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Perry opposes Confederate license plates in Texas

apdst said:
By that logic, so is the United States flag.
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I was going to mention the history behind the US flag, but why bother?
 
apdst said:
By that logic, so is the United States flag.
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Maybe to brits but not to americans. To americans only the confederate flag is a sign of rebellion.
 
99percenter said:
Maybe to brits but not to americans. To americans only the confederate flag is a sign of rebellion.
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The Confederates didn't, "rebel". They seceeded. But, don't worry, I'm not going to confuse you with the facts.
 
apdst said:
The Confederates didn't, "rebel". They seceeded. But, don't worry, I'm not going to confuse you with the facts.
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The fact is the states cannot secede. Our constitution doesn't allow it. No one in the world recognized the CSA. It was a rebellion. An insurgency in our own country.
 
99percenter said:
The fact is the states cannot secede. Our constitution doesn't allow it. No one in the world recognized the CSA. It was a rebellion. An insurgency in our own country.
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That's irrelevant. The fact is, the Confederates never had any intention of replacing the United States government; therefore, they didn't rebel.
 
apdst said:
That's irrelevant. The fact is, the Confederates never had any intention of replacing the United States government; therefore, they didn't rebel.
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I'm sorry, are you suggesting that CSA were not "rebels"?????????

there was no rebellion against the Federal govt.????
 
Thunder said:
I'm sorry, are you suggesting that CSA were not "rebels"?????????

there was no rebellion against the Federal govt.????
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No, they weren't and no, there wasn't. I'll say it again: At no time did the Confederates intend to overthrow, upset, overturn, replace, destroy, or abolish the United States government.

Rebellion, uprising or insurrection, is a refusal of obedience or order. It may, therefore, be seen as encompassing a range of behaviors aimed at destroying or replacing an established authority such as a government or a head of state.

Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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apdst said:
No, they weren't and no, there wasn't. I'll say it again: At no time did the Confederates intend to overthrow, upset, overturn, replace, destroy, or abolish the United States government.
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they sought to depose, remove, and replace the Federal govt. in the southern states.

so yes, it was very much a rebellion.
 
Thunder said:
they sought to depose, remove, and replace the Federal govt. in the southern states.

so yes, it was very much a rebellion.
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No, they didn't. They sought to seceed from the United States and form their own government.
 
apdst said:
No, they weren't and no, there wasn't. I'll say it again: At no time did the Confederates intend to overthrow, upset, overturn, replace, destroy, or abolish the United States government.
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Your definition fits what the south did. They were trying to replace the fed govt's authority over them. Lets not play semantics here. It is not a winning proposition for you.
 
danarhea said:
To be honest, the issue of Confederate flags on license plates in Texas is an extremely controversial one. Some might call this a flip-flop on Perry's part, but I don't think so. I believe it's an honest change of mind. It happens to all of us. I have changed my mind on issues over the years, so I am not going to be a hypocrite and fault Perry for it. Also, for the record, although Perry has supported the Confederate flag in the past, he is not a racist, as some people like to claim. Most who support the Confederate flag are not racists either. As much as I dislike Perry, I am not going to go down THAT road. Whatever Perry may be (and I have called him a lot of things - LOL), a racist he is not.

Article is here.
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I think he is pulling a Mitt Romney. In other words he only believes that way because he wants to be president. If he was not running for president then he would not have a problem with confederate plates.


I believe that the only flag an American should be flying is the American flag, so that is my only issue with the confederate flag. I do not believe it is a symbol of racism,slavery, red neckism or Hillbillyism.
 
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Thunder said:
so you are just stating your own ignorant opinion?

that's fine.
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At least I know the difference between, "seccesion", and, "rebellion".
 
apdst said:
No, they didn't. They sought to seceed from the United States and form their own government.
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That is rebelling. By your own definition. Not even the southerners disagree with that assessment.
 
Thunder said:
oh, they didn't seek to remove Federal authority from the southern states?

you are lying.
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You're going to have to stop with, "liar-liar-pants-on-fire", bull****. There's a very, very slim chance that I'm wrong, but I'm not lying.

I would ask you ro prove me wrong by producing primary source documentation proving that the Confederates intended to replace the government in Washington, but, I already know it doesn't exist.
 
Thunder said:
no, you clearly do not.

the South rebelled against Federal control & authority.
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No, they seceeded in response to Federal control and authority.
 
99percenter said:
The fact is the states cannot secede. Our constitution doesn't allow it. No one in the world recognized the CSA. It was a rebellion. An insurgency in our own country.
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Our Constitution was created to limit FEDERAL power. I wasn't aware there was anything in the constitution at the time that forbade secession? therefore the decision to secede would pass to the individual states, according to our Constitution. The south had every right to secede, regardless of whether or not you agree with the reasons for doing so.

I would love to give Perry the benefit of the doubt on this, but it is a little to close to election for me to believe this was a legitimate change of mind. especially for someone who has, in the past, defended the flag fairly vehemently.
 
99percenter said:
That is rebelling. By your own definition. Not even the southerners disagree with that assessment.
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Anyone--north, or south--that doesn't disagree doesn't know jack **** about the history of the period.
 
apdst said:
You're going to have to stop with, "liar-liar-pants-on-fire", bull****. There's a very, very slim chance that I'm wrong, but I'm not lying.

I would ask you ro prove me wrong by producing primary source documentation proving that the Confederates intended to replace the government in Washington,....
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they sought to replace the Federal govt. in the South, and they did this.

they kicked out anyone who stayed loyal to the United States of America.

any suggestion that the Civil War was not a rebellion against Federal authority, is a lie.
 
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