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Chariman Obama will run a bullet-proof campaign!

Maybe I am naive, but I thought this was supposed to be a place where rational discussion can occur. Name calling and other idiotic activities are uncalled for.

Is nobody monitoring this thread?
 
Maybe I am naive, but I thought this was supposed to be a place where rational discussion can occur. Name calling and other idiotic activities are uncalled for.

Is nobody monitoring this thread?

Some threads are more rational than others. Nothing Prophet said was against the rules, you just gotta look for more intelligent threads sometimes.
 
Maybe I am naive, but I thought this was supposed to be a place where rational discussion can occur. Name calling and other idiotic activities are uncalled for.

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Well, I'm voting for the Chair... err I mean President Obama. :thumbs:
 
That's personal speculation. It is far from indisputable fact. Considering Rep. Paul's polling and his past performance in Presidential races, there's really no concrete evidence that Rep. Paul would have a credible chance of winning the election against President Obama as things currently stand.

Yes, you are right, it is speculation. However, it is informed speculation. All generic Republicans hate Muslims, not all so much. I think judging by their rhetoric, you'd be hard pressed to deny this. A few of them had made inflammatory marks about gays. All of them want to cut back on entitlement spending, which greatly effects minorities. All of them are for the Bush tax cuts for the 1%.

Now by embracing that vitriolic rhetoric, the Republicans have insulted not only minorities, but gays, Lesbians, Muslims, Democrats, and the nearly half of America that is dependent on Uncle Sam for entitlements. Jews could go either way, but I think historically, they tend to side with Democrats.

Now, does it make logical sense that the GOP should nominate someone who can potentially turn away these voters? Ron Paul has not said anything negative about any of them, and examining his policies, many of them tend to benefit from them. So I think it makes great sense that Ron Paul is the one to go head to head with Obama, and he has the best chance at beating him, as he can attract people from all sides of the spectrum.
 
Name calling makes you look childish. Chairman, Mormon, Adolf ? Totally unnecessary.

Personally, I think it's delusional to believe that enough of the population, let alone the GOP, will "galvanize behind him" given his stance on US oversea military bases, foreign engagements, department of education, energy, commerce.

What about any of those things are going to get him re-elected?
 
Republicans aren't going to defeat Obama next year. And they have themselves to blame. Not putting tax increases on the table: Big Mistake.

I believe the opposite is true.

There's no leagal way that only rich folks taxes could have been raised.
 
If they don't make some major changes, they will loose yet another election. If they don't suddenly get ultra tough on immigration, they will be the party of the past. If they keep toeing the politically correct line and allowing the status quo of 100,000 legal immigrants per year, it's just a matter of time until the GOP is lost in the annals of history. Latinos do not vote Republican.

What changes do they need to make? Lean more to the Left? Did you notice the outcome of the midterm elections?
 
I believe the opposite is true.

There's no leagal way that only rich folks taxes could have been raised.

What do you mean by legal?
 
What changes do they need to make? Lean more to the Left? Did you notice the outcome of the midterm elections?

Did you notice how the hard right candidates are fairing this year in the runup to the primaries?
 
Take Gingrich- he thought Clinton should be impeached for having an affair, while at the same time, he was cheating on his wife. He is no conservative, he beleives in amnesty for illegals and is aligned with the left in climate change.

He's the front runner.

And I guess the GOP is playing the pre-blame game. "When Obama win, it's because he lies, the media, the blacks...blah, blah, blah..."

Stop making excuses and find a great candidate to challenge him.
 
Yes, you are right, it is speculation. However, it is informed speculation. All generic Republicans hate Muslims, not all so much. I think judging by their rhetoric, you'd be hard pressed to deny this. A few of them had made inflammatory marks about gays. All of them want to cut back on entitlement spending, which greatly effects minorities. All of them are for the Bush tax cuts for the 1%.

Most reasonably informed people understand that most of the Republican candidates do not "hate" Muslims. That Herman Cain took an extreme anti-Muslim hiring position early on does not speak for all the candidates. That all of the Republican candidates failed to rebuke an audience member who booed a gay serviceman was short-sighted. That Senator Santorum is a cultural conservative does not mean that all of the candidates embrace his positions, much less to the degree he does.

The Republicans want to reform the entitlement programs and each has his/her view on how to go about doing so in order to provide savings. The plans of some are more credible than the plans of others. Ron Paul, though, goes much farther. If one examines Ron Paul's plan, one finds, for example:

- An immediate 34% cut in Medicaid expenditures (the program that funds health care for low-income persons and long-term care for certain elderly persons)
- Afterward, Medicaid would be capped at the same level. By 2016, Paul's Medicaid block grant would have reduced Medicaid spending by more than 55% from CBO's baseline.

