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At Harvard, a Master’s in Problem Solving

Again, that had little or nothing to do with the problem. The vast majority of the bad loans were given out by private lenders who were not subject to affordable housing regulations. In fact the crisis would have been worse without CRA as low income folks would instead have gone to private lenders who were performing NO credit checks and handing out loans that were more expensive and had less disclosure.

Because the govenrment creates a securitization scheme when it was coopeted by banks pleading to address the initial dysfunction brought about by government meddling in the market. government interference cobined with corporatism was the problem.

eone who claims to agree with Keynsian theory, you don't really seem to undertand the theory. The purpose of economic stimulus is precisely to push demand forward to fill the gap in aggregate demand. Of course it results in some slack later on, but the idea is to get past past the crisis. Once the crisis has passed the economy can handle a little slack. In this country, cash for clunkers was generally considered a successful program.

I understand a great deal. Cash for clunkers was a mess and a pure redistribution to those able to take advantage of it. If you look at the data, it didn't really stimulate demand for new product at all. All it did was transfer moeny to people to allow them to forward shift a replacement that would have occurred anyways within a reasonable time horizon, while at the same time driving up the price of used vehicles as it artificially reduced vehicle stock.

As for filling the gap in aggregate demand, if the finger isn't big enough for the hole, temporally speaking, like cash for clunkers was, it doesn't do much of anything except waste taxpayer money.

As for money to the states, the states should have borrowed the money then if they wanted it.

And fact is, you're still in a crisis, with very little left to do about it except ratchet back spending and consumption. Cause it's going to get a whole lot worse, precisely because of this out of control spending.

And once again, these were all part of the original stimulus bill. But you're not going to get a whole lot of home renovation when millions of people are already under water and facing foreclosure. It's that reality vs theory problem.

then the incentives were not big enough. Spending to improve capital stock can be justified. Spending that does other things cannot - the money would be better directed through tax relief and particularly the elimination (which is much better than temporary forebearance, which just shifts wealth rather than impacting behaviour) of distortative taxes.

RealClearPolitics - Regulatory Cost Battle Flares Anew Between Obama, House GOP

You're citing a right wing website doesn't really convince. Is the article biased? Well, they talk about the potential cost of a smog regulation (my word!), but they don't make a single mention of the projected SAVINGS that the regulation would generate in reduced health care costs (estimated $13 - $100 billion). You also failed to mention that Obama reversed course and canceled the proposed regulations.

Sorry, I paid attention to RCP during the last election and they seemed pretty non-partisan to me.

As for forecasted benefits of regulation, like various ways of manipulating deficit projections, i put very little faith in those sorts of statistuics (about as much as in "jobs saved and created" based on artificial multipliers applied without any empirical evidence).

It was a LACK of free market regulation that tanked the world's economy. It's lunacy to suggest that solution is even less regulation.

It was both. It was the lack of important regulation, combined with the existence of regulation that made it harder for a correction to happen. It's not like you can say "we need 100 regulations and everything will be ok". If they are not the right regulations, it ain't gonna help. Obama is not advancing the right regulations.

ZZZzzzz. He's acting like he's responsible for keeping the world's largest economy from slipping back into recession, or worse.

Yes, by bankrupting it. That will work really, really well.

No, that's not true. Perhaps he wasn't as vocal as you would like, but what difference did it make? None.

it is entirely true.

It is no worse or better than its been for the last 60 years. In order for there to peace the Palesineans have to give up their rhetoric about Israel AND the Israelies have to quit behaving in an intentionally inflammatory manner every time there is a whisp of a possibility of improvement. It takes two to Tango.

Yes, but one isn't even interested in showing up at the dance studio. Israel may be reluctant to put on its shoes, but it has done so on multiple ocassions in the past and only taken them off when the Palestinians used the dance as an excuse to try to step on Israel's feet. By contrast, the Palestinians have never had any intention of dancing. Their entire purpose in being as a political entity is to break Israel's feet.
 
You are dead wrong on this. I could (and have in the past) cite to extensive stuides on the financial crisis conducted by the Federal Reserve, the government commission established to investigate the crisis, and numerous other sources.

There's no question that CRA was designed to encourage lending to lower income people in traditionally underserved areas, but the vast majority of bad loans were issued by private lenders not subject to the CRA. The CRA loans generally performed much better than non-CRA subprime loans.

