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Who is Santorum?

He's also a conservative that got elected in a 70 percent Democrat precinct the same year Gore beat Bush in that same precinct.

The hell does this even mean. Senators are at large - meaning nobody gives a **** about one little precinct. How does a Senator "get elected in a precinct"? What matters is the entire state.
 
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Several reasons I would vote for Obama in 2012.

One being the GOP has nothing to offer. And it will be a repeat of Bush 41's "read my lips" comment from years ago.

Two a 11 point % change towards the positive in GDP is no small achievement.

After adding 4.5 trillion to the debt the GDP should be higher than less than 2% and we shouldn't have a net job loss, declining labor force, and rising misery index
 
Not concerned about. But reasonable folks won't vote for Santorum. I'm quite sure of that.

I wonder why reasonable people would vote for an inexperienced Junior Senator with zero management, leadership, or executive experience but they did.
 
Interesting thread! personally, I admire and respect him for his stance on protecting the unborn. Not sure how far he'll advance, but he may be considered a decent running mate if his own campaign for president fizzles/falters.

The only candidate not to come under attack and a history of extreme lose in re-election himself, in the last days the media focused on Santorum and it was his turn to "surge" - without time for others to then correspondingly attack.

So... who, what is Santorum? What will the attack points be on him? What are his positives and negatives in your opinion?
 
After adding 4.5 trillion to the debt the GDP should be higher than less than 2% and we shouldn't have a net job loss, declining labor force, and rising misery index

Wrong, what should have never happened is a -9% GDP nor losing 750k jobs in one month.

As far as conditions are now I doubt they would be much different were a Republican sitting in the White House for the past three years.
 
Wrong, what should have never happened is a -9% GDP nor losing 750k jobs in one month.

As far as conditions are now I doubt they would be much different were a Republican sitting in the White House for the past three years.

Bush had a lot of help generating those numbers but nothing justifies supporting Obama with the results we have today. Debt today is higher than our yearly GDP. What you feel about how results would be with a different President is irrelevant and ones you cannot substantiate but you can do is see the results. You choose not to see those results and their costs. If you ran your business like the Obama Administration is runnning this country you would have gone bankrupt years ago.
 
I wonder why reasonable people would vote for an inexperienced Junior Senator with zero management, leadership, or executive experience but they did.

Had to do with what republicans ran against him. The competition matters.
 
Bush had a lot of help generating those numbers but nothing justifies supporting Obama with the results we have today. Debt today is higher than our yearly GDP. What you feel about how results would be with a different President is irrelevant and ones you cannot substantiate but you can do is see the results. You choose not to see those results and their costs. If you ran your business like the Obama Administration is runnning this country you would have gone bankrupt years ago.

Where were you worrying about debt over the past thirty years when Republicans were spending on steroids? Oh yeah you were voting for all that debt.
 
Where were you worrying about debt over the past thirty years when Republicans were spending on steroids? Oh yeah you were voting for all that debt.

One, the debt never exceeded yearly GDP, two the debt created net job growth and a rising labor force, three the debt led to increased economic growth well exceeding the current 1.2% average GDP growth in 2011
 
The Tea Party movement is still about fiscal conservatism. Individuals within the movement however aren't ONLY fiscal conservatives. And the Tea Party movement was NEVER about "being fiscally and ONLY fiscally conservative". As a movement it was neutral on social conservatism and to a point neutral regarding military policy as well. If you wanted to be socially conservative...cool. If you didn't...cool. The MOVEMENT didn't have any real stance on that.

However, individuals can. Its not uncommon for fiscal conservatives to ALSO be social conservatives to some degree. And when those people are faced with two candidates they find acceptable fiscally, then they're likely to go to their other view points to decide which to choose from.

Lets look at an analogy.

You like Pizza. More than that, you like Pizza with Pepperoni on it. That's your biggest concern about a pizza, its GOTTA have pepperoni.

However, you ALSO like Sausage, but you'd not be happy with a pizza JUST with sausage.

If you're faced with a Pizza with pepperoni and one without, its obvious...you choose pepperoni.

But if you have TWO with pepperoni, but one of those two ALSO has sausage...you likely go with the sausage one.

Does that mean Sausage is ALSO your favorite topping? Nope. Its still pepperoni. But when faced with two pizza's that are both acceptable with pepperoni, one with sausage will win out over one without.

