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Why do people say Mittens Romney is electable?

Catawba said:
On all of Paul's other positions though, I am diametrically opposed, so therefore wouldn't vote for him.
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Considering that Ron Paul doesn't have a lot of positions other than that the Government should interfere in individual's lives as little possible, how can you be diametrically opposed to him?
 
geewrd said:
Considering that Ron Paul doesn't have a lot of positions other than that the Government should interfere in individual's lives as little possible, how can you be diametrically opposed to him?
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Like the majority of Americans, I don't share his definitions of what he considers "interfering in individual's lives."
 
Camlon said:
Really? Please quote!

After searching for his policy I got this, which makes sense.
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Yes, it does make sense.

It doesn't say anything about sending troops into Pakistan, which doesn't make sense.
 
geewrd said:
Majority eh?

Obama 39%, Paul 38% - Rasmussen Reports™

Care to articulate any of his positions you find particularly loathsome?
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Uh, even your 3 month old conservative poll there shows Obama beating Paul. That's assuming he could come out the winner with the GOP base which ain't happening for the one reason I like him, his foreign policy position.

When you look at their individual positions, it looks even better for Obama. A majority of voters support eliminating the tax breaks for the rich. A majority of voters support the Presidents American Jobs Act. A majority of Americans approve of the presidents proposal to eliminate the tax breaks for outsourcing jobs. A majority of voters support the Presidents proposa to re-regulate the banks.

What proposals by Ron Paul does the majority of American voters support???

To answer your second question, except foreign policy, I find all his positions particularly loathsome.
 
Catawba said:
Uh, even your 3 month old conservative poll there shows Obama beating Paul. That's assuming he could come out the winner with the GOP base which ain't happening for the one reason I like him, his foreign policy position.

What proposals by Ron Paul does the majority of American voters support???

To answer your second question, except foreign policy, I find all his positions particularly loathsome.
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Voters support almost all of Ron Paul's positions when he gets the chance to articulate them, because they make a lot of sense.

When you look at their individual positions, it looks even better for Obama. A majority of voters support eliminating the tax breaks for the rich.
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Ron Paul is a big proponent of tax reform.

A majority of voters support the Presidents American Jobs Act.
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The only reason voter's support the American Jobs act is because they were lied to, Obama couldn't get his own senate to pass that drivel. that should tell you something about the merits of that bill.

A majority of Americans approve of the presidents proposal to eliminate the tax breaks for outsourcing jobs.
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So the majority of Americans support taxing workers outside the US, let me know how that works out for you.

A majority of voters support the Presidents proposa to re-regulate the banks.
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Once voters don't understand these issues because they are never actually told the facts.

Can you even explain to me exactly what needs regulated about our banking system?
 
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geewrd said:
Voters support almost all of Ron Paul's positions when he gets the chance to articulate them, because they make a lot of sense.
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I would be interested in seeing sources to back up your claim of majority support for Paul's proposals.

Ron Paul is a big proponent of tax reform.
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The majority of people want to increase taxes on the rich, not lower them as Paul proposes.

The only reason voter's support the American Jobs act is because they were lied to, Obama couldn't get his own senate to pass that drivel. that should tell you something about the merits of that bill.
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So you think the majority is too stupid to read the bill themselves? All but 2 Democrats voted for the bill that a majority of the country supported.


So the majority of Americans support taxing workers outside the US, let me know how that works out for you.
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The majority of Americans support eliminating tax breaks for American jobs being outsourced.


Can you even explain to me exactly what needs regulated about our banking system?
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Yes, it is very simple, we need to resurrect the firewall between investment banks and commercial banks that prevented banks too big to fail which puts public funds at risk.
See House Bill 1489 which the Republicans have blocked.
 
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Thunder said:
no, he did not.
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Yes he did, and you need to learn history.

Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It created a 35 percent income tax rate for corporations.
The cap on Medicare taxes was repealed.
Transportation fuels taxes were raised by 4.3 cents per gallon.
The taxable portion of Social Security benefits was raised.
The phase-out of the personal exemption and limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.

These are all tax increases on the poor and the middle class. You can not balance the budget by just targeting the rich. Look at high tax countries like Sweden, Denmark, France, Belgium, etc. They all have high taxes for everyone, not just the rich. What makes you think Americans are so different?
 
Thunder said:
no, he did not.
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Thunders correct, the Clinton taxes didn't raise it on everyone, IF he was speaking in the way he was talking originally which was about "[income] tax rates".

For single people, it didn't have an effect until you made over $115k.

For married people, if your total household income was greater than $140k (So if both of you are making roughly $70k a year) your taxes went up. Also interesting, hitting $250k by yourself OR as a household resulted in the same top tax bracket.

So Clinton's tax cuts did not increase tax rates on everyone. It increased it on the upper middle and upper classes and raised it more harshly on those that are married than those who are single.

Now Camlon is also correct in an overall sense, Clinton did raise taxes IN GENERAL on everyone. However the issue here is that Thunder specifically was talking about tax rates, Camlon countered by talking about taxes in general, but Thunder continued to respond in line with his original suggestion about the income tax rates.
 
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