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Day 5 testimony [W:334, 619]

j-mac said:
Are you even for real here?



You are just plain ignoring anything that doesn't match your preconceived notion of guilt.
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Thank you for posting this. The amount of baloney posted by the uninformed is mind boggling. I didn't know about that video you've shown us here; but then I didn't bring up the issue as if it were some "gotcha moment." Why do people do that??
 
MaggieD said:
Thank you for posting this. The amount of baloney posted by the uninformed is mind boggling. I didn't know about that video you've shown us here; but then I didn't bring up the issue as if it were some "gotcha moment." Why do people do that??
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Sometimes I wish I had a friend that worked as a trained psychiatrist, so I could watch what is clear, then see what is posted, and ask him what drives people to just not hear, or read anything that doesn't fit their narrative....I also think that to some degree we can all be guilty of it from time to time, although some are better at avoiding it than others. The true test is to see if after I posted this direct impeachment of what she said, and repeated in this thread, if she will continue to lie about it, or if she will simply move on to another TM family talking point.
 
MaggieD said:
Thank you for posting this. The amount of baloney posted by the uninformed is mind boggling. I didn't know about that video you've shown us here; but then I didn't bring up the issue as if it were some "gotcha moment." Why do people do that??
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Maggie, it's all they have left.
 
j-mac said:
Sometimes I wish I had a friend that worked as a trained psychiatrist, so I could watch what is clear, then see what is posted, and ask him what drives people to just not hear, or read anything that doesn't fit their narrative....I also think that to some degree we can all be guilty of it from time to time, although some are better at avoiding it than others. The true test is to see if after I posted this direct impeachment of what she said, and repeated in this thread, if she will continue to lie about it, or if she will simply move on to another TM family talking point.
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Keep in mind, they have been so convinced that George is a heartless killer who killed a boy for no reason for over a year. The brain is an amazing thing and when facts get filtered through the opinion above, this is what occurs.
 
sharon said:
None of last week's witnesses were certain of anything.

When I was a senior in HS.. I had the most wonderful teacher.. He had a JD from Dartmouth and was teaching for a couple of years in Europe.

The first class.. he was writing on the board and there was a sudden, brief altercation in the front of the class room.. which included swearing and a thrown blackboard eraser.

I had the best vantage point because I was sitting at the end of a long table.

As soon as it was over he told each to write an account of what happened. NONE of them were alike.

He read them aloud and said... "ladies and gentlemen ... welcome to the world of history and eye witness testimony."
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now, let's examine sharon's takeaway from that lesson: all witness testimony is erroneous
now i understand why your posts seldom make any sense
 
sharon said:
He changed his testimony.. to say that he didn't see punching.. He said TM was sitting on GZ but he thought it was a "tussle".
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no, he did NOT change his testimony
he has consistently said he saw the person on top, wearing dark clothing, make repeated downward motions upon the person beneath him. that person who was underneath was wearing red or white clothing
in short, he saw martin on top delivering blows. he saw zimmerman on the bottom, but was unable to state that he saw zimmerman receiving those blows
sharon, i now invite you to tell us what about my post you believe to be in error
 
tashatexas77048 said:
Did you notice the deceased was found dead in the grass, sir?
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martin was on top of zimmerman when he was shot by zimmerman
they were on the edge of the concrete, having moved there from the grass, according to testimony
martin was subject to the blast of a pistol
martin was subject to being displaced by zimmerman, who would not be expected to remain under martin's body when he then had the opportunity to get from underneath
both circumstances would explain martin's body displacement

Did you also notice that not a single punch was thrown?
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the witness testified that MULTIPLE blows were thrown by the person on top; by the one wearing dark clothing

That witness also did not see what happened when and immediately after the shot was fired. He was no smoking gun.
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that witness returned inside to call 911 and was placing that call at the time the shot rang out - which was before the 911 operator answered his call
it appears to have been a very brief period before the shot that the witness ended his observation of the encounter
 
justabubba said:
now, let's examine sharon's takeaway from that lesson: all witness testimony is erroneous
now i understand why your posts seldom make any sense
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I just watched a long time lawyer this morning say that 6 people can witness the exact same event, and it's not uncommon that you end up with 6 different stories of what the witnessed... But she also said that doesn't mean any of them are lying and they likely believe everything they've said, and it also doesn't mean that eye witnesses testimony is inaccurate or unreliablereliable... A lot depends on the person and what they witnessed.
 
Grim17 said:
I just watched a long time lawyer this morning say that 6 people can witness the exact same event, and it's not uncommon that you end up with 6 different stories of what the witnessed... But she also said that doesn't mean any of them are lying and they likely believe everything they've said, and it also doesn't mean that eye witnesses testimony is inaccurate or unreliablereliable... A lot depends on the person and what they witnessed.
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we can observe that already and we have yet to observe the witnesses to be called by the defense
some have been well trained in the delivery of testimony
others show up with an agenda
and others are just ditzy
hopefully the jury can recognize which testimony rings true and valid
 
Omg please tell me this is a joke, because creepy ass cracka isn't a homophobic slur

ABC10 said:
No we don't know, but I think Rachael gave us all a clue when she said Martin called Zimmerman a "creepy asscracker" which the urban dictionary indicates is associated with anal sex. It never made sense for Martin to assault Zimmerman till her comments at trial. I get it. The Martin supporters though Bernie and the prosecution team would be so great. Zimmerman's has claimed self defense from the beginning.
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SheWolf said:
Omg please tell me this is a joke, because creepy ass cracka isn't a homophobic slur
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It's gotta be a joke....I can picture tongue firmly implanted in cheek there....:lol:
 
Black Manta said:
Sure it's called google.
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As I thought.
You don't have any such thing.

Ahh, well.

Can you at least articulate what you think was wrong with the timeline presented by the other poster?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
As I thought.
You don't have any such thing.
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No I personally don't. Please point out where I said I did? I said the defense and prosecution have there own timelines. Considering I was a professional in law enforcement, I can say that is a fact.

Simon W. Moon said:
Ahh, well.

Can you at least articulate what you think was wrong with the timeline presented by the other poster?
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Yes it does not fit into what actually happened and is mostly unfounded speculation. As I stated before it has gone from 1 min and now it is up to 4 min's. Sorry that is not in evidence for a reason. That is of course unless you think his assessment is better than the prosecutor? :lamo
 
Black Manta said:
No I personally don't. Please point out where I said I did?
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You implied that you could tell the difference between one timeline and another. Istm, that means you have some standard with which to compare.
I assumed too much. I didn't stop to consider that you may not have had anything to compare against and were just making a declaration without making any such comparison.


Black Manta said:
I said the defense and prosecution have there own timelines. Considering I was a professional in law enforcement, I can say that is a fact.
Yes it does not fit into what actually happened and is mostly unfounded speculation. As I stated before it has gone from 1 min and now it is up to 4 min's. Sorry that is not in evidence for a reason. That is of course unless you think his assessment is better than the prosecutor? :lamo
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It's hard to say. I am not sure what you think you're saying. So I can't really respond to it.

The NEN call runs from 7:09 to 7:13. I contacted the Sanford PD for verification.
 
Are you all really this stupid?

Watch the testimony:

Trayvon said a "creept ass-cracker" is following me.

Then Rachel says "Run he might try to rape you!"

"Creepy Ass-Cracker" means a pedofhile, a male child rapist, a pervert!
The boy thought he may be being stalked by a CAC "creepy Ass-Cracker" - get it?

If you still can't figure out the term there is no hope for you or you are simply sooooo racist you refuse to acknowledge the truth, or maybe you are an Ass-Cracker yourself and object to beilg called creepy.

C'mon people be honest.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
You implied that you could tell the difference between one timeline and another. Istm, that means you have some standard with which to compare.
I assumed too much. I didn't stop to consider that you may not have had anything to compare against and were just making a declaration without making any such comparison.
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I do have other speculative time lines to compare it to, as do you. Google is your friend.

Simon W. Moon said:
It's hard to say. I am not sure what you think you're saying. So I can't really respond to it.

The NEN call runs from 7:09 to 7:13. I contacted the Captain O'Connor of the Sanford PD for verification.
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Be a little more obtuse why don't you. And WTF does Istm, NEN and "I contacted the Captain O'Connor of the Sanford PD for verification." Even mean? And you are "not sure what you think you're saying" pot meet kettle.
 
Re: Are you all really this stupid?

southerblackman said:
Watch the testimony:

Trayvon said a "creept ass-cracker" is following me.

Then Rachel says "Run he might try to rape you!"

"Creepy Ass-Cracker" means a pedofhile, a male child rapist, a pervert!
The boy thought he may be being stalked by a CAC "creepy Ass-Cracker" - get it?

If you still can't figure out the term there is no hope for you or you are simply sooooo racist you refuse to acknowledge the truth, or maybe you are an Ass-Cracker yourself and object to beilg called creepy.

C'mon people be honest.
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All the more reason TM should have gone into his father's home, and called police himself instead of confronting Z. Although I just love the double standard we are talking about here....If the roles were reversed, and it was a white teen young man that was talking to his girlfriend about some "Scary ass-n-----" following him, there wouldn't be a question about whether or not the term was racist....You want 'honesty'? Start there.
 
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