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Ron Paul proposes saving $1T by scrapping five federal departments

Gina said:
Let's move on to NIST. Little considered, eliminating it would effect all of us. For instance, would that gallon of gas, @ $3.81 per, still remain a full gallon?
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Yes it would. The forces of the free market will compel vendors to assure their measurements correct else risk a reduction in revenue based on the reduction of consumer confidence. What makes NIST APPEAR valuable is the complacency of consumers...we just take for granted that the responsibility for 'getting what we pay for' is ours. Do you check the egg carton at the grocery to ensure there are no broken ones? Why do you do this? Should there be a government agency formed to ensure that you do not purchase 11 eggs because one is cracked?
 
American said:
You should be glad to know that you and none of your family will be affected by any of this.
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The hell it is... it is very much effected by it all. The US is still the engine of the global economy so any political and economic cluster**** in the US impacts me just as much as anyone else in the world.

Frankly we don't mind, because education standards have been dropping anyway, so the department is useless.
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So because crime is up that means the police are useless? Because half of Texas is ablaze then pumping money into fighting fires is useless? And the reason education standards have been dropping is because of the political cluster**** the US has been in for a long time.. almost makes Italy look like a bastion of democracy.

HUD isn't doing anything that couldn't be done at the state level.
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So putting even more cost on states is some how a good thing? The very same states that fought tooth an nail to keep segregation? The same states that have politicians that want to ban books, force rape victims to carry their baby and want to outlaw homosexuality if they could get away with it? Those states? I could imagine the homeless rate and ghettos if HUD was not around.. would make a Mexican slum look like Beverly Hills.

Funny, I don't hear you bitching about NASA putting $19M into a space toilet for the ISS.

$19 million funneled into space toilet - Technology & science - Space - Human spaceflight - msnbc.com
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Because I have never seen of the story before. But saying that yes 19 million sounds over the top, but regardless a zero G toilet will cost money to develop.. and the US tax paper aint paying the full 19 million.. it is after all a joint venture with a lot of countries.. so fail on that account. You cant just slap a 100 dollar toilet up in zero G.. you can do it in a nuclear sub...

I'd appreciate it if future Spanish astronauts would kindly hold it in for the duration of the mission.
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I aint Spanish.. so...

As for your last comment, please read the Constitution.
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LOL that is your answer for everything aint it? Where does it state in the Constitution that the Federals cant hire private contractors to protect US interests? They do it daily after all...
 
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PeteEU said:
LOL that is your answer for everything aint it? Where does it state in the Constitution that the Federals cant hire private contractors to protect US interests? They do it daily after all...
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Actually the US Constitution DOES provide a definitive list of the activities and expenses which are within the power of the US Congress. They're laid out in Article I, Sections 8 & 9 and in the 10th Amendment. Just because Abraham Lincoln decided to use the document as his personal toilet paper in the White House Outhouse doesn't mean that we should accept those changes now.
 
Gina said:
Sorry, departments, not branches.

Again, smarter is better, but wholesale shuttering is not the answer. I disagree with eliminating the DOT. Safety is my primary concern, again.
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that doesn't get cut, I think it get's a boost in budget actually.

Here is the pdf file. http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf

also dept of education

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StillBallin75 said:
but wait...if he abolishes the Department of Commerce

Where will Conservative and the rest of us get our bls.gov and bea.gov numbers????
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Not an issue. He will just continue to robo-post the same tired data he got the one and only time he was there.
 
Dickieboy said:
Yes it would. The forces of the free market will compel vendors to assure their measurements correct else risk a reduction in revenue based on the reduction of consumer confidence.
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After the fact. First, a customer must be cheated in order to decide not to patronize that vendor.



Do you check the egg carton at the grocery to ensure there are no broken ones? Why do you do this? Should there be a government agency formed to ensure that you do not purchase 11 eggs because one is cracked?
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Comparing eggs to gasoline is useless. The number or eggs in a carton are easily verifiable. Are we supposed to go to the gas station with a gallon jug to ensure the gallon on the meter is what we received?
 
look at that ticker go!

Should we hold a celebration when it gets to 15 tril? Our total debt is 54 tril ftw!

