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Black Man Shoots White Teen, Jury says Self Defense. And Nobody Cares [W:86]

I wonder if Obama will come out and say the teen would look like his son. :roll: Anyway, if the teen tried to harm the man, he had the right to defend himself. Apparently he informed the boys he had a gun.


Jury Finds Roderick Scott Not Guilty - Rochester
 
By Tim McNabb
18 July, 2013

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Huh. Roderick Scott went out of his house to confront a trio of punks breaking into cars in his Greece, New York neighborhood. Scott’s story was that he fired two rounds at one of them when the young man charged him after being told to freeze and wait for the cops. So, we largely have an inverse image of the incident in which Trayvon Martin perished, complete with the kinfolk weeping thusly . . .
“The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini, Christopher’s father. “My son never threatened anybody. He was a gentle child, his nature was gentle, he was a good person and he was never, ever arrested for anything, and has never been in trouble. He was 16 years and four months old, and he was slaughtered.”
Alas, for the future value of the Christopher Cervini trademark and subsequent merchandise sales, young Chris didn’t really look like the son of anyone famous or influential. If they’d had one.
How heavily did stories of gangs of rednecks beating the life out of a black man hang upon the mind of Mr. Scott in the split second before he pulled the trigger? Who cares?
The jury clearly believed that Scott was in fear for his life when he defended himself, and all the second-guessing and carping about him being a wannabe cop went either unmentioned, or unheeded. Absent more information that the state, with all its resources, was not able to cobble together a case to the satisfaction of the jury, I believe that Cervini’s death is one of the possible outcomes of a young man being out screwing around when he shouldn’t have been.
When I was growing up, that’s what I was told. Run with a bad crowd, bad things can happen. Act a certain way, dress a certain way, mouth off to the wrong person, and bad things can and do happen.
Neither President Obama nor Attorney General Eric Holder were not available for comment.


[Excerpt]

Read more:
Black Man Shoots White Teen, Jury says Self Defense. And Nobody Cares | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns

We also note that neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson were available to comment.

The Black guy, Roderick Scott.....will he, like Zimmerman, be in deathly fear of even THINKING of going outside his home ? And when Roderick Scott leaves his home......will he, like Zimmerman, require a police escort ? And, will Roderick Scott be in deathly fear FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.....like Zimmerman ?

I don't think so. Do you ?

My guess is that within a coupla days, if not the next day, Roderick Smith went for groceries. And, feels PERFECTLY SAFE in visiting his homies anytime, anywhere.
 
OK, completely off-topic and irrelevent...but where the hell are this dude's eyebrows? did he get carried away and shave them off while shaving his head?
 
Nice story, do you think everyone is the same as you? Do you think its a falsehood to say that proverty breeds crime simply because you personally were poor but never a criminal? Do I have to explain that your single story doesn't mean anything against a trend and a wealth of data to support it?

I suppose you'll argue next that drinking does not impair your driving because there have been people who have driven while drunk and never broke a traffic law or caused an accident while doing it right? That's pretty much what you're saying, that your one example defies all other examples and data because its your example.

Yes, I disagee. It's the apologists that make excuses for crimes comitted by poor people that breeds crime within in impoverished areas.
 
unless we tackle the causes of crime, or address the reasons why someone would choose to become a criminal or what forces them to take on a life of crime, we will only be dealing with the symptoms of the sickness, not the cause.

Nothing forces them to take on a life of crime, except the concious decision to do so. What are we going to do, cover criminals under the Americans With Disabilities Act?
 
Yes, I disagee. It's the apologists that make excuses for crimes comitted by poor people that breeds crime within in impoverished areas.

then what causes the people in those impoverished areas to resort to crime in the first place?
 
Yes, I disagee. It's the apologists that make excuses for crimes comitted by poor people that breeds crime within in impoverished areas.

Who's making an excuse? I'm not saying any individual found guility of a crime should not be punished, but its simple willful ignorance to decide that it doesn't matter why people committ crimes. Understanding why people become criminals is important to preventing people from becoming criminals.
 
So on the one hand we have a self appointed vigilante following a kid who is just walking through a neighborhood vs a man confronting THREE kids visibly breaking the law out side his own home.

There is a difference.
 
Nothing forces them to take on a life of crime, except the concious decision to do so. What are we going to do, cover criminals under the Americans With Disabilities Act?

maybe the choice is made because all other options available to them is inaccessible, no way to improve income or way of life. no other way to survive.

what else causes them to turn to crime? and what can be done to make a life of crime unappealing.
 
Nothing forces them to take on a life of crime, except the concious decision to do so. What are we going to do, cover criminals under the Americans With Disabilities Act?

Don't give them any ideas! :lamo:
 
Greetings, ttwtt! :2wave:

One of the biggest concerns I have is the mentality of people who believe the law does not apply to them! What has happened to our society that this is becoming commonplace? Theft has always been a crime! Breaking into someone's home or car is asking for trouble, and yet it continues. Stupidity is alive and well today? Sheesh! :shock: :screwy:

It is equally problematic for any ctizen to have the power of saying stop and wait for police or I will legally shoot you. I do not pretend to know all of the details of this case. I simply questioned the authority for a citizen's arrest after observing a property crime NOT involving your own property.
 
maybe the choice is made because all other options available to them is inaccessible, no way to improve income or way of life. no other way to survive.

