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Of the Four Remaining GOP Choices...

radcen said:
IIRC, the Dukakis tank photo wasn't used by him for his campaign, but rather he went on this photo-op outing during his campaign and the photo was so ridiculous that the opposition used it and derided him for it. My memory could be failing, though.
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True-it was lampooned in the second Naked Gun movie-in a bar with other disasters (the hindenburg burning and the Titanic sinking, there was the picture of Dukakis in the tank)

what killed Dukakis was his lame ass response to Bernard Shaw of CNN when asked what he would do (Dukakis was anti death penalty) if he found someone had raped and killed his wife
 
TurtleDude said:
what killed Dukakis was his lame ass response to Bernard Shaw of CNN when asked what he would do (Dukakis was anti death penalty) if he found someone had raped and killed his wife
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Damn liberal media...
 
TurtleDude said:
what killed Dukakis was his lame ass response to Bernard Shaw of CNN when asked what he would do (Dukakis was anti death penalty) if he found someone had raped and killed his wife
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Ooh. I don't remember that. What'd he say?

I remember him also getting pounded as "soft on crime" for the Willie Horton thing.
 
radcen said:
Ooh. I don't remember that. What'd he say?

I remember him also getting pounded as "soft on crime" for the Willie Horton thing.
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he gave a very clinical answer saying he was still against the death penalty.

some claim if he had said something like "I'd RIP HIS BALLS OFF AND BEAT HIM TO DEATH WITH A TIRE IRON" he might have won

he came off as a bureaucrat with no emotion or personality
 
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SheWolf said:
I don't remember when he ran for president... but that's a funny self portrait to use in a political campaign. I didn't understand Danarehea's post either. I guess it's just cause of my age. I feel young right now... thanks. :)
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If you don't remember Dukakis running for president, you are young!!! The pic is from an ad used against him. Of course, that doesn't excuse him ever being in that position in the first place. I'm sure he regrets it now, just as Romney will one day regret the photo of him and his buddies with money falling out of their clothes.
 
Catawba said:
I was responding to danarhea's post:



The pic is one of Dukakis from a campaign ad when he was running for president.
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East coast liberals like Dukakis and Romney are bad for America.
 
radcen said:
...I am seriously pained at the direction this is going.

- Paul: Unelectable. Would be a weak leader as his policies are both impractical and unpassable. He'll spend more time spinning his wheels than actually doing anything.

- Santorum: Moron. JMO. No thank you.

- Romney: Wimp. Don't know what the hell I'd get. Can't trust him.

- Gingrich: Oh, God, shoot me now. This is the only case I'd vote for Obama, and it would be an anti-Gingrich vote, not a pro-Obama vote. (I will probably vote Libertarian in any other scenario.)

*sigh* Obama, for the win, I guess. Yay. :neutral:
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Not the most promising field for the GOP this time around. Romney or Gingrich would probably have the better chance of contesting Obama. My lean would be to Gingrich as a personal preference....
 
danarhea said:
It brings back to mind the days when Democrats sent up their own creampuffs against Ronald Reagan. Remember Dukakis? LOL.
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Except that Dukakis did not run against Ronald Reagan. He ran against the elder Bush in '88. :roll:

Whomever comes out of the GOP scrapes, they will be a most formidable candidate against Obama. The biggest load of baggage will be the sorry state of the country, and that is Obama's to carry.
 
Cole said:
Not the most promising field for the GOP this time around. Romney or Gingrich would probably have the better chance of contesting Obama. My lean would be to Gingrich as a personal preference....
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I don't think any of the candidates, including Obama, are motivated by what is good for citizens. Thay all represent special interests aligned with multinational big money. It's hard to understand how our Country has come to this state of affairs, but as you watch the big Corporations expend huge bonuses to a few instead of creating more business/jobs with the same money, it is easy to see what the direction of gov't has become. It doesn't seem to be for the people. Multinationals are not the people. Bankers are not the people. How the hell can the people be represented by every other, except the people. Are we lost, or just manipulated? Why was "change" such a responsive chord? Does inertia prevent change, or collusion? Can an election cure this?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Except that Dukakis did not run against Ronald Reagan. He ran against the elder Bush in '88. :roll:

Whomever comes out of the GOP scrapes, they will be a most formidable candidate against Obama. The biggest load of baggage will be the sorry state of the country, and that is Obama's to carry.
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Don't agree. Obama as the incumbant (with a boatload of cash in the campaign war chest) is going to be difficult to unseat. And the GOP has been get outmaneuvered on a regular basis by the Democrats recently.

But do agree with your point that the state of the economy (or perceived state of the economy) in the month or two before the election could have an impact on the outcome.

What we can be sure of is that the airwaves will be smokin' with negative commercials by both parties....trying to label/paint the opposition as the child of satan. ;)
 
pbrauer said:
The Messiah is truly bless with any of those candidates.

