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New Iowa Poll Places Ron Paul Firmly in First, with 25%

joko104 said:
There is no reason to show any respect for Ron Paul or his followers because he is merely the next election spoiler.

He is no different that R. Ross Perot, who was really just a spoiler against H. Bush Sr, giving the election to Clinton. Ron Paul is no different that Ralph Nader, who gave the election to W. Bush Jr.

95% of Ron Paul's attacks are against the Republican Party, Republican stances and Republican officials. Many if not most of Paul's supporters bitterly declare that if Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination they would never vote for any of the other Republican candidates - meaning the reality is that Ron Paul and his supporters are in reality-effect campaigning for President Obama. Loyal to no one but himself, as a Libertarian he turned on the Libertarian candidate for president and as a Republican his campaign is built upon attacking Republicans.

Ron Paul is just the next guy to tap into angry white men - this time on the far right - in a campaign of he's against everything so anger filled white men define him as their anger guru. Thus other than some will name Gary Johnson, Ron Paul supporters are adament that of the billions of people on earth and so many candidates, only Ron Paul can save an otherwise doomed USA. His is not a campaign, it is a religion and he is the one and only high priest.

Ron Paul is a dispicable ancient old man who built a campaign around angry middle and lower class white men. Fortunately this will be his last failed campaign in his lifetime.

Send him more money, though. He needs to buy more even gold for himself to try to buy his way into heaven.
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Im sorry but that is just HORSE ****!
and that is the only reply your comment deserves!
 
MrMindSpeaker said:
Im sorry but that is just HORSE ****!
and that is the only reply your comment deserves!
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You are right. It gives Paul way too much credit. People actually shared the vies of Perot. Almost no one shares the same views as Paul.
 
joko104 said:
There is no reason to show any respect for Ron Paul or his followers because he is merely the next election spoiler.

He is no different that R. Ross Perot, who was really just a spoiler against H. Bush Sr, giving the election to Clinton. Ron Paul is no different that Ralph Nader, who gave the election to W. Bush Jr.

95% of Ron Paul's attacks are against the Republican Party, Republican stances and Republican officials. Many if not most of Paul's supporters bitterly declare that if Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination they would never vote for any of the other Republican candidates - meaning the reality is that Ron Paul and his supporters are in reality-effect campaigning for President Obama. Loyal to no one but himself, as a Libertarian he turned on the Libertarian candidate for president and as a Republican his campaign is built upon attacking Republicans.

Ron Paul is just the next guy to tap into angry white men - this time on the far right - in a campaign of he's against everything so anger filled white men define him as their anger guru. Thus other than some will name Gary Johnson, Ron Paul supporters are adament that of the billions of people on earth and so many candidates, only Ron Paul can save an otherwise doomed USA. His is not a campaign, it is a religion and he is the one and only high priest.

Ron Paul is a dispicable ancient old man who built a campaign around angry middle and lower class white men. Fortunately this will be his last failed campaign in his lifetime.

Send him more money, though. He needs to buy more even gold for himself to try to buy his way into heaven.
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You are wrong about him being a spoiler.

he isn't going to run as an independent, nor should he.

In 2008 he had millions of dollars left. that money went to fund republican's that shared his views, but he did not fund, or endorse a single guy that was running against a sitting GOP incumbent.

too bad the rest of the GOP didn't show similar solidarity in dealing with him all these years.
 
AdamT said:
Cash in was probably a bad choice of words. I think it has more to do with ego than an actual monetary motive, though for some I think it's both.
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For Bachmann and Paul its about message. I could possibly agree with you on ego with Cain. Santorum I cannot really guage as far as motivations. Gingrich its about power, always has been for him. But...why else would someone run for President with the amount of personal scrutiny? Power and ego have got to be motivators in there somewhere. I just think you are trying to say its the only motivator, when the state of the country may also be a strong motivator along with half a dozen other things. I dont think anyone knows the inner Maslowe's need heirarchy for any of the candidates right now and probably never will.
 
Redress said:
You are right. It gives Paul way too much credit. People actually shared the vies of Perot. Almost no one shares the same views as Paul.
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Now you're going overboard. A small minority of people who strongly share his views above others, but "almost no one" is a horrible way to put it. Especially since one could still support Paul's views but not necessarily vote for him in a poll regarding a presidential race or other such things becuase you may support someone elses views better (or just support them for reasons other than their views perhaps).
 
joko104 said:
There is no reason to show any respect for Ron Paul or his followers because he is merely the next election spoiler.
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Based on...what? His "spoiling" of the election in 2008? The year he didn't run and donated his money to various Republican races? This is ridiculous. There is likely to be some kind of libertarian styled Republican who tries to be a spoiler, but its not going to be Ron paul.

95% of Ron Paul's attacks are against the Republican Party, Republican stances and Republican officials.
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Change "Republican" to "Both" and I think you'd be right.

Many if not most of Paul's supporters bitterly declare that if Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination they would never vote for any of the other Republican candidates - meaning the reality is that Ron Paul and his supporters are in reality-effect campaigning for President Obama.
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You make the rather illogical assumption that if Paul didn't run in the Primary those voters would've came out for another Republican, which is baseless.

