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Trayvon Martin’s mom: Jurors didn’t see my son as human

From Raw Story:

Sybrina Fulton told CNN’s Anderson Cooper she was shocked when she heard the verdict.

“The reason I say that is because I just look at people as people, and I thought for sure that the jury looked at Trayvon as an average teenager that was minding his own business, that wasn’t committing any crime, that was coming home from the store and was feet away from where he was actually going,” she said. “But when I heard the verdict I kind of understand the disconnect, in that maybe they didn’t see Trayvon as their son, they didn’t see Trayvon as a teenager, they didn’t see Trayvon as just a human being that was minding his own business.”

"I thought the human side of them would say, 'Listen this was a kid, this guy made a mistake,'"Fulton said.

Trayvon Martin’s mom: Jurors didn’t see my son as human | The Raw Story

Did Sybrina Fulton speak to each of the jurors after the trial? Does anyone know? Because if she didn’t, I don’t know how she could possibly know what was in their hearts and minds…and it’s more than a little insulting and scary too that she would think so very little of those jurors.

I’m also curious to know whether Traynon Martin’s mother has ever acknowledged that perhaps her son made a mistake too.

I think you're being much too hard on her. She just lost her son. She's heartbroken. And MORE heartbroken, because, but for her? Her son wouldn't have even been there. Don't forget that.

Saying this gives me hope: "I thought the human side of them would say, 'Listen this was a kid, this guy made a mistake,'" Fulton said.

The only "mistake" GZ made was doing anything further after he called the coppers. And for that error? He did not deserve to go to jail for thirty years.
 
I'm pretty sure they did see him as human. After all, you can't convict a human for a crime against a non-human in a court of law. The court of criminal law is specifically designed to put human beings on trial for offenses to other human beings.
 
Seeing someone as human has nothing to do with acknowledging that they committed a crime for which shooting them was not an unreasonable reaction by the victim, George Zimmerman.
 
it takes a special kind of asshole to look down on people that are involved in their community in such a manner

George was not an asset to the community.. he was a liability.. He'd only been NW for less than 100 days when he shot an unarmed teen.
 
She is a mother who lost a child.

true.
Yet to state the jury did not see the "child" as human because she did not agree with the verdict is not justified.

Other than not agreeing with the verdict, she gave no real reason for her remark.
 
George was not an asset to the community.. he was a liability.. He'd only been NW for less than 100 days when he shot an unarmed teen.

M *a 2 bit criminal* was shot dead by Z *a concerned citizen*

Z is a free man

Get use to that idea and let it sink in because nothing can change it
 
He was acting out his Walter Mitty cop fantasy.

I appreciate my neighbors looking out for my house as well as I look out for their houses. I do not need a George Zimmerman driving around the neighborhood with his lights out playing a cop. I know he took some legal classes and a MMA class but if their is a real criminal committing a crime then send me a bonafide policeman. We are fine here in my neighborhood, we don't need a Barney Fife.
 
I appreciate my neighbors looking out for my house as well as I look out for their houses. I do not need a George Zimmerman driving around the neighborhood with his lights out playing a cop. I know he took some legal classes and a MMA class but if their is a real criminal committing a crime then send me a bonafide policeman. We are fine here in my neighborhood, we don't need a Barney Fife.

yeah, it's pretty ****ty for private citizens to actually look out for their neighborhood.. we need more neighbors like you, the sort that doesn't give a **** what happens as long as the police come by to write a report about it..
 
I think you're being much too hard on her. She just lost her son. She's heartbroken. And MORE heartbroken, because, but for her? Her son wouldn't have even been there. Don't forget that.

Saying this gives me hope: "I thought the human side of them would say, 'Listen this was a kid, this guy made a mistake,'" Fulton said.

The only "mistake" GZ made was doing anything further after he called the coppers. And for that error? He did not deserve to go to jail for thirty years.

I don't think I'm being hard on her. And I do understand that in deep grief, it's very common for the bereaved to need to find somebody/something to blame. Human nature. But Fulton sat through the trial and heard the evidence.

And whether you're a bereaved parent or just an ordinary parent, there comes a time when you acknowledge your kid's fault. One of those times is when the kid is suspended. Or arrested. Or spends the night in jail. In my son's case, I let him cool his jets in juvenile lockup for three weeks. He deserved to, and I hoped this would be instructive.

All I have done is ask whether Fulton met privately with the six jurors after the trial. Because if she did not, what she has said is horrendous character assassination--saying that those women didn't see her child as human. There is no justification for this. It's outrageous.
 
yeah, it's pretty ****ty for private citizens to actually look out for their neighborhood.. we need more neighbors like you, the sort that doesn't give a **** what happens as long as the police come by to write a report about it..

I didn't say that at all. I look out for my neighborhood but do drive blocks over where I do not know who lives there or what cars belong to them. Zimmerman was so far out of his neighborhood he had to get out of his car to see where he was or at least that is the story he gave to explain why he was out of his car.

Some night get in your car and drive blocks away and slowly drive down the street with your lights out and see the reception you get from the residents there.
 