With national medical costs likely to continue to rise barring fundamental health care reform or some industry/technology development that changes the cost trajectory, the only way such drastic reductions could be achieved is via a loss of coverage. Given the program's beneficiaries, that means more low-income persons and elderly persons would lack coverage. Hence, if your hypothesis about "half" the nation voting based on their use of entitlements would turn them off from the other Republican candidates, Paul's positions would be even more likely to do so.

If one looks more deeply at Paul's plan one also notices:

- No more National Weather Service (via Commerce Department elimination). FWIW, NWS runs the supercomputers and satellites and data networks from which public and private forecasts are developed. That move would turn off many in the energy, agriculture, shipping, aviation, and other weather-sensitive industries, not to mention private forecasters who use the data. It would also raise a genuine public safety issue e.g., during hurricane season.
- Immediate 62.5% reduction in Food Stamps; more reason for low-income persons and others displaced by the recent recession to vote against him.
- Possible elimination of unemployment benefits (the Paul document includes no provisions for the Department of Labor) raising questions about the fate of unemployment insurance under a Paul Administration; unemployment insurance enjoys broad-based support; eliminating the program altogether is very different from arguing that there should be a finite period during which an individual can receive benefits.

In sum, Paul's policy document would probably turn off even more of the audience you suggest would logically gravitate to Paul. IMO, its exactly his policy prescriptions, not a lack of awareness of Paul's positions, that have made it difficult for him to gain traction in the polling. If so, even if he somehow secured the Republican nomination, he would likely face a landslide defeat under the present circumstances.

Personally, I strongly believe there needs to be credible fiscal consolidation for the medium-term and beyond, including reform of the major entitlement programs. But fiscal consolidation cannot be carried out in such a destructive fashion that the costs vastly outweigh the benefits. Given his document, it appears that Paul would take that destructive path.
 
That is as far as I read, as it made clear you are not looking to have a rational discussion.

You should see what the call President Obama on Stormfront or the Conservative Undergound.
 
What do you mean by legal?

I believe there's no way to raise taxes on just one group of people. It violates their right to equal treatment under the law and it's discrimination.

I think if it had been just that easy, the Democrats would have done it when they had a fllibuster proof majority and, the reason they didn't, is because they knew they would have to raise taxes at all income levels and that would have been political suicide. Hindsight being 20/20, I'm betting they wish they would have just gone for it. :rofl
 
Did you notice how the hard right candidates are fairing this year in the runup to the primaries?

If you're talking about Herman Cain, or Newt Gingrich, they're doing better than Obama.

Obama isn't even do as well as Jimmy Carter, in the 1980 election and, the poll predicted an easy win by Carter.
 
You should see what the call President Obama on Stormfront or the Conservative Undergound.

Who cares? Most of those clowns probably aren't even registered to vote, anyway.
 
I believe there's no way to raise taxes on just one group of people. It violates their right to equal treatment under the law and it's discrimination.
A progressive income tax with marginal rates have been with us since the tax was implemented. Where have you been? :shock:
 
Republicans aren't going to defeat Obama next year. And they have themselves to blame. Not putting tax increases on the table: Big Mistake.

I think more than no tax increases...their calling for increase costs for middleclass and lower middleclass while not only Pledging no new taxs...but calling for tax cuts...like in the ryan plan...
 
I believe there's no way to raise taxes on just one group of people. It violates their right to equal treatment under the law and it's discrimination.

I think if it had been just that easy, the Democrats would have done it when they had a fllibuster proof majority and, the reason they didn't, is because they knew they would have to raise taxes at all income levels and that would have been political suicide. Hindsight being 20/20, I'm betting they wish they would have just gone for it. :rofl

I am 99.99999999 % sure you are wrong. Marginal tax rates and tax brackets get changed all the time.
 
...Mormon Mitt...

...Bachmann's anti-gay stances could haunt her, and her "Israel first" foreign and domestic policies...

...Adolph Santorum channeled his inner Hitler douring the debate...

...Ron Paul, like him or hate him, has the ability to attract support from all ends of the spectrum....

Mormon Mitt???

Adolf Santorum???

what are Michele Bachmanns "Israel-first" domestic policies?

dude, wtf??????
 
A progressive income tax with marginal rates have been with us since the tax was implemented. Where have you been? :shock:

Right, but it's illegal to rase taxes on just one tax bracket. You would have to raise all tax brackets by the same percentage, lest your tax hike be un-constitutional.
 
Right, but it's illegal to rase taxes on just one tax bracket. You would have to raise all tax brackets by the same percentage, lest your tax hike be un-constitutional.

Reagan did it I believe.
 
I am 99.99999999 % sure you are wrong. Marginal tax rates and tax brackets get changed all the time.

All the tax brakets are change, at the same time, by the same percentages. I think that's the part that you're not understanding.

The Bush tax cuts are a prime example. They didn't just lower taxes on the upper brackets, but all brackets. If they're allowed to expire, all income brackets are going up by 5%.
 
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