One year from today he should be starting his second term. :thumbs:
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I just hope you libs will be ready to dig deep. The next 4 years are truly gonna hurt, and I suspect it'll hurt even for you masochists. ;)
 
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Cole said:
Don't agree. Obama as the incumbant (with a boatload of cash in the campaign war chest) is going to be difficult to unseat. And the GOP has been get outmaneuvered on a regular basis by the Democrats recently.
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Measured how ? By something said in the Press ? The midterms were indicative of the exact opposite of what you assert. OWS astro-turf and the like are now as red-headed stepchilds. Obama and Pelosi have run from it after first embracing such. Point being, elections are where you see who has truly maneuvered, and the Dems are massive losers right now.

What is Obama's reelection theme ?

But do agree with your point that the state of the economy (or perceived state of the economy) in the month or two before the election could have an impact on the outcome.

What we can be sure of is that the airwaves will be smokin' with negative commercials by both parties....trying to label/paint the opposition as the child of satan. ;)
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Again, we look to 2010. In 2012, with the Dems also having 23 Senate seats up for grabs, vs. 10 for the GOP, just the mathematical vulnerability is perilous for the Dems.

The Tea Party will be smoking hot by then again as well.

Let the Dems throw their mud. The GOP will be heaving bombs in return.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Measured how ? By something said in the Press ? The midterms were indicative of the exact opposite of what you assert. OWS astro-turf and the like are now as red-headed stepchilds. Obama and Pelosi have run from it after first embracing such. Point being, elections are where you see who has truly maneuvered, and the Dems are massive losers right now.
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A the political environment in Washington has changed since 2010. Really can't use what happened 2 years ago to project 2012.


What is Obama's reelection theme ?
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So far the Obama message seems to be the rich are evil, and Obama is fighting for the "non-rich". May work, may not.


Again, we look to 2010. In 2012, with the Dems also having 23 Senate seats up for grabs, vs. 10 for the GOP, just the mathematical vulnerability is perilous for the Dems.
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Was only referring to the White House. Suspect the GOP has an excellent chance of taking back the Senate.


The Tea Party will be smoking hot by then again as well.
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Could be. Hope so. But the Left will likely be turning up the volume trying to label them as out of touch and racist. How much success they (Democrats) have with that remains to be seen.

Let the Dems throw their mud. The GOP will be heaving bombs in return.
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Cole said:
A the political environment in Washington has changed since 2010. Really can't use what happened 2 years ago to project 2012.
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????? Looks the same to me for the most part. In fact, it is still so much the same that Obama's only plan is "its still screwed up, but blame them". That has never sold in the past, and I see no indication that it will now.

So far the Obama message seems to be the rich are evil, and Obama is fighting for the "non-rich". May work, may not.
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Again, as a reelection theme, it has never worked before.

Was only referring to the White House. Suspect the GOP has an excellent chance of taking back the Senate.

Could be. Hope so. But the Left will likely be turning up the volume trying to label them as out of touch and racist. How much success they (Democrats) have with that remains to be seen.
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Again, its all they got, and my point is that it is weak. Sure the libs will be blowhards about it, but the Independents are still very much rejecting Obama. The GOP will be bringing huge guns to bear at the appropriate time. In a very target-rich environement.
 
Sunbelt said:
I just hope you libs will be ready to dig deep. The next 4 years are truly gonna hurt, and I suspect it'll hurt even for you masochists. ;)
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It took 8 years to flush the country down the toilet... it will probably take 8 more years to fix it
 
Ockham said:
Fact is, America isn't in bad enough shape to elect a real Conservative, but we'll surely get there soon enough.
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It's kinda creepy that some conservatives look at it this way, hoping that the country will come to crisis in order to take advantage of the situation. Is partisanship really that important? Is it so totally impossible that liberal ideals could actually improve the country that everything must come to ruin just so that a conservative can fix things?
 
SheWolf said:
It took 8 years to flush the country down the toilet... it will probably take 8 more years to fix it
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Only in your libtopian dreams. Four more years of this administration, and you just may be bowing before King Obama -- giddy with excitement, I suspect.
 
Sunbelt said:
Only in your libtopian dreams. Four more years of this administration, and you just may be bowing before King Obama -- giddy with excitement, I suspect.
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... and in your conservopian dreams, you voted for Bush twice and look where it got us. Perhaps your judgement on these matters are not as sharp as you believe.
 
In all honesty, "Blame Bush" is not going to work for ya. ;)
 
SheWolf said:
... and in your conservopian dreams, you voted for Bush twice and look where it got us. Perhaps your judgement on these matters are not as sharp as you believe.
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My votes had nothing to do with us getting George Bush on steroids. Obama spends faster, stronger, and longer than Bush ever did.

"Hey, Congress. How about another trillion dollar debt ceiling increase?" ;)
 
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With all of the complaining about the establishment, it's a wonder that there hasn't been a single candidate that has spoken to the ignored. Wait.....
 
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