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New poll is out, Romney down to 15%!! Newt is surging on Intrade

conservativeguy said:
You liberals don't get it. The fact that so many of you like Romney and Huntsman is the very reason why neither will win the nomination. Both are barely conservative when you take into consideration the totality of their policies. With that said, any republican will beat BO, even these guys since the repubs will go to the polls in huge numbers.....many holding their noses closed when they vote.
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How is Huntsman "barely conservative"?

Also, even if every registered Republican in the United States went to the polls in 2012, it would still not be a majority. If you don't get independents and moderates, you cant win.
 
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conservativeguy said:
You liberals don't get it. The fact that so many of you like Romney and Huntsman is the very reason why neither will win the nomination. Both are barely conservative when you take into consideration the totality of their policies. With that said, any republican will beat BO, even these guys since the repubs will go to the polls in huge numbers.....many holding their noses closed when they vote.
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Somebody is not so sure of himself. ;)
 
conservativeguy said:
You liberals don't get it. The fact that so many of you like Romney and Huntsman is the very reason why neither will win the nomination. Both are barely conservative when you take into consideration the totality of their policies. With that said, any republican will beat BO, even these guys since the repubs will go to the polls in huge numbers.....many holding their noses closed when they vote.
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Romney's still the front-runner. Romney and Huntsman are the only folks capable of beating Obama in a general election. Because it's not republicans that determine elections. It's independents. Only a conservative hack would argue that ANY GOP candidate could beat Obama. :roll:
 
StillBallin75 said:
Romney's still the front-runner. Romney and Huntsman are the only folks capable of beating Obama in a general election. Because it's not republicans that determine elections. It's independents. Only a conservative hack would argue that ANY GOP candidate could beat Obama. :roll:
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It is 2004 all over again.
 
conservativeguy said:
You liberals don't get it. The fact that so many of you like Romney and Huntsman is the very reason why neither will win the nomination. Both are barely conservative when you take into consideration the totality of their policies.
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Meh, they both seem about as conservative as other recent Republican nominees (McCain, Bush, Dole). The fact that Romney and Huntsman are now on the left end of the Republican spectrum rather than the middle, is a testament to the fact that the rest of the Republican field has shifted to the right. I don't see what makes them so much less acceptable to the Republican base than the candidates they have nominated in the past.

With that said, any republican will beat BO, even these guys since the repubs will go to the polls in huge numbers.....many holding their noses closed when they vote.
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It is far too early to start making such certain predictions about the general election. I think the Republicans have a decent chance assuming they nominate a respectable candidate, but they could really shoot themselves in the foot by picking someone unelectable. Romney and Huntsman are respectable, mainstream candidates. Perry and Gingrich might have been able to fill that role too, if they hadn't proven to be such awful candidates. Cain is not qualified, and Bachmann/Santorum/Paul are extremists who will not win under almost any circumstances.
 
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rcart76 said:
I agree with you. I like Huntsman, I believe he can actually take down Obama in the general election. I think his main problem in GOP primaries is that he is not "angry" enough for the right. He impress me in the debate the other night how he answer the China question. Those other clowns were just talking out their a**es.
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He has one working eyebrow that it's hard to pay attention to what he is saying. Seriously, just look at it go...it is memorizing. :3
 
It is b.s. to say that Romney is the only candidate that can beat Obama. Cain, Gingrich, Perry and Paul are all within single digits of Obama and they haven't even began their campaign against him. Further, the generic poll is in the Republican's favor, the direction of the country favors Republicans. Obama's job approval is dismal. There is no certainty to the next election by any means.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
How is Huntsman "barely conservative"?

Also, even if every registered Republican in the United States went to the polls in 2012, it would still not be a majority. If you don't get independents and moderates, you cant win.
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Conservatives make up 40% of the population, and maybe more if they come out in droves to vote for true conservative. All we need is another 10% ...hopefully from the conservative independents and we win.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Romney's still the front-runner. Romney and Huntsman are the only folks capable of beating Obama in a general election. Because it's not republicans that determine elections. It's independents. Only a conservative hack would argue that ANY GOP candidate could beat Obama. :roll:
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Grow up, your attempts to insult me are both boring and worthless.
 
The very partisan faction on the left is overjoyed to see Gingrich rising in the polls. He has enough baggage to go around world three times and never wear the same outfit twice.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I think the Republican Party is finding itself in the same position as the Democratic Party was in 1972. In 1972 the Democratic Party base moved far to the left and as a result nominated a candidate that was so far out of the mainstream he lost by a landslide. Today, the Republican Party base has moved so far to the right that they could nominate a candidate that will be so far outside the mainstream they lose the election by a landslide in a year that they ought to easily win given the state of the economy.

The Republican's have 2 candidates that can win in 2021, Romney and Huntsman. Why they don't seem to get this, I don't know.
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Actually, that's what happened with the election of Obama.

