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Bachmann Calls for Higher Taxes

Hatuey said:
A failure.



Government spending actually grew under Reagan.

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Yes, yes and what?



The most retarded thing I've heard in my entire life. Government regulation? Good thing. It's the reason we're not China.



That's not Reaganomics? Lol.



So you're quoting the pro-Reaganomics Libertarian Cato Institute? Now I'm convinced. Look, you're way out of your league on this issue.
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I initially responded on this thread because Sangha bashed Bachmann for endorsing Reagan's tax policies....during his term, 15 million jobs were produced...5 million his first four years; 10 million his second. And we, today, clap our hands when Obama, thru January, has lost 2.4 million during his presidency...so far.

Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not defending Reaganomics except for the jobs it created. But Bachmann is not dumber a box of rocks for looking at it.
 
MaggieD said:
I'm not defending Reaganomics except for the jobs it created. But Bachmann is not dumber a box of rocks for looking at it.
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I don't think you could have retreated from your initial argument any faster. You started out defending Bachmanns desire to adopt Reagan tax rates, and now you've retreated to "defending Reagonomics" because of "the jobs it created"

Hilariously, you did as poor a job of reading the table at your link as you did reading Bachmanns' statement. The table shows that Reagans job creation rate (increases of 1.5% and 2.7%) was lower than every 20th century Dem president going back to the Great Depression. IOW, Reagans record was miserable
 
MaggieD said:
Let's ask the 47% of income tax filers who don't pay any taxes what they think. They want to tax "the rich." Not themselves. As I said, the vast VAST majority want to pay less. Those rich you're talking about? The ones they want to tax? That's less than 3% of filers.
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and under Reagan they paid an income tax-rate of 50%. I support Bachmann's tax plan.

:)
 
MaggieD said:
Let's ask the 47% of income tax filers who don't pay any taxes what they think. They want to tax "the rich." Not themselves. As I said, the vast VAST majority want to pay less. Those rich you're talking about? The ones they want to tax? That's less than 3% of filers.
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And now MaggieD retreats from her claim that most people want to cut taxes, and tries to change her argument to "most people want to cut their own taxes" :lamo

Maggies arguments are so inane, that even she won't stick to them
 
MaggieD said:
Reaganomics:

1.Reduce Growth of Government spending. (OMG!!! What a horrible thing!!!)
2.Reduce Income Tax and Capital Gains Tax. (OMG!!! What a horrible thing!!!)
3.Reduce Government regulation. (OMG!!! What a horrible thing!!!)
4.Control the money supply to reduce inflation. (OMG!!! What a horrible thing!!!)



Comments on Reaganomics from the Cato Institute:
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The Reagan admin did not reduce the rate in growth of government spending, it increased payroll taxes and the Fed under Volker controlled the money supply not the Reagan admin
 
sangha said:
And now MaggieD retreats from her claim that most people want to cut taxes, and tries to change her argument to "most people want to cut their own taxes" :lamo

Maggies arguments are so inane, that even she won't stick to them
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I'll stick to this one:

MaggieD said:
I am sick and tired of the left (or any other part of the spectrum) calling candidates they don't support "dumber than a bag of rocks" in one form or another. It shows their own ignorance and, worse, their stupidity. If one can't argue against a platform, why doesn't one just STFU?
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Thunder said:
and under Reagan they paid an income tax-rate of 50%. I support Bachmann's tax plan.

:)
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I think you are being intentionally obtuse. I have no use for Bachmann, but I don't have to misrepresent what she wants to argue against it.
 
Thunder said:
isn't Bachmann calling for Reagan's tax policies to me mimicked?
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In that Reagan wanted and enacted lower taxes. To spin that she meant anything else is simply being silly.
 
Redress said:
In that Reagan wanted and enacted lower taxes. To spin that she meant anything else is simply being silly.
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i didn't read the article in the OP. I simply figued Bachmann wanted to return our tax-policies to exactly how Reagan had it.
 
