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Jetboogieman said:
You're trying to build a mountain out of a molehill.

I thought the mantra was "If you fail it's your own fault".

I guess for you whenever a conservative politician gets hammed in the press for doing something dumb it's "THE LIBERAL MEDIA'S FAULT".
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If you fail, it is your own fault in most cases, but we're just pointing out that the big media outlets have an agenda.

I think and have heard that liberal media wants Romney and tries to criticize anyone else who has a chance. They want Republicans to be forced to accept Romney, instead of them being convinced by Romney.

The politics of the race had prevented many good candidates from joining, because they may get the whole media against them.
 
Camlon said:
It seems like the media has been able to destroy the whole Republican field. Although he is a terrible candidate, I think Mitt Romney will win the nomination. If he does, I hope Obama wins.

Not because I think Obama is a great President. But because Mitt Romney is going to get unpopular really fast. He will help Democrats win the 2014 Congress, then he will be forced to take many unpopular choices, and lose the election to 2016. That is probably great news for Democrats, but for anyone who is conservative, think again.

Herman Cain:
He was doing quite well, but got a lot of baggage on the way. The accusations (probably false, some evidence here and here) will probably destroy him I think. In media, you are guilty before proven innocent and Herman Cain has no possibility to prove he is innocent and he wasn't prepared, but even if he was prepared it would still destroy him.

I know there is a lot of sources fighting against Herman Cain. I know liberals are fighting against him, because they want to keep telling the Tea Party is racist, and they are also afraid of his economic policies. The right wing establishment are afraid of any far right candidate, because they think it will turn voters off the Republican Party. Read this article in the economist The Republicans: A dangerous game | The Economist

The media tried to destroy him first by negative campaigning, but they had problems because they have a hard time understanding the average republican voter, who do not trust Romney. In the end they made up some accusations that will probably destroy him.

Rick Perry
He is a total disaster. Even when he is not in the top of the polls, we find more about him. Not only his political opinions on immigration, his lack of public appeal, his lack of intelligence, and his lack of debate skills. The Worst is his corruption. He seems to accept anything for the lowest bidder. No chance!

Mitt Romney:
The Republican establishment wants him, but liberals also want him. Not because they think he will be a great President. I have already told why the establishment want him. They think he will hurt the Republican Party the least. The Liberals want him, because he will be a weak President that may secure them victory in Congress in 2014, and elections in 2016 if he ever wins.

However, his baggage is horrible and his opinions are not much better. He wants a trade war with China. That is stupider than most of Bachmanns opinions. Although, kept hidden in the media, his plan gives huge tax cuts for the rich. He wants to remove the estate tax and give reductions in capital gains. Although the capital gains tax reduction is good, it is still a tax cut for the rich, which have to be compensated with a tax increase on everyone else. The reason he is not destroyed is because both right wing and left wing media supports him.

He also got the problem with hiring illegal immigrants, which not only shows he is hypocritical on immigration, but that he is part of the rich elite. That will come up much more during the general election. His Ponzi scheme won't help him, and his flip flopping is disastrous.

Ron Paul
There are big tides against Ron Paul as well. If he is ever close to winning the nomination, then he will be destroyed, because the media doesn't want him. If you think a sexual allegation against Cain is bad. What about Ron Paul. He will become the creepy old man. Not good.

However, he can still be the Republican party savior. If he runs as an independent, then he can take a lot of voters away from Mitt Romney, and show that Republican party do not want the corrupt Republican establishment.

John Huntsman
If there is not sizable hidden baggage. He is clearly the best candidate. Moderate intelligent Republicans love him. Liberals tolerate him. He is no symbol of corporations like Mitt Romney is. He is also much more inteligent, he has an ideological fundement, and actually do believe most of what he is saying. Candidates like John Huntsman can make Republicans popular again, and he will crush Obama.

Problem is, he only get 1-2% at the polls. Maybe that can change if people think he is a viable candidate?