Loyal to no one but himself, as a Libertarian he turned on the Libertarian candidate for president and as a Republican his campaign is built upon attacking Republicans.
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He's not a big L libertarian, he's a Republican. That's the party he's in. His Republican campaign attacks things both Democrats and Republicans have been in favor of.

Ron Paul is a dispicable ancient old man who built a campaign around angry middle and lower class white men. Fortunately this will be his last failed campaign in his lifetime.
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Paul may be a lot of things, but dispicable would never come to mind. Please, enlighten us as to how he fits that description?
 
Paul/Kucinich or Kucinich/Paul, I'd vote for that ticket.
 
AdamT said:
The also-rans aren't going to drop out any time soon. They're following the Palin/Huckabee/Gingrich model: pretend to be a player and then cash in your chips as a conservative TV/radio personality.
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Gingrich is a conservative TV/radio personality ???

I must have missed that station.
 
When Chris Wallace put Ron Paul on the spot and asked him if he'd support the GOP nominee, the good doctor should've flipped it and asked if they support him if he were the nominee. Herman Monster already has come out and said he wouldn't, I think that is the general consensus. Why should Ron Paul give the middle finger to all his supporters and endorse a candidate who doesn't agree with any of Ron Paul's policies, when they would never endorse Paul themselves?

Ron Paul is the GOP's only chance at beating Obama, and they need to galvanize behind the guy who just doesn't appeal to religious conservatives.
 
Zyphlin said:
This is ridiculous. There is likely to be some kind of libertarian styled Republican who tries to be a spoiler, but its not going to be Ron paul.
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I think you're right. He is not setting himself up to be a spoiler. Many times he has scoffed at running 3rd party. If anything, I still have my doubts about Herman Cain. The guy has little affiliation with the GOP establishment, and if he doesn't get the nomination, might say they screwed him, so he's going to screw them back by running 3rd party, thereby handing the election; gift wrapped to Chairmen Obama.
 
The Prophet said:
I think you're right. He is not setting himself up to be a spoiler. Many times he has scoffed at running 3rd party. If anything, I still have my doubts about Herman Cain. The guy has little affiliation with the GOP establishment, and if he doesn't get the nomination, might say they screwed him, so he's going to screw them back by running 3rd party, thereby handing the election; gift wrapped to Chairmen Obama.
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Obama has it anyway. The GOP candidates are truly that bad. They are some of the worst ever. So bad in fact that that the GOP has become the "anybody but Romney party". Cross over voters will stay away from the GOP in droves, as will independents. Both parties are hopeless and partisans are stupid for hanging on.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Obama has it anyway. The GOP candidates are truly that bad. They are some of the worst ever. So bad in fact that that the GOP has become the "anybody but Romney party". Cross over voters will stay away from the GOP in droves, as will independents. Both parties are hopeless and partisans are stupid for hanging on.
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You're basically correct. Obama can practically do anything he wishes, or nothing if he wishes. He can win on the fact that he is not as bad as the GOP candidates. They all turn away key voters, that could've been Indy's or even blue Republicans. And Obama is an excellent orator, he can basically stand in front of you and say, "I am not here!" And the sheeple all swallow it with open-mouths. If he can be beaten, it will be really, really difficult. And I don't see any generic Republican doing the unthinkable.
 
The Iowa primary system sucks. The only "voters" are people who have the ability to take off hours from work, making it heavily against working young and parents of young children and heavily favoring old people with the spare time.

Because that is not how the general election works, the Iowa primary outcome is apples and oranges to the general election. Iowa also shares little with urban America, so does not reflect majority national attitudes.

The Iowa caucus system also invited militants - such as the religious right wing or Paul groupies - to raid a caucus. For example, a minister can set up buses to take parisioners to a caucus as a collective group. The percentage of general election voters who go to a caucus is very low.

Because Paul's small numbers of supporters are highly dedicated as his is an anger crusade and not just a campaign of which he is the singular high priest, the Iowa caucus will be the high water mark for Paul's campaign. More accurately, it will measure the degree of failure of his last hurrah. Because of his age, angry white men will then have to pick a new champion of the white race for 2016 hoping the Conderacy will rise again.
 
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The Prophet said:
You're basically correct. Obama can practically do anything he wishes, or nothing if he wishes. He can win on the fact that he is not as bad as the GOP candidates. They all turn away key voters, that could've been Indy's or even blue Republicans. And Obama is an excellent orator, he can basically stand in front of you and say, "I am not here!" And the sheeple all swallow it with open-mouths. If he can be beaten, it will be really, really difficult. And I don't see any generic Republican doing the unthinkable.
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Demographics heavily favor President Obama. Each election, conservative and moderate Caucasions are a smaller percentage of the electorate.

Republican primary voters are overwhelmingly Caucasion and tends then to push the selection further away from the general public. Rightly or wrongly, Obama cut off attacks from Republicans on foreign policy. On domestic policy, the problem Republicans have is simple enough. The Republican candidate will have to declare who he is going to cut off or reduce funding to, thus protraying the Republican has a heartless advocate for the rich.
 
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