Thunder said:
i didn't read the article in the OP. I simply figued Bachmann wanted to return our tax-policies to exactly how Reagan had it.
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That's what she said. As usual, some want to pretend that "I want to reinstitute the Reagan tax model from the 1980s.” means "I want to cut taxes"
 
If Reagan was running for president today, would he have any chance of winning the primary in any of the parties?
 
sangha said:
That's what she said. As usual, some want to pretend that "I want to reinstitute the Reagan tax model from the 1980s.” means "I want to cut taxes"
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And this is what we call lying. She did not call for higher taxes, she called for Reagan's economic plan, which was to cut taxes. Here in fact is her plan: Bachmann Introduces “American Jobs, Right Now” Blueprint for Economic Prosperity and Job Creation | Michele Bachmann for President | MicheleBachmann.com. Let me quote from it for you:

CUT TAXES. I’ve demonstrated a firm commitment to cutting spending and balancing the budget. We need to reduce the number of tax brackets, repeal taxes outlined in Obamacare, fix the Alternative Minimum Tax, and eliminate the Death Tax. In addition, we must make the corporate tax code simpler and fairer, and allow U.S. companies that generate earnings overseas to bring back those profits and invest them in American jobs and growth.
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When you cannot argue against something except by lying, that is your problem, not Bachmann's. Her actual plan is an easy target(hint: it sucks), so why do you feel the need to lie and spin?
 
Redress said:
And this is what we call lying. She did not call for higher taxes, she called for Reagan's economic plan, which was to cut taxes. Here in fact is her plan: Bachmann Introduces “American Jobs, Right Now” Blueprint for Economic Prosperity and Job Creation | Michele Bachmann for President | MicheleBachmann.com. Let me quote from it for you:



When you cannot argue against something except by lying, that is your problem, not Bachmann's. Her actual plan is an easy target(hint: it sucks), so why do you feel the need to lie and spin?
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She did not say anything about implementing "Reagans economic plan". That is just a fiction.
 
sangha said:
You got pwned on your last post, so now you're trying to move the goalposts with a dishonest argument. The "Reagan Tax plan" brought tax rates to a certain specific level, which were higher than they are today.
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wrong, everyone else understood what she meant. The Reagan tax plan was to reduce the marginal rates. stop being dishonest
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong, everyone else understood what she meant. The Reagan tax plan was to reduce the marginal rates. stop being dishonest
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"I want to reinstitute the Reagan tax model from the 1980s"

The term "tax model" refers to certain specific set of tax rates. It does not mean "cutting taxes", or "tax plan". It shows that she does not realize that taxes were higher under Reagan than they are now.
 
MaggieD said:
I am sick and tired of the left (or any other part of the spectrum) calling candidates they don't support "dumber than a bag of rocks" in one form or another. It shows their own ignorance and, worse, their stupidity. If one can't argue against a platform, why doesn't one just STFU?
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Um, if you keep calling for taxes to be lowered, and then call for a plan in which taxes were actually higher, then yes, you ARE dumber than a bag of rocks. Michelle Bachmann should have read a little about Ronald Reagan before invoking him in her speech.
 
sangha said:
"I want to reinstitute the Reagan tax model from the 1980s"

The term "tax model" refers to certain specific set of tax rates. It does not mean "cutting taxes", or "tax plan". It shows that she does not realize that taxes were higher under Reagan than they are now.
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stop lying

the model means cutting taxes. What was the top marginal rate when Reagan left office?

what is it now?
 
danarhea said:
Um, if you keep calling for taxes to be lowered, and then call for a plan in which taxes were actually higher, then yes, you ARE dumber than a bag of rocks. Michelle Bachmann should have read a little about Ronald Reagan before invoking him in her speech.
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same question

what was the top marginal rate when Reagan left office

what share of the income tax burden did the top 1 percent pay in 1988? Now?
 
danarhea said:
Um, if you keep calling for taxes to be lowered, and then call for a plan in which taxes were actually higher, then yes, you ARE dumber than a bag of rocks. Michelle Bachmann should have read a little about Ronald Reagan before invoking him in her speech.
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just one more Bachmann comment that shows why she will NOT be the GOP nominee.

:)
 
TurtleDude said:
stop lying

the model means cutting taxes. What was the top marginal rate when Reagan left office?

what is it now?
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What was the debt when he left office?

And how many times did he raise taxes and on whom?
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong, everyone else understood what she meant. The Reagan tax plan was to reduce the marginal rates. stop being dishonest
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And once again, the rightwingers have to make stuff up. Now, "everyone" agrees with TD :roll:

I guess these articles weren't written by anyone
Michele Bachmann Proposes Tax Hikes for Everyone -- Reagan Style - DailyFinance
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Michele Bachmann Proposes Tax Hikes for Everyone -- Reagan Style | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News


ANd Reagans tax plan included raising taxes on the rich

“Would you rather reduce deficits and interest rates by raising revenue from those who are not now paying their fair share, or would you rather accept larger budget deficits, higher interest rates, and higher unemployment? And I think I know your answer.”
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