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Rasmussen: Gingrich 45%, Obama 43%

By all accounts thus far he's been faithful to his current wife. The "family values" portion of the party is largely also the religious right. A tennet of the religious right is redemption and forgiveness. If he's still ongoing with the type of actions of the past and they come up during the campaign, I think he'd absolutely be sunk. But if there's no indication of that, I imgaine it won't be a huge deal. Will there be some that won't vote for him based on that princple? Absolutely there will be. But I don't think it'll be as large of a chunk as you think/hope. As to the whole "mockery of the claim" again, this goes back to the argument we've had multiple times and I'm not going to fully get into again. Hoping, pushing, and urging people through various ways to act in a good and moral manner even if you at times fail at it is not in and of itself hypocritical or horribly wrong unless you hold the belief that somehow your doing it is GOOD but anyone else doing it is bad.

If a father smoked weed and had a bunch of frivilous sex by playing women when he was younger, he would not be making a "mockery" of the notion of family values if he punished his kid for smoking weed or advising him that he shouldn't just use women for sex. Now, if the kid later caught the dad smoking and the dad tried to go "Well...um...its OKAY for me to smoke, but you're still grounded" then yeah, absolutely a hypocrite. If the guy is still smoking, knows its wrong, but keeps doing it despite the self loathing then its to me not hypocritical (perhaps more self destructive then anything) as he still believes exactly what he's instilling in his kid, he's just failing at living up to it himself. You could go "Well not living up to it means he shouldn't be pushing it on someone else!". Again, I disagree. We routinely push people to do better than we are able to do ourselves. Indeed, most parents hopes for their children is that their kid become better than they are in a variety of ways.

Thank you for your thoughts....I understand your point although I respectfully have to disagree. Forgiveness for whom? It seems to me that the GOP is very forgiving of Republicans that engage in immoral conduct, but will always carry around disdain for anyone else. I believe that should Newt get the nod, it clearly displays the shallowness of the whole "family values" mantra that the GOP loves to parade around. Although I hope and pray everyday that the GOP is foolish enough to nominate Newt, I don't think they will. I think, ultimately, Newt is just the current "not Romney" flavor of the week and will fall by the wayside. I hope I'm wrong. As an Obama supporter, I would gladly run against Newt any day of the week rather than face Romney in the GE.
 
Thank you for your thoughts....I understand your point although I respectfully have to disagree. Forgiveness for whom? It seems to me that the GOP is very forgiving of Republicans that engage in immoral conduct, but will always carry around disdain for anyone else.

To the extent you suggest I disagree, but in a general sense I would agree. They are harsher on non-conservatives and more readily forgiving of conservatives. I have a hard time getting upset about this as its basic human nature. Sports is a wonderful example of this in action as teams take on players who fans have issues with and then, suddenly, they begin to see the good in them. TO when he went to Dallas for instance, Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire with the Giants/Cardinals, or more recently Joe Paterno and Penn State. We see it in family and friend dynamics all the time. Hear a random girl called easy and you may sit there and joke along with it in college. If that girl was a close friend or your sister however you'll begin looking for ways to justify it. Democrats do this as well. Look at the scorn Lieberman gets for being a "moderate" by some on the left, while they give heaps of praise on people like Olympia Snowe who are SIGNIFICANTLY more "moderate" than Liebermann. Lieberman's "moderation" is damaging to the left, where as Snowes is helpful, so one is praised and one is condemned.

In part this happens because of inherent focus on self interest. Another part is that generally you're more knowledgable and interested in those that are close to you (on your team, in your family, part of your group) then you are of people you don't really know or possibly dislike. The more you know of someone the more likely you are to find redeemable traits and things about them, and since they're connected to you in some way there's already a ready made springboard for that. Ditto then for those you dislike or don't know and negative things, as its easier to buy into what's said or stereotypes due to that lack of a connection.
 
It isn't the fact that he left his wife on her death bed....its that he was ****ing around on her while she was on her deathbed and all the while pretending to be the all high and mighty "family values" man....the guy is a grade A hypocrite if there ever was one. Let's see where the party of "family values" really stands on values...shall we?

I hope when I'm on my DEATHBED, I live 30 years more, too!

I don't defend his actions, but he wasn't exactly ****ing around. They were going through a divorce. He took his girls to the hospital to see their mom, and they got into it, as divorcing couples are wont to do.

I don't believe in divorce and I'm lucky I'm in a long happy marriage, but I'm in the fraction of the minority these days in that regard.
 
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I hope when I'm on my DEATHBED, I live 30 years more, too!

I don't defend his actions, but he wasn't exactly ****ing around. They were going through a divorce. He took his girls to the hospital to see their mom, and they got into it, as divorcing couples are wont to do.

I don't believe in divorce and I'm lucky I'm in a long happy marriage, but I'm in the fraction of the minority these days in that regard.

Oh spare me....he was cheating on his wife prior to the divorce. Newt is a hypocrite, plain and simple. He has the ethics and morals of a sewer rat, which is exactly why I hope and pray that he gets the GOP nomination. It will make our job that much easier.
 
Oh spare me....he was cheating on his wife prior to the divorce. Newt is a hypocrite, plain and simple. He has the ethics and morals of a sewer rat, which is exactly why I hope and pray that he gets the GOP nomination. It will make our job that much easier.

What's your job? Ensuring that we drive the debt and unemployment rate high enough that we never recover?

Fortunately, the country has turned against your pro golfer. He ain't winning, buddy. Sorry. We could run a dead man against him and win.
 
What's your job? Ensuring that we drive the debt and unemployment rate high enough that we never recover?

Fortunately, the country has turned against your pro golfer. He ain't winning, buddy. Sorry. We could run a dead man against him and win.

Good luck with that one. If you are so sure of it, please nominate Gingrich. I'll help you make sure that he gets the nomination......LOL.....
Sorry dude, but you guys have blown this election big time....I would say as bad as the Dems did in 2004 when they had a gimme election and nominated Kerry.
 
This sort of hits at one of the problems with Rasmussen. He only uses lan lines when calling people and currently only older people, which tend to be more conservative, own lan lines. So, he is missing a large segment of the population by not also using cell phone numbers. That is why I use RCP more than any indiviual polling site, aside from Nate Silver, because you get a more accurate picture.

Yep. Nate Silver seems to have the formula for doing good polling. Silver actually evaluated Rasmussen polling and found in the 2010 election that Ras had a 3.9% skew towards republicans. Including the gem in Hawaii where Rasmussen polled the Republican to win by 13 when the Democrat, Inouye, won by 53. Just a merely off by 40 in the GOP's favor. Rasmussen is also notorious for their skewed wording of questions that have a GOP-view bias in them.

So...

Rasmussen polling = :lamo
 
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