.

they have the same access to public education as everyone else (note: there are plenty of "white" kids that attend ****ty public schools), there are multiple low income/minority programs to help with job training/education. hell....they could do like I did and join the military.

claiming that they have no other option is a cop-out.
 
Greetings, ttwtt! :2wave:

One of the biggest concerns I have is the mentality of people who believe the law does not apply to them! What has happened to our society that this is becoming commonplace? Theft has always been a crime! Breaking into someone's home or car is asking for trouble, and yet it continues. Stupidity is alive and well today? Sheesh! :shock: :screwy:

This is what happens when we don't let Darwinism take its course
 
By Tim McNabb
18 July, 2013

Roderick-Scott-right-courtesy-ynn.com_.jpg
Huh. Roderick Scott went out of his house to confront a trio of punks breaking into cars in his Greece, New York neighborhood. Scott’s story was that he fired two rounds at one of them when the young man charged him after being told to freeze and wait for the cops. So, we largely have an inverse image of the incident in which Trayvon Martin perished, complete with the kinfolk weeping thusly . . .
“The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini, Christopher’s father. “My son never threatened anybody. He was a gentle child, his nature was gentle, he was a good person and he was never, ever arrested for anything, and has never been in trouble. He was 16 years and four months old, and he was slaughtered.”
Alas, for the future value of the Christopher Cervini trademark and subsequent merchandise sales, young Chris didn’t really look like the son of anyone famous or influential. If they’d had one.
How heavily did stories of gangs of rednecks beating the life out of a black man hang upon the mind of Mr. Scott in the split second before he pulled the trigger? Who cares?
The jury clearly believed that Scott was in fear for his life when he defended himself, and all the second-guessing and carping about him being a wannabe cop went either unmentioned, or unheeded. Absent more information that the state, with all its resources, was not able to cobble together a case to the satisfaction of the jury, I believe that Cervini’s death is one of the possible outcomes of a young man being out screwing around when he shouldn’t have been.
When I was growing up, that’s what I was told. Run with a bad crowd, bad things can happen. Act a certain way, dress a certain way, mouth off to the wrong person, and bad things can and do happen.
Neither President Obama nor Attorney General Eric Holder were not available for comment.


[Excerpt]

Read more:
Black Man Shoots White Teen, Jury says Self Defense. And Nobody Cares | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns

We also note that neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson were available to comment.

Right off the bat, there's a difference that they actually brought this guy to trial without national scrutiny. It wasn't until other's intervened that GZ actually had to go to trial. So if you're trying to find similarities, you found a horrible case to show them. Among many other things that aren't comparable.
 
maybe the choice is made because all other options available to them is inaccessible, no way to improve income or way of life. no other way to survive.

what else causes them to turn to crime? and what can be done to make a life of crime unappealing.

That's a cop ouy
 
By Tim McNabb
18 July, 2013

Roderick-Scott-right-courtesy-ynn.com_.jpg
Huh. Roderick Scott went out of his house to confront a trio of punks breaking into cars in his Greece, New York neighborhood. Scott’s story was that he fired two rounds at one of them when the young man charged him after being told to freeze and wait for the cops. So, we largely have an inverse image of the incident in which Trayvon Martin perished, complete with the kinfolk weeping thusly . . .
“The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini, Christopher’s father. “My son never threatened anybody. He was a gentle child, his nature was gentle, he was a good person and he was never, ever arrested for anything, and has never been in trouble. He was 16 years and four months old, and he was slaughtered.”
Alas, for the future value of the Christopher Cervini trademark and subsequent merchandise sales, young Chris didn’t really look like the son of anyone famous or influential. If they’d had one.
How heavily did stories of gangs of rednecks beating the life out of a black man hang upon the mind of Mr. Scott in the split second before he pulled the trigger? Who cares?
The jury clearly believed that Scott was in fear for his life when he defended himself, and all the second-guessing and carping about him being a wannabe cop went either unmentioned, or unheeded. Absent more information that the state, with all its resources, was not able to cobble together a case to the satisfaction of the jury, I believe that Cervini’s death is one of the possible outcomes of a young man being out screwing around when he shouldn’t have been.
When I was growing up, that’s what I was told. Run with a bad crowd, bad things can happen. Act a certain way, dress a certain way, mouth off to the wrong person, and bad things can and do happen.
Neither President Obama nor Attorney General Eric Holder were not available for comment.


[Excerpt]

Read more:
Black Man Shoots White Teen, Jury says Self Defense. And Nobody Cares | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns

We also note that neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson were available to comment.