Liberalism is in it's death throws. Might as well get used to that reality.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Romney's still the front-runner. Romney and Huntsman are the only folks capable of beating Obama in a general election. Because it's not republicans that determine elections. It's independents. Only a conservative hack would argue that ANY GOP candidate could beat Obama. :roll:
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Only a Liberal hack would argue that Obama has a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
 
apdst said:
Only a Liberal hack would argue that Obama has a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
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It is actually foolhardy to think the election will go in either direction yet. There is a lot of time left.
 
conservativeguy said:
You liberals don't get it. The fact that so many of you like Romney and Huntsman is the very reason why neither will win the nomination. Both are barely conservative when you take into consideration the totality of their policies. With that said, any republican will beat BO, even these guys since the repubs will go to the polls in huge numbers.....many holding their noses closed when they vote.
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Saying those are the only two not bat**** insane is not exactly a ringing endorsement. Out of the candidates, those are the one two not wanting to repeal the last 50 years.
 
ksu_aviator said:
It is b.s. to say that Romney is the only candidate that can beat Obama. Cain, Gingrich, Perry and Paul are all within single digits of Obama and they haven't even began their campaign against him.
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There's a problem with that reasoning though: Cain, Gingrich, and Perry all make tons of gaffes on the campaign trail. It isn't even so much the things they've said that will hurt them; it's the things that they WILL say prior to the general election, should they win the nomination. And Ron Paul's support will drop off a cliff if he won the nomination (fat chance). He is far outside the mainstream of American politics, and this country has never been fond of electing extremists.

Further, the generic poll is in the Republican's favor, the direction of the country favors Republicans. Obama's job approval is dismal.
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I disagree. The political climate at this very moment is relatively neutral. Obama is at 45% approval according to today's RCP average, which is about where he needs to be for a close election. Depending on what happens in the next year, the numbers could go in either direction.

There is no certainty to the next election by any means.
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This I agree with; it's too early to predict which party will win with any certainty. But the Republicans would add certainty to the process if they nominated an unelectable candidate, like Herman Cain. And as much as I wish they would, I don't think that's going to happen. Historically the Republican primary voters have been pretty good about ignoring the conservative ideologues in the media and instead nominating a respectable candidate who can actually win...or at the very least, who won't embarrass them when they lose.
 
Redress said:
Moderator's Warning:
Mellow it down a bit.
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He repeatedly calls me a political hack, I tell him his comments aren't working and you flag me. Really?
 
ksu_aviator said:
It is b.s. to say that Romney is the only candidate that can beat Obama. Cain, Gingrich, Perry and Paul are all within single digits of Obama and they haven't even began their campaign against him.
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You kidding? Obama-bashing has been a consistent component of all of their campaigns. The same happened with the Dems and Bush in 08. All of these guys have major drawbacks (for instance, I have a hard time believing that independent voters will go for a campaign that consists of the BS 999 plan and little else).

Further, the generic poll is in the Republican's favor, the direction of the country favors Republicans.
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Yes, but the fallacy in this is that, while the country as a whole leans center-right, the independents/swing voters who determine the election won't go for just any ol' GOP candidate against Obama. Three out of the four folks on that list are hard right Tea Party types (or at least that is how they are marketing themselves). Keep in mind that independent voters view these guys as completely out of the mainstream.

Obama's job approval is dismal. There is no certainty to the next election by any means.
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While that may be true, once again independent voters aren't just going to vote for any old GOP candidate that gets trotted out. Also realize that the general electorate is even less-thrilled with the GOP leadership in the House.
 
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conservativeguy said:
Conservatives make up 40% of the population, and maybe more if they come out in droves to vote for true conservative. All we need is another 10% ...hopefully from the conservative independents and we win.
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And many of those forty percent are huntsman-like conservatives. The only candidate capable of uniting conservatives of all stripes is Perry, and his campaign is fast going down the toilet. Your notion of a "true conservative" is far to the right of many of those 50% you just mentioned.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I think the Republican Party is finding itself in the same position as the Democratic Party was in 1972. In 1972 the Democratic Party base moved far to the left and as a result nominated a candidate that was so far out of the mainstream he lost by a landslide. Today, the Republican Party base has moved so far to the right that they could nominate a candidate that will be so far outside the mainstream they lose the election by a landslide in a year that they ought to easily win given the state of the economy.

The Republican's have 2 candidates that can win in 2021, Romney and Huntsman. Why they don't seem to get this, I don't know.
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Newt has baggage but so do all the other candidates including Obama. The lame stream media just chooses to look the other way when it comes to their savior. Newt was instrumental in working with the Clinton administration to balance the budget, which should be an essential factor in winning the republican nomination. He has more practical experience in getting things done in Washington than all the other candidates combined. He is eloquent and even at all times, like Reagan was. He doesn't get excited but thinks well on his feet.

However, you're probably right. Republicans will probably choose the worst possible candidate to run against Obama like they did last election cycle with McCain.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059947784 said:
Newt has baggage but so do all the other candidates including Obama. The lame stream media just chooses to look the other way when it comes to their savior. Newt was instrumental in working with the Clinton administration to balance the budget, which should be an essential factor in winning the republican nomination. He has more practical experience in getting things done in Washington than all the other candidates combined. He is eloquent and even at all times, like Reagan was. He doesn't get excited but thinks well on his feet.

However, you're probably right. Republicans will probably choose the worst possible candidate to run against Obama like they did last election cycle with McCain.
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If it were not for his past professional and personal history, Gingrich would be one of the better GOP candidates out there for a Republican base voter, I agree. Unfortunately, because of the personal baggage and the fact that Newt and House Repubs emerged after the whole gov't shutdown thing on the losing side in 1994, he is stale bread to many at this point. On a side note, he's also been running a very messy and disorganized campaign.
 
My first post.
John Huntsman given his polling number(s) may have a chance it he walked away from the extreme positions that the other candidates have taken. Rather or not you disagree with what extreme may be; embracing true conservative principles would serve in well. At 1% he has little reason not to be himself and appeal to the middle.
It may be a case that when everyone is thinking the same nobody is thinking.
 
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