduce those and get the politicians in the party to stump on them. Done.

What do you suppose the discussion was over the past 20 years with regard to the welfare state, quotas, and so forth? Republicans and conservatives were not away from the discussion. Is your meaning of "realistic" just different from what was going on in recent decades?
 
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Is your meaning of "realistic" just different from what was going on in recent decades?

her meaning of "realistic" is liberal. Unless Republicans bring forth liberal ideas on those issues then their ideas are invalid, racist, and wrong and should be derided and ignored.
 
her meaning of "realistic" is liberal. Unless Republicans bring forth liberal ideas on those issues then their ideas are invalid, racist, and wrong and should be derided and ignored.

Perhaps. I even was being generous to the argument, considering Nixon was doing Welfare Reform before it went belly up in the press and affirmative action.
 
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What do you suppose the discussion was over the past 20 years with regard to the welfare state, quotas, and so forth? Republicans and conservatives were not away from the discussion. Is your meaning of "realistic" just different from what was going on in recent decades?

Well, definitely jump in if you disagree, but the conservative positions in both those cases- quotas (which have been illegal since the 70s btw) and welfare- were that we should NOT try those potential solutions. They have not focused on solutions to those problems that they DO support.

For example, conservatives could take a stance that we should do away with welfare, but that we should aggressively establish a workfare program to replace it. Or if that is too governmenty for you, they could push for a major effort to incentivize private companies to hire and set up operations in low income areas. Or they could push for tax breaks for people who are living in poverty trying to start businesses. There are tons of possible solutions that would be much more consistent with the conservative position than what we do now. Some of those sorts of ideas are kind of batted around by conservatives from time to time, but they don't have a clear message on them and they certainly don't take actual steps to try to make the realities. They focus their efforts in those areas on trying to stop the Democrats from doing what the Democrats think will help solve the problems, then they call it a day.

By realistic I just mean something that would actually have a real impact on the actual people suffering from those problems. Something that somebody in one of those situations could get excited about and want to see it become a reality because they believed that a change like that would actually create actual improvement in their situation.
 
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