Agree, disagree? Please tell me your opinions.
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I don't know much about the others, but I think Huntsman is the best. Acceptable to both the left, the center, and the right, with no significant baggage, a very clean-cut person. Intelligent, a moderate conservative, and he also identifies closely with me (fiscal conservative, social liberal), so out of all the others, I'd vote for him (if I could)

However, the downside is that the Tea Party and the far right won't support him, and he has no support or money now. That could change however
 
Jetboogieman said:
You're trying to build a mountain out of a molehill.

I thought the mantra was "If you fail it's your own fault".

I guess for you whenever a conservative politician gets hammed in the press for doing something dumb it's "THE LIBERAL MEDIA'S FAULT".
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when a candidate does something dumb, he's done something dumb. that's his fault. when the media creates crap out of nothingness in order to attack conservatives (Sarah Palin's district crosshairs are responsible for a psycho obsessed with the meaning of words shooting a congresswoman? really?) or colludes to unjustly attack conservatives (it's racist to point out that Obama spent 20 years studying under a man who is, by all modern measures, a nutjob? really?), then that is their fault.

there is a reason that conservatives tend to give credence to the assumption that an attack on a conservative minority is going to be particularly vicious and then given an echo chamber in the mainstream media irrespective of whether or not there is sufficient evidence for it - and that reason is because we have seen it before.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
To a certain extent they do.

But that's what happens when Media outlets are owned by mega corporations and have intrenched ties with powerful political parties.

The GOP establishment wants Romney.

The Tea Party and disgruntled Republicans want Cain.

There is a battle within the Republican party that could get extremely ugly and could ultimately lead to defeat. When the Conservative right in Canada split, Liberals held Canada at the federal level for over a decade. And on a sidenote produced 7 straight consecutive budget surpluses in a row.
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I think the establishment are being idiots or just corrupt. They are forcing their voters to accept Romney and turn the voters against them. If Romney is the nominee and he get crushed in November, how willing do they think the voters are going to be in 2016? They are going to nominate someone like Sarah Palin.

There are politicians out there who has the same opinions as Romney pretends to have, but haven't flip flopped on all the issues, but they don't want to run, because of the media pressure. Republicans needs to get more organized, get more control over the media, and make their race less dirty. Or else good candidates are going to stay away.

Another problem for the Republicans are the division of the country and fanatics. US have moved left, especially socially. Republicans have responded by moving right. Americans have also starting to believe in all kinds of conspiracy theories, both on the left and the right. This makes it much more difficult for a moderate intelligent Republican to win the nomination.

BTW: This is a problem for Democrats as well. Many in the Democratic party wants an anti-establishment candidate as well. The democratic nomination in 2016 is going to be interesting.
 
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Redress said:
LoLz at the whole media conspiracy crap.
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This.

We've just got to get our Presidential Hopefuls before they've made asses out of themselves. Maybe we should lower the age to 24.
 
Camlon said:
If you fail, it is your own fault in most cases, but we're just pointing out that the big media outlets have an agenda.

I think and have heard that liberal media wants Romney and tries to criticize anyone else who has a chance. They want Republicans to be forced to accept Romney, instead of them being convinced by Romney.

The politics of the race had prevented many good candidates from joining, because they may get the whole media against them.
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what agenda does GE, Time Warner and Disney have?
 
... you're going to argue that G.E. doesn't have a political agenda?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
what agenda does GE, Time Warner and Disney have?
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First, they are not really news media.

Secondly, if they have any agenda, I don't know what that agenda is. I don't know everything, and I don't know which agenda most news stations have. Some of the ones pretending to be conservative may be pushing the liberal agenda, and some of the ones pretending to be liberal may be pushing for the conservative agenda.

Without very specific knowledge, it is impossible to know.
 
cpwill said:
... you're going to argue that G.E. doesn't have a political agenda?
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Nope they certainly do have an agenda...never to pay any taxs and they are quite successful
 
cpwill said:
... you're going to argue that G.E. doesn't have a political agenda?
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Not at all

I just want to know what agenda a very large multinational corporation with a wide variety of business units would be (nuclear power, coal power, finance, military, medical) would be

For some reason I doubt GE is a liberal corporation pushing for public health care, antiwar, increased taxes and the like
 
Camlon said:
First, they are not really news media.

