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Fox News South Carolina Debate TONIGHT 9pm

poweRob said:
Here's the hiliarity of Paul getting booed. The biggest boo he got was when he cited the Bible. Irony to the max in a Republican debate in the Bible Belt.
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See, in their mind, you're only allowed to quote scripture when justifying a course of action that you're concerned might be frowned upon by some moral do-gooder... like beating up a gay person, or going to war. A quick bible quotation taken out of context puts to rest any doubt among the group that setting fire to a mosque is kosher with the Big Guy...
 
hazlnut said:
See, in their mind, you're only allowed to quote scripture when justifying a course of action that you're concerned might be frowned upon by some moral do-gooder... like beating up a gay person, or going to war. A quick bible quotation taken out of context puts to rest any doubt among the group that setting fire to a mosque is kosher with the Big Guy...
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I hope like mad that Christ does come back. When he does he's going to be so pissed looking at all those professing to be his followers carrying gold crosses, marching to war carrying a cross, not even trying to "love thy enemy" or knowing how to forgive anyone other than their own flock and not practicing "what you do to the least of us you do to me."

Yeah. He's gonna be pissed at the blasphemed use of his name.
 
poweRob said:
He's more in line with Santorum, my only reservation in making that bet is that backing Romney is the choice if you want a possible political future in this presidential election. Like a cabinet post or veep consideration or something. Perry would be a good veep choice for Romney because it would help quell the Southern evangelical backlash against his Mormonism.
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From a a purely political standpoint yes, but attempting to mesh those two together would be like trying to mix oil and water. Look how poorly of a mix Palin was for McCain? Look at Just about any loss of a POTUS election and you will find a poor mix on the ticket. You can get away with it sometimes, rarely (Bush/Quayle) but typically the winning ticket has an opening act which compliments and gells with the main attraction. I am not seeing it here.
 
00timh said:
From a a purely political standpoint yes, but attempting to mesh those two together would be like trying to mix oil and water. Look how poorly of a mix Palin was for McCain? Look at Just about any loss of a POTUS election and you will find a poor mix on the ticket. You can get away with it sometimes, rarely (Bush/Quayle) but typically the winning ticket has an opening act which compliments and gells with the main attraction. I am not seeing it here.
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Well it seems the strategy is to appease the South one way or another. Clinton being from the South as a Dem helped him. Dems always try to pull a Southern candidate hoping to put the R's on defense in a Southern state. Doesn't always work as evidenced by Gore losing his own state and Kerry picking Edwards and such. I think the R's do the same in inverse.
 
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I watched the debate today. I have to say, I was in the Santorum camp until now. Gingrich stole the show.
 
ksu_aviator said:
I watched the debate today. I have to say, I was in the Santorum camp until now. Gingrich stole the show.
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So your vote is for whomever is currently the most arrogant contestant?
 
poweRob said:
So your vote is for whomever is currently the most arrogant contestant?
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My vote is for the guy that can best articulate and execute conservative ideals. In a race against Obama, the arrogance of any of the Republican candidates will pale in comparison to the anointed one.
 
ksu_aviator said:
My vote is for the guy that can best articulate and execute conservative ideals. In a race against Obama, the arrogance of any of the Republican candidates will pale in comparison to the anointed one.
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Opinion is opinion.
 
ksu_aviator said:
My vote is for the guy that can best articulate and execute conservative ideals. In a race against Obama, the arrogance of any of the Republican candidates will pale in comparison to the anointed one.
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So you're ruling out Gingrich, Paul and Romney, then.
 
poweRob said:
Well it seems the strategy is to appease the South one way or another. Clinton being from the South as a Dem helped him. Dems always try to pull a Southern candidate hoping to put the R's on defense in a Southern state. Doesn't always work as evidenced by Gore losing his own state and Kerry picking Edwards and such. I think the R's do the same in inverse.
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It's a good political strategy if you have the right mix of candidates. Perhaps the GOP is thinking of siphoning votes from the northern Dem stronghold by pushing Romney through. Then backing up the ticket with a southerner, but that southerner can't be Perry though, it would be a horrible ticket. Or, perhaps the GOP establishment is going to go straight at them with liberal GOPers.

Personally, they are taking their base for granted here, and seeing the rise of the TPM is a result of that over the last few years. It is a sad state of affairs for the GOP right now, they do not have an attractive and competent conservative who wants to run. The establishment is no longer such, as they have completely dropped all ideology for corporate $$. Its the same problem with dems. The voters keep hoping if they keep on electing them they are going to get their way, then get disapointed with the crap legislation that comes through. ONLY when conservatives and liberals start voting on candidates based on ideology rather than what they perceive to be most electable will this situation begin to improve.
 
00timh said:
It's a good political strategy if you have the right mix of candidates. Perhaps the GOP is thinking of siphoning votes from the northern Dem stronghold by pushing Romney through. Then backing up the ticket with a southerner, but that southerner can't be Perry though, it would be a horrible ticket. Or, perhaps the GOP establishment is going to go straight at them with liberal GOPers.