 
Tigger said:
Actually the US Constitution DOES provide a definitive list of the activities and expenses which are within the power of the US Congress. They're laid out in Article I, Sections 8 & 9 and in the 10th Amendment. Just because Abraham Lincoln decided to use the document as his personal toilet paper in the White House Outhouse doesn't mean that we should accept those changes now.
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Its a good thing we have a US SUpreme Court to interpret those for us. So now nobody has to argue about what powers and functions the government has. Unless of course they want to place themselves in a superior position over the Supreme Court and wallow in the fantastical delusion that they are that authority.
 
Gina said:
After the fact. First, a customer must be cheated in order to decide not to patronize that vendor.

Comparing eggs to gasoline is useless. The number or eggs in a carton are easily verifiable. Are we supposed to go to the gas station with a gallon jug to ensure the gallon on the meter is what we received?
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Maybe so but isn't true? Are you under the assumption that 'cheating' would be rampant? Ultimately who is responsible? The seller? The buyer? What is 'personal responsibility' on EITHER end? What is trust? No you don't need to take a gallon jug as SOMEONE will and verify the source. If they are cheating the public will know and it will either stop or they will go out of business via protests...like Wall Street but on a much smaller and ACHIEVABLE scale.
 
jasonxe said:
that doesn't get cut, I think it get's a boost in budget actually.

Here is the pdf file. http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf

also dept of education

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I'm not loading whatever that .pdf is. It asks for an agreement.

As far as what you replied with, how does that address my post? I was discussing DOT, not the department of education and their budget. As far as costs rising though, check the years. Post "No Child Left Behind". A travesty of an education policy, now discontinued.
 
haymarket said:
I have little doubt that the Libertarian Party would feel right at home with a Las Vegas con man and entertainer at the head of their ticket. And Root and the Libs can sruggle mightilly towards breaking tht one-half of one percent of the national popular vote threshold.

Or, it Romney is the GOP nominee, they can go with Paul providing he gives up his run at another House seat and actually getsome real attention. I suspect with Paul at the top of the ticket the Libertarian Party can actually flirt with a full one percent of the national vote. That would be tremendous progress.
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Typing with your left hand again??? Lets start again, shall we?

Funny...you were just a minute ago mentioning that Paul SHOULD run on the Libertarian ticket as an honorable thing and seconds later show your true disdain for libertarians. Oh...I know...you dont like Libertarians and are MUCH more comfortable with democrats. No crooks in THAT bunch, huh? :lamo
 
Dickieboy said:
Maybe so but isn't true? Are you under the assumption that 'cheating' would be rampant? Ultimately who is responsible? The seller? The buyer? What is 'personal responsibility' on EITHER end? What is trust? No you don't need to take a gallon jug as SOMEONE will and verify the source. If they are cheating the public will know and it will either stop or they will go out of business via protests...like Wall Street but on a much smaller and ACHIEVABLE scale.
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How will the public know cheating is occurring? Who is that someone that will verify and how does that work as part of your point as to "personal responsibility"?

As I see it now, we have that someone already. There is no reason to get rid of a system that is already in place and working quite well.
 
PeteEU said:
utter lie

it is 14.8 trillion.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
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What did they bump the cap to? Huh... point 7 trillion off...IF there is an actual accounting of debt...which many believe actual debt to be considerably higher. What did they raise the cap to? Why again? Oh yes...because they know they are already there. But...sure...stick with that 14.8 trillion. TODAY. Does THAT REALLY make you feel better? Just go kick your grandbaby already OK? They are going to have to pay for it...you might as well start breaking them in.

Oh...wait...you are the EURO Pete...yeah...you guys are doing great yourself huh? :lamo
 
Gina said:
I'm not loading whatever that .pdf is. It asks for an agreement.

As far as what you replied with, how does that address my post? I was discussing DOT, not the department of education and their budget. As far as costs rising though, check the years. Post "No Child Left Behind". A travesty of an education policy, now discontinued.
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Was addressing someone else with the graph, to lazy to quote :D.

Are you gonna really make me take a snippet of the DoT part?
 
