• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Zimmerman had every right to follow Martin

SheWolf said:
Exactly as I said before. He deserved to die, and Zimmerman didn't deserve to even get arrested. What's more dangerous than a Zimmerman in every neighborhood, would be a world full of people with your belief system.
Click to expand...

I agree with the jury. his death was deserved based on the known evidence.

justice has been served. Zimmerman is a free man, deservedly so.

you can stick your sour grapes anywhere you would like.
 
SheWolf said:
I think the opinion you're espousing is disgusting. Nobody should follow random people and create deadly situations. Trayvon Martin is dead, and he wouldn't be dead if Zimmerman didn't find him suspicious. All he was doing was walking, wearing a hoodie, and he was black.
Click to expand...

You ignore the fact that Trayvon beat Zimmerman's head into the pavement because Trayvon found Zimmerman "suspicious"... or "creepy ass cracka". Was Trayvon "profiling"? Had the other person walking down that sidewalk behind Trayvon been some guy heading home just like Trayvon then guess what? Trayvon would have jumped him too.

It just shows how sick this culture is that the guy who says "he looks black" and "he's wearing a hoodie" after being prompted by 911 is the horrible racist while the dumbass who jumps a "creepy ass cracka" in the middle of the night for walking on the same sidewalk as him is a darling little angle. He was a thug. It was a tragedy what happened, but Trayvon was a tragedy waiting to happen.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I have a challenge for you.
Ask Zimmerman if it was worth it.
You "wanna be a cop". Go to the academy, pull on the uniform, pin on the badge, strap on the gun and be one. Dont get your $135 CCW permit and go play one.
Click to expand...

You seem to think I believe it was worth it, I don't. This whole thing could have been handled better. This isn't about gun rights, but the fact remains Zimmerman was just trying to look out for his community. Had Martin responded in a nice way to Zimmerman's inquiry, in a polite way and not like a thug, I'm sure none of this would have happened. For example: if I thought someone was in my parking lot looking around in car windows to steal something, I would ask him about it. If he -wasn't- looking for **** to steal, I'm sure he'd have a good reason (Maybe he locked his keys in his car)
 
ARealConservative said:
in hindsight, it is often stupid to risk your life for others.
Click to expand...

How was Zimmerman risking his life? The burglaries were daytime on week days in empty houses.. by lifting the cheap sliding glass doors off their tracks.
 
ARealConservative said:
in hindsight, it is often stupid to risk your life for others.
Click to expand...

No in real time too, stupid. Zimmerman wasn't risking his life for anyone. Zimmerman did a stupid and ill-thought out action, helped create a dangerous situation and because of it had to shoot a kid. There wasn't any valiant effort by Zimmerman to charge someone who was threatening another's life.
 
sharon said:
How was Zimmerman risking his life? The burglaries were daytime on week days in empty houses.. by lifting the cheap sliding glass doors off their tracks.
Click to expand...


Martin had issues. he couldn't follow rules. couldn't stop from attacking people. he was turning into a problem for society.

Zimmerman chose to risk his life and make his neighborhood safe following just such a person. Fortunately he was smart enough to carry a loaded weapon
 
ARealConservative said:
in hindsight, it is often stupid to risk your life for others.
Click to expand...

People like you just dont get it do you. Who did Zimmerman risk his life for?
Break ins? Property crimes? Petty theft? Wow, real hero there.
Nothing I heard that Zim did was illegal, and Trayvon reacted very very wrong.
But I will stand by my assertation, if you are going to be John Wayne, you better be John Wayne. You start following, you never know what will happen. You dont know what that person you are "just following" or "just observing" can and will do once you are made and they decide to confront you.
Zimmerman handled it wrong. What he should have done is at least pulled his shirt up and showed the gun. Hopefull that would have stopped Martin in his tracks, if not and continued. Draw if you dont think you can take them in a fist fight or dont want to get into one.
 
Zimmerman thought he was suspicious because he profiled, then he killed him because he lost control of the situation and was punched in the head.

I am not denying Trayvon bloodied him, but you're ignoring that that's not the initial reason Zimmerman had a problem with Trayvon.

He was black like all the other people he called the cops on, and like the robbers Shelly saw. He was walking in the rain. That's suspicious as ****.

jmotivator said:
You ignore the fact that Trayvon beat Zimmerman's head into the pavement because Trayvon found Zimmerman "suspicious"... or "creepy ass cracka". Was Trayvon "profiling"? Had the other person walking down that sidewalk behind Trayvon been some guy heading home just like Trayvon then guess what? Trayvon would have jumped him too.

It just shows how sick this culture is that the guy who says "he looks black" and "he's wearing a hoodie" after being prompted by 911 is the horrible racist while the dumbass who jumps a "creepy ass cracka" in the middle of the night for walking on the same sidewalk as him is a darling little angle. He was a thug. It was a tragedy what happened, but Trayvon was a tragedy waiting to happen.
Click to expand...
 
ARealConservative said:
Martin had issues. he couldn't follow rules. couldn't stop from attacking people. he was turning into a problem for society.

