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Hillary obliterates GOP field

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I have to admit Ive never been a Hillary supporter...but she has shown a level of competence on the world stage that has surprised me.
Hillary would have been a far better president than obama...and I believe she would have handled our problems in a much different way and we wouldnt have the level of animosity permeating DC that we have now.
Would the economy be any better with hillary...who knows...
 
Hillary always gets the sympathy vote. But by the time 2016 rolls around, she will be past her prime and out of politics.
 
lpast said:
I have to admit Ive never been a Hillary supporter...but she has shown a level of competence on the world stage that has surprised me.
Hillary would have been a far better president than obama...and I believe she would have handled our problems in a much different way and we wouldnt have the level of animosity permeating DC that we have now.
Would the economy be any better with hillary...who knows...
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It's very hard to say. She has certainly been fairly invisible in her present role. Compare the amount of press Condoleeza Rice got, and the number of times we heard her speak, to Hillary.

I disagree that there would have been less partisan rancor with Hillary. The right was absolutely venemous towards her when BC was in the WH, and when she was a legitimate candidate.
 
AdamT said:
According to a recent poll, Hillary would woop Romney by 17% and she would beat Cain and Perry by 22% and 26% respectively.

Hillary Clinton Fares Better Than Obama In Matchups Against GOP Frontrunners: Poll

Of course it's sort of like speculating about Christie, because Hillary ain't running. It's also a bit like Perry and Cain -- the grass is always greener effect.
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Thunder said:
...interesting
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Very...

Makes you wonder if Pres. Obama would give stronge consideration to changing his 2012 VP running mate. I doubt he would since he's already said publically Biden's his guy, and Hillary has said on numerous occasions she's not running for President in 2012. Still...

Very interesting numbers indeed especially when you consider that this was the ticket most liberal voters wanted in 2008.
 
lpast said:
I have to admit Ive never been a Hillary supporter...but she has shown a level of competence on the world stage that has surprised me.
Hillary would have been a far better president than obama...and I believe she would have handled our problems in a much different way and we wouldnt have the level of animosity permeating DC that we have now.
Would the economy be any better with hillary...who knows...
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You like powerful women, eh?
 
I wish Obama would step back and be the VP to Hillary, but it won't happen. Also wish Obama would jettison Biden. Biden as the VP has a similar effect to having Palin as the VP. Had Obama not been a young, healthy man, I would have thought long and hard about voting for him with Biden in the VP slot.
 
Rofl...

...this thread is getting better and better.
 
lpast said:
I have to admit Ive never been a Hillary supporter...but she has shown a level of competence on the world stage that has surprised me.
Hillary would have been a far better president than obama...and I believe she would have handled our problems in a much different way and we wouldn't have the level of animosity permeating DC that we have now. Would the economy be any better with hillary...who knows...
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I disagree with your statement in bold. Hillary still lacked foreign policy experience, but now that she's been Secretary of State she's grown by leaps and bounds above all but one person in helping to shape foreign policy - the President himself. Would she make a formidable opponent to Pres. Obama for 2012? Absolutely! But to my knowledge, no party has ever put forward a challenger candidate from within their own party to go up against their own incumbant.

As for the state of the economy if Hillary were President and not Obama, I doubt it. The GOP didn't like her as FLOTUS nor did they appreciate it when she became a NY Senator. Now that she's in what many consider to be the 3rd ranking most poweful position behind the President himself (VP would be 2nd), she's even more of a threat to the GOP.

I make these assessment to illustrate this point: The GOP would attack Hillary just as venomously as they're attacking Obama and would have attempted to thrawt her every move just as they're attempting to do with Obama. There really wouldn't have been much of a difference in the economy regardless of which Democrat was in the White House under the current political climate.
 
Other than rabid partisans, the vast majority of Americans remember have very fond memories of the Clinton years, so this is not surprising at all.
 
A poll such as this is for entertainment purposes only, it's meaningless. The comparison is apples and oranges; Hillary has never been President and never will.
 
In a primary, Hillary would smack the living **** out of Barack. I'd pay to see it.
 
Well, sucks for the left that you are stuck with Obama. :lol:
 
American said:
In a primary, Hillary would smack the living **** out of Barack. I'd pay to see it.
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I am sure you would like to see it, because it would hurt the Democratic candidate.
 