Gina said:
How will the public know cheating is occurring? Who is that someone that will verify and how does that work as part of your point as to "personal responsibility"?.
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It could be you it could be me...whoever is 'feeling less trusting'. Once cheating is vetted out merchants will either PROMPTLY adjust to conform or GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

As I see it now, we have that someone already. There is no reason to get rid of a system that is already in place and working quite well.
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Yes, but we are paying for this 'someone's service', even those who don't utilize the service. Remember Paul's goal is to cut spending. Like it or not this will put burden back on us.
 
Gina said:
Sorry, departments, not branches.

Again, smarter is better, but wholesale shuttering is not the answer. I disagree with eliminating the DOT. Safety is my primary concern, again.



PHMSA - About the Agency

As these products are transported over state lines, there has to be uniformity in standards of transport. Left to the states, there would be a race to the bottom in standards pushed by lobbyists in petro-chemical industries. One state's minimal regulations could easily endanger the citizens of another state.

Comb through each department and examine where redundancies and waste occur. Cut or consolidate accordingly.
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I believe we could work out those cuts...but that has to be the agreed upon attitude, not just "wait...we CANT cut programs!" We CAN. We HAVE to. Its just not sustainable.
 
Dickieboy said:
It could be you it could be me...whoever is 'feeling less trusting'. Once cheating is vetted out merchants will either PROMPTLY adjust to conform or GO OUT OF BUSINESS.



Yes, but we are paying for this 'someone's service', even those who don't utilize the service. Remember Paul's goal is to cut spending. Like it or not this will put burden back on us.
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But why do we first have to experience being cheated?

What of the vendor who is unfairly accused of cheating his customers?

We have a system in place now, that assures us we are getting what we paid for and protects a vendor from accusations of cheating. There is no sane logical reason to end that.

Everyone uses this service. Everyone. Buying milk, gasoline, fruit and vegetables, meat and all packaged goods.

As I explained in another post, a manufacturer must be assured of weights and measures in the process of making goods. For instance, a company running an autoclave needs to be certain a part is cured for so long at a particular temperature. The equipment used to assure this must be tested and certified the time and temperature were within specs. If not, the product could fail, causing injury or the autoclave could also malfunction and cause injury to the operator.

Safety and quality assurance is worth paying for because it is a service we all use for the benefit of society and the individual.
 
VanceMack said:
I believe we could work out those cuts...but that has to be the agreed upon attitude, not just "wait...we CANT cut programs!" We CAN. We HAVE to. Its just not sustainable.
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You get no argument out of me. Cuts in and realignment of individual programs fine, but wholesale abandonment as Paul suggested? No.
 
Gina said:
You get no argument out of me. Cuts in and realignment of individual programs fine, but wholesale abandonment as Paul suggested? No.
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I highly doubt he is suggesting we walk in the day after the inauguration and start passing out pink slips. He is a career poltiician. He understands how it works. He is expressing departments that can and many believe should be cut. That doesnt mean with a monster fed there wouldnt be realignment. If it WERE his intent to just advance blanket cuts, then I would be right there with you.
 
VanceMack said:
I highly doubt he is suggesting we walk in the day after the inauguration and start passing out pink slips. He is a career poltiician. He understands how it works. He is expressing departments that can and many believe should be cut. That doesnt mean with a monster fed there wouldnt be realignment. If it WERE his intent to just advance blanket cuts, then I would be right there with you.
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Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul on Monday unveiled a plan to cut $1 trillion from the federal budget within one year by eliminating a handful of federal departments, including the Energy and Education departments.
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That's from the linked article.
 
Gina;' said:
As I explained in another post, a manufacturer must be assured of weights and measures in the process of making goods. For instance, a company running an autoclave needs to be certain a part is cured for so long at a particular temperature. The equipment used to assure this must be tested and certified the time and temperature were within specs. If not, the product could fail, causing injury or the autoclave could also malfunction and cause injury to the operator.

Safety and quality assurance is worth paying for because it is a service we all use for the benefit of society and the individual.
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But why must the government do it? There are many instances in industry weights/measures are performed by independent companies. What would make them less accurate? What would make you trust the governement to perform these duties over an independent entity? Corruption?
 
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