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Did Zimmerman say he didn't need medical help?

66gardeners said:
When you kill someone in self defense and you refuse medical treatment, what exactly was it you were in fear of?
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medical treatment came after the event was over did it not?

If you cannot think of a reason to fear for your life when you think someone is beating the heck out of you and has no plans to stop, I can't haelp you.

There was a case in Texas where a single mother shot and killed an x boyfriend who was trying to break down her door. She fear for her life and shot him. No injuries. Guess you feel she should have not feared for her life either.
 
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mike2810 said:
medical treatment came after the event was over did it not?

If you cannot think of a reason to fear for your life when you think someone is beating the heck out of you and has no plans to stop, I can't haelp you.

There was a case in Texas where a single mother shot and killed an x boyfriend who was trying to break down her door. She fear for her life and shot him. No injuries. Guess you feel she should have not feared for her life either.
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While it's true that injuries are not a requirement to prove self-defense, you better well have them when you claim someone was beating the **** out of you, striking you as many as 30 times in the face and intentionally smashing your head on a cement walkway. You're right in the case of the woman you cited -- she had no injuries, but then, according to what you posted, she didn't claim he was beating the **** out of her either.

Unlike Jorge, whose injuries do not support his claim of an ass-whooping.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
While it's true that injuries are not a requirement to prove self-defense, you better well have them when you claim someone was beating the **** out of you, striking you as many as 30 times in the face and intentionally smashing your head on a cement walkway. You're right in the case of the woman you cited -- she had no injuries, but then, according to what you posted, she didn't claim he was beating the **** out of her either.

Unlike Jorge, whose injuries do not support his claim of an ass-whooping.
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You also have tied injuries to "fear for you life". One does not need injuries to fear for life. If the law requires injuries to make the claim of fear for life, you will have to show me that law.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
While it's true that injuries are not a requirement to prove self-defense, you better well have them when you claim someone was beating the **** out of you, striking you as many as 30 times in the face and intentionally smashing your head on a cement walkway. You're right in the case of the woman you cited -- she had no injuries, but then, according to what you posted, she didn't claim he was beating the **** out of her either.

Unlike Jorge, whose injuries do not support his claim of an ass-whooping.
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In Florida, the evaluation of reasonable fear for a self-defense claim or SYG is an objective one. It's not subjective

It's whether a reasonable individual in that kind or similar situation would reasonably fear imminent serious bodily injury or death.
 
mike2810 said:
medical treatment came after the event was over did it not?

If you cannot think of a reason to fear for your life when you think someone is beating the heck out of you and has no plans to stop, I can't haelp you.

There was a case in Texas where a single mother shot and killed an x boyfriend who was trying to break down her door. She fear for her life and shot him. No injuries. Guess you feel she should have not feared for her life either.
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But in that instance she did not claim a struggle that either didn't exist or existed differently than what he said. So the jury would not struggle with a defendant that is not telling the truth. I would think juries in general would take a hard line on lying.

The problem for ZImmerman is going to be the disconnect between his head injuries and his account(s) and re-enactment. I would expect at some point for the prosecution to get some kind of trauma specialist and forensics specialists to attempt to discount Zimmermans account(s). But before they even come into play....the defense will have to explain the discrepecies in his accounts, re-enactment and timeline.
 
mike2810 said:
You also have tied injuries to "fear for you life". One does not need injuries to fear for life. If the law requires injuries to make the claim of fear for life, you will have to show me that law.
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I can't explain how my post flew over your head like that, but again ... injuries are not a requirement. Your life can be threatened without being touched.

That does not apply to Jorge because he claimed, not only was he touched, but that he had the **** beat out of him. He needs injuries, now get this because I'm not saying it to you again ... he needs injuries more severe than what he had, not to show he had a reasonable fear for his life -- but to corroborate his claim that he was indeed getting his ass royally kicked. As it appears now, at least to many, he exaggerated his ass-kicking to justify taking the life of a teenager armed only with Skittles and a fruit drink; which is why his injuries were so minor, he didn't even need a Band-Aid.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I can't explain how my post flew over your head like that, but again ... injuries are not a requirement. Your life can be threatened without being touched.

That does not apply to Jorge because he claimed, not only was he touched, but that he had the **** beat out of him. He needs injuries, now get this because I'm not saying it to you again ... he needs injuries more severe than what he had, not to show he had a reasonable fear for his life -- but to corroborate his claim that he was indeed getting his ass royally kicked. As it appears now, at least to many, he exaggerated his ass-kicking to justify taking the life of a teenager armed only with Skittles and a fruit drink; which is why his injuries were so minor, he didn't even need a Band-Aid.
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And it is the lying or intentional deceit that could be undoing. The jury will use any perceived deceit to weigh other statements and such.

I would think the prosecution will eventually have expert witnesses to discuss Zimmerman's lack of injury that matches up with his statement and the lack of DNA.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
... but that he had the **** beat out of him.
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He said that he got hit.
He said he got knock to the ground.
He said the person jumped on top of him and slammed his head.



Sheik Yerbuti said:
he needs injuries more severe than what he had,
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No he doesn't. His injuries are consistent with what he said he suffered.

Or did you not see the pictures of the two lacerations? Multiple abrasions? Multiple swelling/lumps all over his head? And contusions?

Your assertion that he needs more, is absurd.

Especially since he said that person was going for his gun with the stated intent to kill him.
 
OscarB63 said:
and? I just said it was. what's your point? show me some evidence that proves guilt beyond reasonable doubt and I'll gladly change my mind. I just haven't seen any yet. too many inconsistancies, too many conflicting witness reports, no tox screen or medical eval done on Zimmerman, not covering the scene and allowing rain to possibly wash away blood/DNA evidence, etc, etc, this case was bungled from the get go.
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And DeeDees testimony would be truly valuable if they had discovered a call was in progress before it was possible she had been exposed to Zs version of events.

Ms father told them after getting the phone back in march.

That's what really bugs me.

"I shot an unarmed young man." Nobody saw what happened.

Should be followed by a real investigation.

Not the nonsense that went on here.

It looks like they just took his word on it and cleaned up the scene.
 
Excon said:
He said that he got hit.
He said he got knock to the ground.
He said the person jumped on top of him and slammed his head.




No he doesn't. His injuries are consistent with what he said he suffered.

Or did you not see the pictures of the two lacerations? Multiple abrasions? Multiple swelling/lumps all over his head? And contusions?

Your assertion that he needs more, is absurd.

Especially since he said that person was going for his gun with the stated intent to kill him.
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Wishes the person who posted a picture of Jorge which was photoshopped to embellish his injuries. :eek:
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Wishes the person who posted a picture of Jorge which was photoshopped to embellish his injuries.
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Absurdity at it's best.
Your dishonesty and deflection is also noted again.

The image was not edited by me.
That image was not used to say he was injured as such.


Sad that you can not refute what I said so you resort to this nonsense. That is absurd.
 
Excon said:
Absurdity at it's best.
Your dishonesty is also noted again.

The image was not edited by me.
That image was not used to say he was injured as such.
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So you claim.
 
mike2810 said:
medical treatment came after the event was over did it not?

If you cannot think of a reason to fear for your life when you think someone is beating the heck out of you and has no plans to stop, I can't haelp you.

There was a case in Texas where a single mother shot and killed an x boyfriend who was trying to break down her door. She fear for her life and shot him. No injuries. Guess you feel she should have not feared for her life either.
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Trayvon wasn't trying to break down George's door.. That's a poor comparison.
 
What if...? said:
And DeeDees testimony would be truly valuable if they had discovered a call was in progress before it was possible she had been exposed to Zs version of events.
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How so?
We already know she had time to be learn of the evidence and even to be coached before coming forward.


What if...? said:
It looks like they just took his word on it and cleaned up the scene.
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Doesn't appear that way at all.
 
year2late said:
And it is the lying or intentional deceit that could be undoing. The jury will use any perceived deceit to weigh other statements and such.

I would think the prosecution will eventually have expert witnesses to discuss Zimmerman's lack of injury that matches up with his statement and the lack of DNA.
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George's lies just never stop..
 
sharon said:
So far the prosecution is doing very well.
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Didn't one of the prosecution witnesses say TM was acting suspiciously?
Or are you referring to the Captain Kirk worthy overacting in the opening statement?
 
Excon said:
That's right.
It was stated what it was used for. You can't get around that.
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It was used to embellish his injuries. And ironically posted by the same poster claiming his injuries are consistant with his claims. :lamo
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
It was used to embellish his injuries. And ironically posted by the same poster claiming his injuries are consistant with his claims. :lamo
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:doh
Not by anyone here it wasn't.

You have no point and are trying to bait into a ridiculous argument that you can not support.

Here is what it was used for.
Pay attention.

Excon said:
JackFrost said:
I have provided links regarding racism and racial profiling. Post #511. You even replied to it.

You made a claim of "racism working both ways". Care to back it up?
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Yes, here you go.

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I guess we can see where that racist [SIZE=4][B]™[/B][/SIZE] sustained the injury to his left hand.[/QUOTE][/INDENT][/INDENT]
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sharon said:
Trayvon wasn't trying to break down George's door.. That's a poor comparison.
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picky, picky , picky.

No, TM was not. Hasn't GZ claimed he was being beaten or TM was attempting to do harm?. My point stands. You do not need any injuries to "fear for ones life". The law does not require it. If it does, please quote the law.
 
mike2810 said:
picky, picky , picky.

No, TM was not. Hasn't GZ claimed he was being beaten or TM was attempting to do harm?. My point stands. You do not need any injuries to "fear for ones life". The law does not require it. If it does, please quote the law.
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TM was probably in fear of his life..............
 
mike2810 said:
picky, picky , picky.

No, TM was not. Hasn't GZ claimed he was being beaten or TM was attempting to do harm?. My point stands. You do not need any injuries to "fear for ones life". The law does not require it. If it does, please quote the law.
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reasonable fear....... why is that concept so very difficult for some people to understand?
 
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