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WTF Cain - Is he losing sleep over the allegations or doesn

Mason66 said:
What does the title of the thread have to do with the content of the thread?
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I was trying to give Cain the benefit of the doubt and attribute his inability to answer that question right away to tiredness, but I accidentally pressed enter and posted the OP before I finished with the thread title.
 
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Disputatious71 said:
So Cain gave the floor to Newt, not unheard of in a debate and you are making way more out of an excerpt that takes up less than 1/2 of 1% 1/3 of the way through the debate, which lasted 96 minutes . Since the clip you linked is 27 seconds long, I doubt that this is the entire debate was Cain given the floor back later in the debate or was he not given the chance to answer at all?
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I didn't make anything out of anything, I posted the links and the piece it comes with. Cain should have been able to answer that question straight away at this stage of the race. He was "given the chance to answer", Cain didn't just "give the floor", he hesitated, couldn't answer then passed off the question. Your spinning of what happened is pure bull****.
 
Objective Voice said:
Question asked and answered. Still...

I understand what nonpareil was trying to say here.

By deferring to Newt, Cain gave off the impression that he doesn't have a full grasp of the health care issue which is a very important topic since the health care reform law is destined to go before the SCOUS. If you watched the debate, you'll find that initially Herman Cain gave a rather bland answer. But later around the 52:30 mark, Cain gives a more detailed response. Kinda gives the impression that Cain took a long time to formulate a response on a very important issue that affects us all.
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Couldn't he do this weeks ago? It's not a tricky or hard question: which type of plans does he prefer is the sort of answer a candidate should know when he decides to seriously run for the position of the US Presidents.
 
nonpareil said:
I didn't make anything out of anything, I posted the links and the piece it comes with. Cain should have been able to answer that question straight away at this stage of the race. He was "given the chance to answer", Cain didn't just "give the floor", he hesitated, couldn't answer then passed off the question. Your spinning of what happened is pure bull****.
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Your opinion and he did answer, just not in what you appear to consider the "correct" way.
 
Disputatious71 said:
Your opinion and he did answer, just not in what you appear to consider the "correct" way.
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"Uh, define..., Newt you go first" is not the answer to the question.
 
whysoserious said:
That's one of the most asinine statements I have heard on here in a while. Thanks for that! I always enjoy a good laugh.
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Do you not think that their are liberals, reporters, or democrats that cannot stand a black conservative candidate?
Her is Cornell West & Tavis Smiley




Janeane Garofalo

:lamo
 
DiAnna said:
And just whom would these "bigots" be... and against whom or what would they be "bigoted"? Hmmm?
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Of course, they are bigots. They voted for a black man in 2008, and if Cain wins the GOP nomination, they plan to vote against a black man by voting for a black man..... Huh? I am so confused. :mrgreen:
 
Objective Voice said:
Question asked and answered. Still...

I understand what nonpareil was trying to say here.

By deferring to Newt, Cain gave off the impression that he doesn't have a full grasp of the health care issue which is a very important topic since the health care reform law is destined to go before the SCOUS. If you watched the debate, you'll find that initially Herman Cain gave a rather bland answer. But later around the 52:30 mark, Cain gives a more detailed response. Kinda gives the impression that Cain took a long time to formulate a response on a very important issue that affects us all.
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Good leaders surround themselves with smart people up to the task assigned to them.

Sure, we 'elect' one President, but it's people they bring with them that finds solutions.

Cain has done that all his career.
 
danarhea said:
Of course, they are bigots. They voted for a black man in 2008, and if Cain wins the GOP nomination, they plan to vote against a black man by voting for a black man..... Huh? I am so confused. :mrgreen:
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Bigots can be more than just a racist.
 
nonpareil said:
I didn't make anything out of anything, I posted the links and the piece it comes with. Cain should have been able to answer that question straight away at this stage of the race. He was "given the chance to answer", Cain didn't just "give the floor", he hesitated, couldn't answer then passed off the question. Your spinning of what happened is pure bull****.
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I don't expect a President to know everything.

Good leaders learn. And it usually takes longer than 3 seconds.

Cain is a business man and a leader.

I noticed he didn't answer 'Present'.
 
CedarBear said:
Good leaders surround themselves with smart people up to the task assigned to them.
Sure, we 'elect' one President, but it's people they bring with them that finds solutions.
Cain has done that all his career.
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Why'd he stop when he decided to run for PotUS? Seems like that would have been a good idea to keep doing that.
 