That's the case here. Tea Partiers see acceptability in regards to their fiscal views in a number of candidates...so it trickles down to secondary issues for them. Those issues will vary person to person, and area to area.

People may dislike Santorum, I know I am no fan. But when you look at the Contract From America and look at his rhetoric and record...he has a decent claim to being in line with the fiscal views of Tea Partiers. His rhetoric and record is enough to say he's "acceptable" as a Tea Party candidate based on issues alone, not electability or other non-tea party related views, etc. So he passes that first test and moves onto "so what else about him makes me like him more/less than the others who reach an 'acceptable' level for me".

What if you like pepperoni pizza, but it's from Chuck E. Cheese? Is it still considered pizza? I think that explains Romney.
 
Is that what you said about Obama in '08?
Nope, I gave Obama a fair chance. I was actually proud of the day a black man was elected as POTUS because it showed our country's citizens were finally dropping race as an issue when looking at leadership. I don't hate Barack Obama or the fact that he was a very new politician. You can be as new as you want if you are good. He sucks, therefore I don't support him. I don't agree with his policies, therefore I don't support him. Any American that wished or wishes the President to fail is un-American because that means they wish for our country to fail. When the POTUS is weak, it usually means the country suffers. Evidence of that is the last 3 years.
 
What if you like pepperoni pizza, but it's from Chuck E. Cheese? Is it still considered pizza? I think that explains Romney.
That was pretty funny actually lol.
 
What if you like pepperoni pizza, but it's from Chuck E. Cheese? Is it still considered pizza? I think that explains Romney.

Why would anyone vote for Mitt Romney? he isn't Barack Obama
 
Why would anyone vote for Mitt Romney? he isn't Barack Obama

I predict the 2012 Presidential ballots will have "Not Romney" and "Not Obama" on them.
 
Nope, I gave Obama a fair chance. I was actually proud of the day a black man was elected as POTUS because it showed our country's citizens were finally dropping race as an issue when looking at leadership. I don't hate Barack Obama or the fact that he was a very new politician. You can be as new as you want if you are good. He sucks, therefore I don't support him. I don't agree with his policies, therefore I don't support him. Any American that wished or wishes the President to fail is un-American because that means they wish for our country to fail. When the POTUS is weak, it usually means the country suffers. Evidence of that is the last 3 years.

This is fair. I felt the same way about Bush. But I will tell you, sadly, many wished for both to fail.
 
Okay, conservatives on this thread, don't let the libs come in and highjack the purpose of it. Who is Rick Santorum is the title, not "why do conservatives hate Obama" or "religious nuts should die" or anything like that. I will not respond to further lib posts (and I hope other conservatives will join me) unless they are to vet Santorum for his policies. His Christian beliefs are null and void as far as discussion because we all know he will not be able to enact much past abortion laws if he is elected. What I care about, and I think many conservatives agree, is what he believes economically, on foreign policy, etc. The guy hasn't had much air time and an honest discussion about those subjects is what I am looking for in this thread and what I think it was started for.
 
Rick Santorum is the darling of the anti abortion movement.

He is also rabidly homophobic. He got national headlines for publically defending a Texas law banning sodomy in people's private bedroom. He's also a creationist.
 
Rick Santorum is the darling of the anti abortion movement.

He is also rabidly homophobic. He got national headlines for publically defending a Texas law banning sodomy in people's private bedroom. He's also a creationist.
Conservatives, see what I mean?
 
Rick Santorum is the darling of the anti abortion movement.

He is also rabidly homophobic. He got national headlines for publically defending a Texas law banning sodomy in people's private bedroom. He's also a creationist.

He also made the leap to "man on dog" sex when discussing homosexuality.
 
The Tea Party used to be about fiscal conservatism, when did that give way to social conservatism? And honestly in the end which is more important for this country, that we reduce debt or stop gays from marrying? That we cut government spending and regulations, or work to argue abortions till the end of time?

The Republican party intensely opposed the social conservatives - beginning with Pat Buchannan and then far moreso with the religious-right raid of Pat Robertson. Those were massive fights. Ultimately, it was determined the fighting would generate 3rd party candidates taking votes from Republicans, so the religous rightwingers were allowed legitimacy.

Historically the Republican Party tended to highly resist any influence of religion into the party.
 
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