You posted a story about this last night, why the new thread? :roll:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/zimme...trayvon-had-been-white-and-shooter-black.html
 
That's a cop ouy

a cop out to what? you know what i think is a cop-out? believing that any and all people who commit crime are beyond fixing and it is a lost cause to prevent crime by eliminating the causes of what creates the desire to become criminals. Prisons are not the ultimate solution and we should be trying to keep people out of prison.
 
By Tim McNabb
18 July, 2013

Roderick-Scott-right-courtesy-ynn.com_.jpg
Huh. Roderick Scott went out of his house to confront a trio of punks breaking into cars in his Greece, New York neighborhood. Scott’s story was that he fired two rounds at one of them when the young man charged him after being told to freeze and wait for the cops. So, we largely have an inverse image of the incident in which Trayvon Martin perished, complete with the kinfolk weeping thusly . . .
“The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini, Christopher’s father. “My son never threatened anybody. He was a gentle child, his nature was gentle, he was a good person and he was never, ever arrested for anything, and has never been in trouble. He was 16 years and four months old, and he was slaughtered.”
Alas, for the future value of the Christopher Cervini trademark and subsequent merchandise sales, young Chris didn’t really look like the son of anyone famous or influential. If they’d had one.
How heavily did stories of gangs of rednecks beating the life out of a black man hang upon the mind of Mr. Scott in the split second before he pulled the trigger? Who cares?
The jury clearly believed that Scott was in fear for his life when he defended himself, and all the second-guessing and carping about him being a wannabe cop went either unmentioned, or unheeded. Absent more information that the state, with all its resources, was not able to cobble together a case to the satisfaction of the jury, I believe that Cervini’s death is one of the possible outcomes of a young man being out screwing around when he shouldn’t have been.
When I was growing up, that’s what I was told. Run with a bad crowd, bad things can happen. Act a certain way, dress a certain way, mouth off to the wrong person, and bad things can and do happen.
Neither President Obama nor Attorney General Eric Holder were not available for comment.


[Excerpt]

Read more:
Black Man Shoots White Teen, Jury says Self Defense. And Nobody Cares | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns

We also note that neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson were available to comment.


If the teen actually "charged" the man holding a gun on him (as was reported). Then i believe we have a valid candidate for this years Darwin Awards.
 
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This is what happens when we don't let Darwinism take its course

social dawinism FTW. thoughout most of history "natural selection" has eliminated the weak, sick, lame and unfit. by creating a system where no one is allowed to suffer due to their own poor decision making skills, we have eliminated one of nature's great checks and balances.
 
With the number of people shooting other people in the United States every day its not really fesible to run news coverage, especially on the Martin/Zimmerman level, on every single one.

true.
yet here is a thread about a black shooting a white and the TM crowd is silent.
 
So on the one hand we have a self appointed vigilante following a kid who is just walking through a neighborhood vs a man confronting THREE kids visibly breaking the law out side his own home.

There is a difference.

I reject your description of the GZ case. Not surprising you use vigilante.
Are all NW or concerned citizens vigilantes in your view?
 
Black Man Shoots White Teen, Jury says Self Defense. And Nobody Cares

New York is castle doctrine state and NYC prosecutors aren't shy about prosecuting people who claim self defense. One of the CNN talking heads is a former NYC Prosecutor and his on air comment of "in NY bring a gun to a knife fight and you will go to jail" was not in any way hyperbole,

Granted this didn't happen in the city - Greece is way upstate near Rochester - but for the man to be acquitted there really must have been no case against him.

As a side note the one reason I can see for justifying stand your ground laws is that I find it manifestly unfair - and abusive - that a homeowner can in the course of defending himself and his family be driven to financial ruin justifying his actions in court.
 
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New York is caste doctrine state and NYC prosecutors aren't shy about prosecuting people who claim self defense. One of the CNN talking is a former NYC Prosecutor and his on air comment of "in NY bring a gun to a knife fight and you will go to jail" was not in any way hyperbole,

Granted this didn't happen in the city - Greece is way upstate near Rochester - but for the man to be acquitted there really must have been no case against him.

As a side note the one reason I can see for justifying stand your ground laws is that I find it manifestly unfair - and abusive - that a homeowner can in the course of defending himself and his family be driven to financial ruin justifying his actions in court.

Well, this did happen well before the SAFE act.
 
I reject your description of the GZ case. Not surprising you use vigilante.
Are all NW or concerned citizens vigilantes in your view?

I don't know about notquiteright ...... but I know for certain that Black Racists and the Black Racist Enabling DEM Lib/Gay turds would view a concerned citizen volunteering his own time to improve the neighborhood (maybe a bit more careful in following police instructions)..... as not only a VIGILANTE .....but a "creepy ass cracka"/MONSTAH (ebonics) out to slay innocent black "children".
 
Nothing forces them to take on a life of crime, except the concious decision to do so. What are we going to do, cover criminals under the Americans With Disabilities Act?

Yep.....let's improve Affirmative Action further by awarding criminals, especially the black ones, with monthly stipends until they're cured. Or, give them Blue Chip stamps for groceries, at least.
 
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