Secondly, if they have any agenda, I don't know what that agenda is. I don't know everything, and I don't know which agenda most news stations have. Some of the ones pretending to be conservative may be pushing the liberal agenda, and some of the ones pretending to be liberal may be pushing for the conservative agenda.

Without very specific knowledge, it is impossible to know.
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They are the owners of news media, the largest owners of the news media outside of News Corp (ie Fox). We know that News Corp has an agenda based on the politics and desires of its controlling shareholder

I would like to know what agenda GE, Time Warner and Disney are putting on its news media operations
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Not at all

I just want to know what agenda a very large multinational corporation with a wide variety of business units would be (nuclear power, coal power, finance, military, medical) would be

For some reason I doubt GE is a liberal corporation pushing for public health care, antiwar, increased taxes and the like
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that's right. they are a pro-corporatism force for Green Funding, "stimulus" spending, and increased regulation that their lobbyists get to write.
 
Redress said:
LoLz at the whole media conspiracy crap.
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It more like media malfeasance, journalist ineptness, making up stories, filling in the blanks with opinions etc. It's not a conspiracy and then again it not journalism either, it's what we have come to expect from our media..B/S reporting. That said this is what the American public wants, we rather have dirty laundry than debate on the actual issues that will have a great effect on our country after all is rather dull to most.
 
Camlon said:
Are you really denying that media is not helping the candidate they prefer?
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This does happen. A lot. Not just on the conservative side. They marginalize candidates all the time.
 
It's really pathetic that the media has any influence whatsoever over someone's choice of who to support for president, or any other political candidate for that matter.

Among the informed, the jig is up for all mass media. You can't really take anything seriously that is reported in the media, they're simply publicity whores looking for sensationalism and will use any level of dishonesty or demagoguery to achieve that purpose. As for their personal political leanings, who gives a damn? Quite honestly their endorsement or approval of a candidate is a negative for me.

Mitt-for-brains will be your typical, run-of-the-mill candidate. The dire situation we're in calls for something better. But we probably won't get it until the country collapses into the idiocracy that it has almost become.
 
Redress said:
Which would be stupid. Since democrats are so smart we control all the media, why would you then assume we are stupid?
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Because for "lean" you have "very liberal?"
 
Well, first, what's their pension?

Members of Congress are eligible for a pension at age 62 if they have completed at least five years of service. They are eligible for a pension at age 50 if they have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of service. The amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary. By law, the starting amount of a member’s retirement annuity may not exceed 80 percent of his or her final salary.
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FactCheck.org : Congressional Pensions

Their pensions are probably no more generous than a school teacher's or a copper's. Fix 'em all, I'd say. The public sector so outdoes the private sector as to be ludicrous. All of 'em. But 'til we fix 'em all, why single out congressmen??

PS--I advocate term limits so a hefty pension, if I were in charge, wouldn't be happening anyway. (But we'll probably never see term limits, unfortunately).
 
poweRob said:
It's kind of tough to take your point of others' bias seriously when you quote a piece written by Jonah Goldberg. The partisan hack who wrote "Liberal Fascism."

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It's only bias when liberals do it. Didn't you know that?

What makes this whole thing really stupid: we are talking republican primaries. Most republicans get their news from FOX news. And yet the liberal media is destroying candidates.
 
Redress said:
It's only bias when liberals do it. Didn't you know that?

What makes this whole thing really stupid: we are talking republican primaries. Most republicans get their news from FOX news. And yet the liberal media is destroying candidates.
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You think Republicans only get their news from fox news?
 
I would have to go with John Huntsman. If y'll nominate him, he might have my vote. He has been on the back burner so long though I really don't know what he stands for. He gets like 2 questions per debate. Oh well, I guess time will tell.
 
Camlon said:
You think Republicans only get their news from fox news?
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You might want to read my post again. Note the lack of the word "only".
 
Redress said:
You might want to read my post again. Note the lack of the word "only".
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You said that liberal media isn't destroying any candidates, because they watch Fox News. For your arguments to make any sense, they only have to watch Fox News, which you now admit they do not.
 
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