Personally, they are taking their base for granted here, and seeing the rise of the TPM is a result of that over the last few years. It is a sad state of affairs for the GOP right now, they do not have an attractive and competent conservative who wants to run. The establishment is no longer such, as they have completely dropped all ideology for corporate $$. Its the same problem with dems. The voters keep hoping if they keep on electing them they are going to get their way, then get disapointed with the crap legislation that comes through. ONLY when conservatives and liberals start voting on candidates based on ideology rather than what they perceive to be most electable will this situation begin to improve.
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Most states are taken for granted by the two parties. Only battleground states matter. Thank you electoral college.
 
AdamT said:
Actually corporations can't donate to campaigns either. When they talk about corporations ... or branches of the military ... contributing to campaigns they are simply aggregating the employers of individual donors. FYI
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Don't think that's true...
 
jasonxe said:
Turkey reacts to Rick Perry's terrorist accusation

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- U.S. Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry drew Turkey's ire on Tuesday after suggesting the country is ruled by Islamic terrorists and questioning its NATO membership.

Turkey's Foreign Ministry released a scathing statement saying Perry's comments were "baseless and inappropriate" and that the United States has no time to waste with candidates "who do not even know their allies."

The U.S. State Department also distanced the U.S. government from Perry's remarks late Tuesday.

"We absolutely and fundamentally disagree with that assertion," spokesman Mark Toner said.
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Yet another example of liberals apologizing for America...
 
joko104 said:
Romney seemed to spend most of the debate sweating, ducking, dodging and diverting until he could get to his canned talking points. As I watched my thought was Obama would tear him up in a debate.
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Couldn't have said it better.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Yet another example of liberals apologizing for America...
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You do realize that dumbass Perry called Turkey, one of our biggest allies in the ME that has massive US Airforce bases, a terrorist nation right? The only reason why liberals seem like they are constantly apologizing for the family is because our retarded conservative brothers keep taking a **** on all the neighbors' lawns.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Newt is a good rhetorician. Doesn't make his arguments better, but he's a good speaker. That's all I'm saying.

There's a difference between debating orally and smacking the crap out of your opponents with an audience cheering you on, and actually having to support your arguments with substance in a debate forum such as this one. If Newt came here with his views, there's plenty of posters here who would destroy him in debate.
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No way.

You overestimate the debating skills of this forum's regulars... and you underestimate Newt.

Sure, there are posters here who would think they destroyed Newt in a debate, but in actual fact they were the ones who were destroyed.

Does anyone here ever actually believe that they lost a debate?
 
poweRob said:
You do realize that dumbass Perry called Turkey, one of our biggest allies in the ME that has massive US Airforce bases, a terrorist nation right? The only reason why liberals seem like they are constantly apologizing for the family is because our retarded conservative brothers keep taking a **** on all the neighbors' lawns.
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I have no problem with you disagreeing with Rick Perry. Hell you might even be right on the issue... I haven't looked in to it.

I have a big problem with the White House releasing the statement they did.

You know the proper way to handle this situation? Back in the 90's, michael crichton came out with a book called Rising Sun, which was made in to a movie. Let's just say it was a bit unflattering to the Japanese.

So the Japanese government actually mentioned it to President George Bush in protest.

Bush responded that while he personally didn't agree with the way the movie portrayed the Japanese, we have freedom of speech in this country, and he was not going to condemn the movie or involve himself in the matter any further.

This is a US political debate, on US soil.

If Turkey is offended, they can go pound sand. It's not their place to mettle in our domestic debates.
 
ksu_aviator said:
My vote is for the guy that can best articulate and execute conservative ideals. In a race against Obama, the arrogance of any of the Republican candidates will pale in comparison to the anointed one.
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Your using "the anointed one" means you're a Hannity fan. His referring to our president - like him or hate him - as the anointed one thousands of times is grotesquely contemptuous of Americans - as that is who elected him - and of the Office of the Presidency.

Some old ideologue sanctioned and kicked out by his own party with strong traits of ego-maniac and foot-in-mouth tantrums is about the worst choice to make, but there aren't really any good ones there to pick from. The good ones opted out of running this time.
 
poweRob said:
You do realize that dumbass Perry called Turkey, one of our biggest allies in the ME that has massive US Airforce bases, a terrorist nation right? The only reason why liberals seem like they are constantly apologizing for the family is because our retarded conservative brothers keep taking a **** on all the neighbors' lawns.
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So what you are saying is that you support the USA having "massive US Airforce bases" in Turkey, right?
 
So Joko...which candidate DO you support? Or is your purpose essentially to just bash, trash, dishoneslty spin, and attack all of them because this primary isn't actually aimed at you and you just like taking out the competition?
 
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