Disputatious71 said:
Do you not think that their are liberals, reporters, or democrats that cannot stand a black conservative candidate?
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I think you are confusing a few liberals with all liberals. It's a simple mistake to make but a glaring one. By the way, if you want to see a funny video, here is Ann Coulter (aka crazy mother****er):

 
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Disputatious71 said:
Bigots can be more than just a racist.
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Then perhaps you'd be so good as to answer the question I posed to you in the first place, instead of just responding to someone who quoted my post. Thanks.
 
whysoserious said:
I think you are confusing a few liberals with all liberals. It's a simple mistake to make but a glaring one. By the way, if you want to see a funny video, here is Ann Coulter (aka crazy mother****er):
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And you are confusing what I said with what you read, it is unclear to me how you can confuse the word "some" to mean "all" in what I have said. I have no interest in video sparring with you especially when your videos are nothing more than political faction and mine were to emphasize my point that "Liberals, the media, and democrats that cannot stand a black conservative candidate". Try to understand that my statement contained a condition, so it is not all inclusive of liberals, the media, and democrats just those that meet the condition of "cannot stand a black conservative candidate"!
 
nonpareil said:
You need to learn to write more clearly. You quote someone, use the second-person pronouns "you" and then claim it's not directed at the person you quoted. That's just mess up.

Why does it matter what Romney wants anyone to hear? Romney wasn't in this thread until you brought him up. Instead of defending Cain on Cain's term, you had to deflect onto somebody else.
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It's obvious that no candidate on the planet could ever satisfy you. They'd have to be superhuman. You would expect President Cain to also be able to make all his decisions without the aid of advisors too. :roll:
 
DiAnna said:
Then perhaps you'd be so good as to answer the question I posed to you in the first place, instead of just responding to someone who quoted my post. Thanks.
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I did answer your post, is it my fault you have either ignored it or not looked ? It is more amusing to me that you claim indignation for a reply I made to someone else's confusion and not to one of your posts. Do you believe this thread is here only for you?
 
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Disputatious71 said:
Liberals, the media, and democrats that cannot stand a black conservative candidate
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Interesting.

You consider a belief that abortion should be a private matter to be a conservative belief.
You consider a belief that we should give government more capacity to tax us a conservative belief.
 
CedarBear said:
I don't expect a President to know everything.

Good leaders learn. And it usually takes longer than 3 seconds.

Cain is a business man and a leader.

I noticed he didn't answer 'Present'.
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He didn't have the sense to answer "Present" by the look of it. He had more than 3 seconds to understand the basic of healthcare - one of the most important issue for a politician or a businessperson.

A businessman ought to know the answer to that question, I learnt about the different plans in my bachelor years - that's why it's disturbing that he could not answer the question right away.
 
Disputatious71 said:

His answer starts at 37:30 seconds...
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So what does he prefer?

Both of them don't seem to have a clear idea of the problems with the different plans: most often the problem with defined benefits is that it fails to pay for the benefits promised as with SS. If the actuary projections for define contributions plans are lower than actual liability, that will result in a cut to benefits or higher premiums, under the Ryan plan, the higher premium will be covered by the beneficiaries themselves. The personal account Cain talked about is not in itself the "premium support" plan.
 
American said:
It's obvious that no candidate on the planet could ever satisfy you. They'd have to be superhuman. You would expect President Cain to also be able to make all his decisions without the aid of advisors too. :roll:
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Making up lies about me is all you can do? Why even bother answering in this thread if you can't even produce a single honest arguement?
 
obvious Child said:
Interesting.

You consider a belief that abortion should be a private matter to be a conservative belief.
You consider a belief that we should give government more capacity to tax us a conservative belief.
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Interesting you grab my beliefs from thin air not facts or evidence... and here I thought you were more than just hot air, accusations and speciousness !
 
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nonpareil said:
So what does he prefer?

Both of them don't seem to have a clear idea of the problems with the different plans: most often the problem with defined benefits is that it fails to pay for the benefits promised as with SS. If the actuary projections for define contributions plans are lower than actual liability, that will result in a cut to benefits or higher premiums, under the Ryan plan, the higher premium will be covered by the beneficiaries themselves. The personal account Cain talked about is not in itself the "premium support" plan.
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It sounds like you have this all figured out so tell me what is the "correct" answer you are looking for a presidential candidate to give?
 
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