• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

South Carolina Primary 21Jan2012 Thread

I've come to the conclusion that a "true conservative" or a "real Republican" cannot actually exist in the real world. Or, at least, that a person who is informed enough about the world to be a potential presidential candidate cannot be one of those things. For example, a "true conservative" would be focused on freeing the United States government from the world government sponsored scientific conspiracy to impose a black supremacist, communist, totalitarian regime on the US. However, an actual person who is informed enough to last 10 seconds even in a debate against other Republicans would have to know enough to know that that is all just made up stuff. Fox has created an impossible standard. The closest you can come is to pull hicks directly out of their shacks where their only access to the world was through Fox and throw them immediately into a campaign (like say what you did with Sharon Angle) but election cycles are too long these days for somebody like that to slip through without people noticing that they're stupid.

IMO the GOP voters need to refocus on picking a candidate that adheres to the actual conservative positions- favoring a reduction in economic regulation and fighting reductions in the regulation of people's personal lives. Candidates like that actually exist. In fact there are tons of them. But until the GOP base gets that worked out, they will continue eventually rejecting every possible candidate they pick as a "RINO".

i disagree

that dick cheney would be the epitome of a real conservative republican
 
i disagree

that dick cheney would be the epitome of a real conservative republican

I don't know that they would consider him a real conservative today. For example, Cheney favors marriage equality.
 
Split between two candidates won't prevent one from getting half the delegates. It's when it is split between 3 or 4 that a brokered convention becomes a possibility. Some people thought maybe Edwards would make it a three way split and they'd have a brokered convention, but obviously that didn't end up happening. This primary though I'm getting the sense that the Republican voters refuse to be pinned down. Whenever anybody takes the lead, they turn on them. If that keeps happening, it could mean a 3 or 4 way split, which would most likely lead to a brokered convention. It probably won't happen. They're ultra rare. But I'm just curious how people think that would play out if the delegates were released and allowed to change their votes. Delegates tend to be more establishment party members, so does that mean Romney? Or Gingrich?
correct me if I am wrong, but delegates at the convention can still cast votes for whom they choose regardless if they have been released or not. I am not predicting a brokered convention... its been threatened a few time in the last 30 or so years. in 1080 Ted Kennedy threteaned it, and so did HC. The support wasn't strong enough so they never went there. It is technicaly possible too that two candidates can split up enough votes so that one doesn't get enough or at least has been possible in the past. I would think especially nowadays with less winner take all states that is even more of a possibility, That said, while Newt is mounting a serious challenge, I would not bet a lot of $$ on him to win it. Although at this point nor would I of Romney. He has no true conservative backing the way Reagan did while Reagan was also able to grab moderates too. Its going to be a blattle between the establishment vs the conservatives. If newt wins he has a higher mountain to climb in the general in regards to moderates, but if Romney wins he could lose a lot of base support. Romney may roll the dice and go totally center which will be easy for him. Right now he is attempting conservatism and he doesn't have the record for it.
 
correct me if I am wrong, but delegates at the convention can still cast votes for whom they choose regardless if they have been released or not.

I'm not totally sure, but my understanding is that superdelegates can, but regular delegates have to vote the way their state went (or split proportionally in some states).

I am not predicting a brokered convention... its been threatened a few time in the last 30 or so years. in 1080 Ted Kennedy threteaned it, and so did HC. The support wasn't strong enough so they never went there. It is technicaly possible too that two candidates can split up enough votes so that one doesn't get enough or at least has been possible in the past. I would think especially nowadays with less winner take all states that is even more of a possibility, That said, while Newt is mounting a serious challenge, I would not bet a lot of $$ on him to win it. Although at this point nor would I of Romney. He has no true conservative backing the way Reagan did while Reagan was also able to grab moderates too. Its going to be a blattle between the establishment vs the conservatives. If newt wins he has a higher mountain to climb in the general in regards to moderates, but if Romney wins he could lose a lot of base support. Romney may roll the dice and go totally center which will be easy for him. Right now he is attempting conservatism and he doesn't have the record for it.

IMO the scenario that would lead to a brokered convention is that Newt wins a few more states, then implodes again, but instead of going back to Romney, they go back to either Santorum or Paul, give them a few more states, then move on to the other one, then finally back to Romney, then to Gingrich again, etc. If it comes down to a two man race, I imagine one of them will get enough delegates. But if the GOP primary voters keep flipping around like they've been doing, then maybe nobody will.

Again though, I agree that there probably won't be a brokered convention. I'm just speculating about it because it's interesting. We haven't had one since 1952. It'd be pretty interesting to watch how it plays out.
 
What I got from your joke is that getting to the moon is too expensive. Now, if I'm wrong, please explain your joke.

Jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them. :roll:
 
I'm not totally sure, but my understanding is that superdelegates can, but regular delegates have to vote the way their state went (or split proportionally in some states).



IMO the scenario that would lead to a brokered convention is that Newt wins a few more states, then implodes again, but instead of going back to Romney, they go back to either Santorum or Paul, give them a few more states, then move on to the other one, then finally back to Romney, then to Gingrich again, etc. If it comes down to a two man race, I imagine one of them will get enough delegates. But if the GOP primary voters keep flipping around like they've been doing, then maybe nobody will.

Again though, I agree that there probably won't be a brokered convention. I'm just speculating about it because it's interesting. We haven't had one since 1952. It'd be pretty interesting to watch how it plays out.
Even in a non officially brokered convention **** can happen.. 1968 democratic convention
AllPolitics - Democratic National Convention
 
This says it all. LOL.

397153_365553626803488_108038612554992_1445178_250541149_n.jpg
 
I don't know that they would consider him a real conservative today. For example, Cheney favors marriage equality.

Now that he's out of office.
 
Actually it wasn't too terribly long ago that I watched it again.
I liked it... but it felt to me like the rushed through the movie at times. Especially in the beginning. They did fairly well with the mock ups of the old apollo spacecraft,
 
Back
Top Bottom