Zimmerman chose to risk his life and make his neighborhood safe following just such a person. Fortunately he was smart enough to carry a loaded weapon
Click to expand...
I have no doubt that Martin was on borrowed time. He was for sure spinning out of control and someone was going to either jail him for a long time or kill him.
But everything Zim did, took him out of the mix for keeping his neighborhood safe in the future.
Disgression is many times the better part of valor.
 
CRUE CAB said:
People like you just dont get it do you.
Click to expand...

I don't get people like you.

Who did Zimmerman risk his life for?
Click to expand...

his neighbors, including several that testified about how decent of a person he is. he could of done what everone else does, and ignore the rampant crime.

Break ins? Property crimes? Petty theft? Wow, real hero there.
Click to expand...

hero is your words, not mine.

But I will stand by my assertation, if you are going to be John Wayne, you better be John Wayne.
Click to expand...

John Wayne is an actor. your point is getting more and more idiotic.
 
Zimmerman also had issues and a record of violence. Isn't this the third time he's been acquitted of a crime?



ARealConservative said:
Martin had issues. he couldn't follow rules. couldn't stop from attacking people. he was turning into a problem for society.

Zimmerman chose to risk his life and make his neighborhood safe following just such a person. Fortunately he was smart enough to carry a loaded weapon
Click to expand...
 
SheWolf said:
If he didn't racially profile him, he would have followed him to begin with. Racially profiling isn't murder, obviously, nor is a crime, but Zimmerman did it.

If Trayvon were white and it was sunny outside, I guess George would have minded his business.
Click to expand...

It doesn't look like he racially profiled him to me.

I don't get the impression you have any interest in discussing this objectively but the transcript of his 911 call clearly shows Zimmerman more interested in Martin's behavior. I suspect you'll insist that was all part of an elaborate ruse but so what? Even if you're right that he described his behavior while really thinking "I hate all niggers", and I see no reason to believe that, since when is being followed grounds to kill someone?
 
ARealConservative said:
I don't get people like you.



his neighbors, including several that testified about how decent of a person he is. he could of done what everone else does, and ignore the rampant crime.



hero is your words, not mine.



John Wayne is an actor. your point is getting more and more idiotic.
Click to expand...
So we disagree.
I never said he was not a decent person.
Yep, he had a hero complex.
And the term "John Wayne" is a common term for someone that wants to be a badass.
You want to be a bad ass, you better be one.
And as for idiotic, read your own.
Hey, do you patrol your neighborhood with your gun and dog?
 
SheWolf said:
Zimmerman also had issues and a record of violence. Isn't this the third time he's been acquitted of a crime?
Click to expand...

his record of violence equals his record of murder. NOT GUILTY
 
SheWolf said:
You think he deserved to be followed and killed.
Click to expand...

I think that ANYONE of any race, religion, creed, etc... who is skulking around a private or semi-private neighborhood definitely deserves to be questioned about who the hell they are and what the hell they are doing there. Believe it or not, some of us actually take our personal and home security very seriously.

Did TM "deserve" to be killed? Not at all. Right up to the point where he assaulted GZ. At that point all bets are off and I am never going to try to tell someone else what their mindset was at the moment they pulled the trigger, because some day that could be me and I'd like the benefit of the doubt as well.
 
He racially profiled him. Listen to his previous police calls. The fact that he didn't immediately announce his race does not prove he didn't, because everything else suggests he did. Nearly everybody racially profiles, some are worse than others, some outright promote it should be done. If you can't admit that, then you can't be objective.

Dapper Andy said:
It doesn't look like he racially profiled him to me.

I don't get the impression you have any interest in discussing this objectively but the transcript of his 911 call clearly shows Zimmerman more interested in Martin's behavior. I suspect you'll insist that was all part of an elaborate ruse but so what? Even if you're right that he described his behavior while really thinking "I hate all niggers", and I see no reason to believe that, since when is being followed grounds to kill someone?
Click to expand...
 
ARealConservative said:
Martin had issues. he couldn't follow rules. couldn't stop from attacking people. he was turning into a problem for society.

Zimmerman chose to risk his life and make his neighborhood safe following just such a person. Fortunately he was smart enough to carry a loaded weapon
Click to expand...

Trayvon had no history of attacking people.. No history of violence... but George did..
 
If Martin didn't fit the racial profile and act like a thug, things woulda been different. Maybe Martin could have been nice and polite. Then go along his business stealing things(and if he wasn't then good for him).
 
sharon said:
Trayvon had no history of attacking people.. No history of violence... but George did..
Click to expand...

false.

as a 17 year old, not on trial, his past was not introduced.

but we do know more about his past.

drugs. theft. battery.
 
Most people racially profile. There is even a Sharpton quote where says he has done it to orhee blacks. Its just that most people do it, realize they are doing it, and then stop or move on and mind their own business. Most people don't profile, call the cops, and chase the black guy.
 
SheWolf said:
He racially profiled him. Listen to his previous police calls. The fact that he didn't immediately announce his race does not prove he didn't, because everything else suggests he did. Nearly everybody racially profiles, some are worse than others, some outright promote it should be done. If you can't admit that, then you can't be objective.
Click to expand...
Zim is not a cop, so there is no crime of profiling.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom