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Judge Mathis weighs in on Zimmerman trial. [W:109]

JackFrost said:
Yes.

Race played a major role, making it seem like Trayvon Martin was "up to no good".
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That's hard IMO..

I think George may have deeper issues about race.. He NEVER turned and looked at his mother or family during the voir dire hearings.

Since that was the first time his mother appeared in public I found that odd.

Couple that with George telling people that his mother could "punch like a man".. (if you can believe anything George says)
 
sharon said:
I like it when you don't pay attention to any of the facts in the case.
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:doh
That is you and other ™ supporters who don't.
 
sharon said:
I like it when you don't pay attention to any of the facts in the case.
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you wouldn't know a fact in the case if it bit you in the ass.

what color were trayvon's pants?
 
ric27 said:
Your thoughts on this case are convoluted and bias NOT based on the evidence
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But you constantly ignore evidence that it brought up. You dismiss or make excuses for things that do not fit your narrow view.

Zimmerman's words AT THE TIME "looking about".

After he kills Trayvon.....all of a sudden he was looking into homes.

You actively dismiss his original words spoken at the time, while he was watching Trayvon and blindly accept the new interpretation.
 
JackFrost said:
Absolutely 100% Y-E-S

Race played a major role, making it seem like Trayvon Martin was "up to no good".
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Clearly shows your dishonesty and your lack of not *being able to analyze the evidence* in a constructive matter discredits, you completely....

Remember...foolish minds preach stupidity


Have a nice day :)
 
ric27 said:
Wrong and bias

Dismissed


Once again....What reasons Z gave for reporting M?

Anyone on the M camp want to answer?
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The word is "biased", not "bias". If you're going to hand-wave, at least do it with class.
 
OscarB63 said:
black boys, black boys, whatcha gonna do? whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
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Thank you for this. If I ever doubt that Zimmerman's bizarre supporters are motivated by bigotry, I can come back here to read your post.

Cheers.
 
OscarB63 said:
you wouldn't know a fact in the case if it bit you in the ass.

what color were trayvon's pants?
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Light Khaki or white jeans.. very popular in Florida.. No one in SF wears dark jeans.. Its too hot..
 
AlfredENeuman said:
Thank you for this. If I ever doubt that Zimmerman's bizarre supporters are motivated by bigotry, I can come back here to read your post.

Cheers.
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and if I ever doubt the stupidity of people unable to grasp sarcasm and hyperbole....I can come back here and read yours
 
OscarB63 said:
and if I ever doubt the stupidity of people unable to grasp sarcasm and hyperbole....I can come back here and read yours
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You guys created an entire thread about some obscure black TV judge, filled it with comments about Obama this, black that, "black boys", and then expect people not to notice? How does any of this relate to the case that will have opening statements on Monday in any way, shape, or form?

It only seems to relate to a certain segment of society that operates from bigotry and felt a need to let a little of it out.

I'm happy to let this thread speak for itself and let you guys go back your circle jerk.
 
AlfredENeuman said:
You guys created an entire thread about some obscure black TV judge, filled it with comments about Obama this, black that, "black boys", and then expect people not to notice? How does any of this relate to the case that will have opening statements on Monday in any way, shape, or form?

It only seems to relate to a certain segment of society that operates from bigotry and felt a need to let a little of it out.

I'm happy to let this thread speak for itself and let you guys go back your circle jerk.
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blah..blah...blah... :2bigcry: I didn't start this thread.
 
OscarB63 said:
blah..blah...blah... :2bigcry: I didn't start this thread.
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That's correct, I created it... And I don't recall filling it with any Obama this's or black that's...

I created this thread to point out how a popular TV Judge has seemingly made the decision to pass judgment on this case based on Travon Martin's race, rather than the actual facts. He demonstrated this by misstating certain facts and presenting things in a one sided manner that obviously is advocating that Zimmerman should be found guilty of murder.

Another reason I posted it, was because of a discussion I had last week based on the blog post I made and subsequent thread "BET should be ashamed of themselves", where I made the statement that a huge majority of black people in America think Zimmerman is guilty of murder, not based on the facts, but because Martin is black and Zimmerman is not. Judge Mathis's commentary backs up my observations very nicely.

Here, in case you you all missed it back on page 3:

The man states he can't render a conclusion on Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, because he is a judge and that wouldn't be proper, then proceeds to do exactly that. He couldn't have been any more transparent and to top it all off, the man can't even get all the damned facts straight. Here's are the top 10 misstated facts and not so subtle innuendos by the "honorable" Judge Mathis:

1. The case "shines a light on racial profiling and SD laws" - Racial profiling? This case has nothing to do with racial profiling. This is 100% about self defense vs. murder.

2. "Zimmerman was on patrol as a neighborhood watchman" - No he wasn't. He was on his way to the store.

3. "He said he was black and wearing a hoodie" - Zimmerman was asked if he was white, black, or Hispanic. He was unsure and said "he looks black" and then a minute later when he got closer he told the officer "he's a black male". He was also asked Martins description, so he described his pants, top and shoes. He didn't call police and say "there's a suspicious looking hoodie wearing black guy walking down the street".

4. He was told not to follow Martin, but "Zimmerman followed Martin anyway" - There is no evidence to substantiate that. Zimmerman said after the dispatcher said he didn't need him to do that, he said "OK" and no longer followed Martin. Even if he still followed him, the judge failed to point out that was not an order Zimmerman was required to adhere to, and his actions were not illegal and well within his rights as a citizen.

5. On 911 tapes we hear a "no, no", we don't know if that came from Z or M - What was screamed was "help" and possibly "stop", but nowhere did I hear "no, no". Zimmerman said it was him screaming for help, a neighbor said it was zimmerman screaming for help, the police were convinced it was zimmerman screaming for help, Zimmerman's family are convinced it was Z screaming for help, Martin's father after hearing the tape of the screams said that was not his son screaming, and since the FBI determined the screams were impossible to analyze, that's all the available evidence. That doesn't sound as up in the air as the judge made it out to be.

6. Is this a case of "walking while black"... Did he "zoom in on Martin" and follow him because he was a black male wearing a hoodie - For a judge who won't draw a conclusion until all the evidence and testimony has been given, he sure didn't hesitate to speculate. Problem is, he only speculated about how this could be all Zimmerman's fault and he used the race card to do it. He never once speculated that Martin may have acted inappropriately... He never commented about the physical injuries to Z, and lack of injuries to M? He never speculated why Martin decided to confront Z instead of just going home?

7. Racial profiling is a form of discrimination... - More speculation about Zimmerman's motives, yet the judge failed to mention that maybe Martin fit the description of the men who were involved in a series of recent burglaries in the neighborhood, and that may have played a part in why Z called the police.

8. The Judge defines "racial profiling" as an act committed by law enforcement officials - George Zimmerman is not a law enforcement official.

9. Since the SYG laws went in effect in 2005, deaths have "shot up over 200% in Florida" - Instead of standing by "the rule of law" as a judge is supposed to do, now the judge is saying the SYG law is bad, insinuating that even if Z is found not guilty, he's still could be a murderer... just a legal one.

10. Some say Zimmerman's choice for jury trial, rather than SYG hearing gives him "better chance for acquittal" - Implying that the use of this legal strategy might allow him to get away with his crime.


So where were any of the facts or speculation from the judge that didn't make Zimmerman out to be racist, trigger happy child murderer? I sure as hell couldn't find them anywhere, could you? I mean come on... Could the judge have been anymore obvious about his belief that Zimmerman is guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin and did so simply because Martin was black?

Now if you would, find some place real special you can dig a nice deep hole and bury all those racist incinuations... Because to be honest with you, I've had about enough from people like you who point their condescending finger in my direction and label me racist for simply pointing out the plain, simple, unvarnished truth... Now if you've grown attached to those insinuations and feel you just can't part with them, may I suggest you point them in the direction of Judge Mathis where I assure you they will be a much better fit... While your at it, why not do everyone a favor and remind that "officer of the court" that that isn't one of those trick blindfolds that lady justice is wearing... It's real and he of all people shouldn't have to be reminded of that
 
JackFrost said:
Reporting a suspicious black male two or three weeks prior to 2/26/12 is one of the reasons George Zimmerman gave to Detective Chris Serino on why he called police dispatch. It is documented. I provided the link to the audio file and a partial transcript. I think he mentions it during the Hannity interview as well. Let me watch it again to verify.
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He is also documented as reporting suspicious white activity.
 
JackFrost said:
Absolutely 100% Y-E-S

Race played a major role, making it seem like Trayvon Martin was "up to no good".
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LOL..

Who is the biased one here?

I will contend that this incident could have occurred if Martin was white also.
 
JackFrost said:
Reporting a suspicious black male two or three weeks prior to 2/26/12 is one of the reasons George Zimmerman gave to Detective Chris Serino on why he called police dispatch. It is documented. I provided the link to the audio file and a partial transcript. I think he mentions it during the Hannity interview as well. Let me watch it again to verify.
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you mean the suspicious black male who was later arrested for stealing a laptop?

Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.
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one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."
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OscarB63 said:
you mean the suspicious black male who was later arrested for stealing a laptop?
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It's the same with terrorists.... It's a fact that 95% of the terrorist acts committed around the world are done by Muslims of middle eastern descent, but if you say that, or call police because you saw a middle eastern looking man taking pictures of a nuclear plant, your a bigot an Islamaphobe.

Maybe Zimmerman wouldn't have called police if Martin wasn't black, but there's a difference between suspecting someone because they fit the description of local lawbreakers, and suspecting someone because of irrational or bigoted racial stereotypes. Martin supporters are dishonestly accusing Zimmerman of the latter because their beliefs are more important to them than the truth is.
 
Lord of Planar said:
He is also documented as reporting suspicious white activity.
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Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if Martin was white and Zimmerman was black, and people were running around saying Zimmerman was guilty and it had to do with him racially profiling?

Now back to the topic... Are there any of you Martin supporters who disagree with my assessment of Judge Mathis, or are are we all in agreement here that he distorted the facts, painted a one sided picture and is clearly on Martin's side in this case, just as that BET special was?
 
JackFrost said:
Exactly, George Zimmerman was suspicious of Trayvon Martin because he was black.
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"There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."
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George Zimmerman was suspicious of a black boy because black boys had been robbing houses in the neighborhood. not simply because Martin was "black"
 
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