You could probably also add Zimmerman's mother into the list who does not deserve any hatred. I imagine she has been through hell and it is not going away anytime soon.

But as they say, haters will hate.

What the **** about my post makes you think I'm saying Zimmerman's mother does not deserve not to be hatred, if you want to knock down strawmans do it with someone else.
 
I didn't say that at all. I look out for my neighborhood but do drive blocks over where I do not know who lives there or what cars belong to them. Zimmerman was so far out of his neighborhood he had to get out of his car to see where he was or at least that is the story he gave to explain why he was out of his car.

Some night get in your car and drive blocks away and slowly drive down the street with your lights out and see the reception you get from the residents there.

I wouldn't get any looks if i drive "blocks"... I gotta go just under a mile before I hit my first neighbor. :lol:

in any event, I have zero problem with Zim looking out for his neighborhood.... more folks like him are needed, not less.
folks gotta stop condoning "head in the sand" syndrome and start actually giving a **** about their surroundings and neighbors.
 
Then she should have read him the law and told him not to attack people.................

"A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."
 
Americans don't see her as a good mom.

good parents don't let their suspended kids walk around at night.

she should stop blaming the jury, and GZ, and blame herself for what happened.

That's a ridiculous claim.
 
I was going write something PC but screw it....

That woman is full of ****. Period

That was a heart touching display of compassion and humanity
 
What the **** about my post makes you think I'm saying Zimmerman's mother does not deserve not to be hatred, if you want to knock down strawmans do it with someone else.

I think my post came out wrong then. I was just saying that both mothers have suffered far more than a mother should. I give both of them slack for their emotions.
 
I appreciate my neighbors looking out for my house as well as I look out for their houses. I do not need a George Zimmerman driving around the neighborhood with his lights out playing a cop.
He wasnt. He was on his way to a store. Get it straight or dont post.
 
She is a mother who lost a child.

Yeah- I can't expect a mother whose son is dead to see him in the way that others who don't have a parental bond feel or see things.

Impossible. It's grotesque that people are judging her. She can say and feel whatever she wants.
 
Sharpton is using Trayvon's mother as a "Shield." It's a debate technique, McCain did the same thing with his POW experience.

How can anyone argue with a mother who has just lost a son? Only a monster with no heart could disagree with her! Therefore she can say whatever she wants (or Sharpton tells her to say) and there will be no disagreement, only silence. If anyone disagrees with her, others will leap to defend her because of her grief. Her loss and sorrow is a shield against disagreement with Sharpton's statements coming from her.

It's particularly brutal of Sharpton to use her in this manner. She has no idea of what he is doing or that she is being used as a lightning rod for him.
 
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Timothy McVeigh, who blew up the Oklahoma City Building and killed 168 people, had his mother (and father) testify on the stand at his trial that he was not a monster and was as human all the jurors were. Now is Timothy McVeigh a monster? Absolutely, beyond any shadow of a doubt. However I'm not going to spite a mother for loving her child even after he does something as horrible as this, in fact all I can feel is sorrow of both of his parents for having to undergo this kind of event and the pain that loving their son has brought them. You'd like love to be a good thing, something that brings you joy, clearly here it does not.

CNN - Mother: McVeigh not a 'monster' - June 11, 1997

And if I don't feel the need to spit this mother's face then I'm certainly not going to do it for Martin's mother who's only fault is completely loving her son without question. That kind of love should be encouraged, for the Christian's among us its part of what Christ taught us, not to be vengeful and hate the loving for their love. But even if you aren't Christian any decent human being wouldn't be angry at a mother for loving her son this much. We should all feel sorry for this poor woman who now has to suffer for all this.

Then this mother should be at home grieving for her son instead of speaking at rallies flaming the fans of racial unrest.

She publically blames everybody else so it is perfectly aceptable to make comments about her comments.
 
George was not an asset to the community.. he was a liability.. He'd only been NW for less than 100 days when he shot an unarmed teen.

Do you think if you repeat something enough times it will make it true?
 
I appreciate my neighbors looking out for my house as well as I look out for their houses. I do not need a George Zimmerman driving around the neighborhood with his lights out playing a cop. I know he took some legal classes and a MMA class but if their is a real criminal committing a crime then send me a bonafide policeman. We are fine here in my neighborhood, we don't need a Barney Fife.

Where did you get this Little piece of genius?
 
Yeah- I can't expect a mother whose son is dead to see him in the way that others who don't have a parental bond feel or see things.

Impossible. It's grotesque that people are judging her. She can say and feel whatever she wants.

NO she can't.

She is speaking at rallies to fan the flames. You think that is aceptable.

The evidence was presneted and if there was any evidence available to prove Zimmerman did anything werong, it would have been presented.

Calling out the jurors is way out of line.
 
NO she can't.

She is speaking at rallies to fan the flames. You think that is aceptable.

The evidence was presneted and if there was any evidence available to prove Zimmerman did anything werong, it would have been presented.

Calling out the jurors is way out of line.

You can't claim to know what this mothers motives are. Have a little compassion for G*ds sake
 
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