From the Federal Reserve report:



http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fcic/fcic.pdf

yes, with a substantial dissent saying that the problem was precisely this. Since every single thing done by your govenrment is partisan, there isn't much you can draw from authority in making a judgment. It's not like this was a truly impartial committee of the kind we have here in Canada (we have Royal Commissions that are explicitly non-partisan and very often headed by judges).
 
No, that's not true. Perhaps he wasn't as vocal [on Assad] as you would like, but what difference did it make? None.

it is entirely true [that Obama was silent for months].

Sorry, but it is PATENTLY FALSE. Assad began cracking down on the protests in late March, and Obama condemned his tactics in mid April. AFP: Obama condemns 'outrageous' Syria violence, Iran aid

Not that his saying "BAD Assad! BAD!!" was going to make any difference.
 
yes, with a substantial dissent saying that the problem was precisely this. Since every single thing done by your govenrment is partisan, there isn't much you can draw from authority in making a judgment. It's not like this was a truly impartial committee of the kind we have here in Canada (we have Royal Commissions that are explicitly non-partisan and very often headed by judges).

Umm, the Federal Reserve is an independent agency. The commission was bipartisan.
 
Umm, the Federal Reserve is an independent agency. The commission was bipartisan.

Yes. Bi-partisan. Not non-partisan.

We do things differently here, which makes it much easier to trust a Royal Commission, an election agency, or the like.
 
Yes. Bi-partisan. Not non-partisan.

We do things differently here, which makes it much easier to trust a Royal Commission, an election agency, or the like.

They've got y'all well trained.
 
Sorry, you're saying it only took weeks to get as timid a response out of Obama as possible? That's a positive?

My point was that you exaggerated his lack of response. My opinion is that Obama or any other head of state could have issued a manifesto on Assad's evilness on day one and it wouldn't have made a damned bit of difference.
 
Link dump:

Lawmakers seek hearings on bank rules - Chicago Tribune

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The Community Reinvestment Act was passed because banks were abandoning the inner city. While the act was a dead letter for years, banks are beginning to take it more seriously and are slowly building their capacity to make loans in low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.


A proposed change in U.S. banking regulations would result in less lending in low-income neighborhoods and should be the subject of congressional hearings, U.S. Reps. Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders said Wednesday.

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and other federal bank regulators have proposed redefining small banks as those with assets of $500 million or less instead of those with $250 million or less. The change would mean that the banks qualifying under the looser standard would face less stringent rules requiring community reinvestment.

Local Investment - Chicago Tribune

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Community Reinvestment - Chicago Tribune

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Northern Trust Co. has become the first U.S. bank to receive Federal Reserve Board approval for a three-year plan to increase its low-income loans under new Community Reinvestment Act regulations.

The bank, which was criticized two years ago for its inner-city lending practices, submitted its plan Nov. 1 to the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago. The plan went to the Fed board, which circulated it for public comment.

3 Illinois Banks Fail Community-loan Test - Chicago Tribune

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Three Illinois banks, including Lake Shore National Bank of Chicago, recently failed to meet minimum federal standards for lending to neighborhoods.

In reviews completed between July 1 and Oct. 31, the Comptroller of the Currency assigned Lake Shore Bank, First National Bank of Coulterville and Uptown National Bank of Moline negative ``needs to improve`` ratings for compliance under the federal Community Reinvestment Act.

The law requires federally insured institutions to ``help meet the needs`` of their communities, especially modest-income and minority areas.

Nine of 12 nationally chartered banks in Illinois checked in the quarter were judged to meet or exceed the federal standards.

The Comptroller of the Currency released the list last week.



There are tons more articles, but it is quite clear that the government put pressure on banks to make loans they otherwise, in their business judgment, would not have made, and that the govenrment did this for policy reasons. This law has been on the books for a long time, but Barney Frank made it worse and in my view was the primary driver behind this collapse (with sufficient guilt for politicians of all stripes and affiliations).

None of those links support your absurd claim that the govt sent letters to banks telling them to give more loans to poor people.

And it wasn't Barney Frank who was the primary driver. It was bush* and the republicans
 
None of those links support your absurd claim that the govt sent letters to banks telling them to give more loans to poor people.

And it wasn't Barney Frank who was the primary driver. It was bush* and the republicans

Yes yes... we know it's all Bush's fault --- everything is Bush's fault and everything in the future will ALWAYS be Bush's fault. :lamo
 
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