American said:
In a primary, Hillary would smack the living **** out of Barack. I'd pay to see it.
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Evidently you are only 3 years old as there was a primary in 2007 and 2008, and Hillary did not "smack the living **** out of Barack".
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Evidently you are only 3 years old as there was a primary in 2007 and 2008, and Hillary did not "smack the living **** out of Barack".
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People are no longer marvelling at Obama, now everyone knows the warts on both of them. It's now a level playing field.
 
American said:
People are no longer marvelling at Obama, now everyone knows the warts on both of them. It's now a level playing field.
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On a level playing field, Barack Obama would have been a nobody from Chicago, and never would have made it past Iowa.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
On a level playing field, Barack Obama would have been a nobody from Chicago, and never would have made it past Iowa.
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How do you figure that? Hillary had the advantage in the 2008 primaries, it was a very close race between her and Obama back in 2007 - 2008. Obama simply out campaigned her at the time. I have no doubt in my mind that the hard core right wingers would have hated Hillary had she been elected every bit as much as they hate Obama. One only has to look back to the 90s to see that. Back when Clinton was in office by every single economic measure the country was in the best shape it had ever been in, he had the highest approval ratings of any president since FDR, yet the right wingers were accusing him and Hillary of being murderers, coke dealers, selling plots at the national cemetery, and all kinds of other nut job conspiracy theories. In many ways Obama has had it easy compared to how rabid the right wing was with the Clintons back in the 90s.
 
I have to agree with those posts I LIKED. How incredible that some here are overlooking the vitriol Hillary endured since 1992, beginning with HillaryCare. The right wing pundits and radio personalities have been hammering away on her for decades. Sean Hannity used to issue this plea for years leading up to her loss of the nomination in 2008, "Let us please not wake up to find President Hillary Clinton". How anyone could say with a straight face that "we wouldn't have this level of animosity" is to utterly blank from one's mind the years of hateful, disgusting rhetoric directed at Hillary since she was First Lady.
 
I was on record here months ago stating that the strongest possibility for a Democratic win in 2012 was for Obama to announce he is NOT running and to have Clinton step in. This only confirms my assessment of that situation. Of course, that is NOT going to happen now.

But it should.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
How do you figure that? Hillary had the advantage in the 2008 primaries, it was a very close race between her and Obama back in 2007 - 2008. Obama simply out campaigned her at the time. I have no doubt in my mind that the hard core right wingers would have hated Hillary had she been elected every bit as much as they hate Obama. One only has to look back to the 90s to see that. Back when Clinton was in office by every single economic measure the country was in the best shape it had ever been in, he had the highest approval ratings of any president since FDR, yet the right wingers were accusing him and Hillary of being murderers, coke dealers, selling plots at the national cemetery, and all kinds of other nut job conspiracy theories. In many ways Obama has had it easy compared to how rabid the right wing was with the Clintons back in the 90s.
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Ummm, because the media pumped Obama up on a pedestal? Hillary was pretty much the inevitable nominee untill iowa.
 
Gina said:
I have to agree with those posts I LIKED. How incredible that some here are overlooking the vitriol Hillary endured since 1992, beginning with HillaryCare. The right wing pundits and radio personalities have been hammering away on her for decades. Sean Hannity used to issue this plea for years leading up to her loss of the nomination in 2008, "Let us please not wake up to find President Hillary Clinton". How anyone could say with a straight face that "we wouldn't have this level of animosity" is to utterly blank from one's mind the years of hateful, disgusting rhetoric directed at Hillary since she was First Lady.
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I didn't say THAT. In fact, the opposite because there wasn't an even playing field. I just said Hillary would have won. Soo...
 
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lpast said:
I have to admit Ive never been a Hillary supporter...but she has shown a level of competence on the world stage that has surprised me.
Hillary would have been a far better president than obama...and I believe she would have handled our problems in a much different way and we wouldnt have the level of animosity permeating DC that we have now.
Would the economy be any better with hillary...who knows...
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of course we would have animosity, probably at a GREATER level. now, that animosity we saw building in the clinton years will never go away. people are forever polarized.
 
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