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Based on what we know, how did the confrontation go down?

Funny thing is, the evidence is in zimmerman's own contradictory and impossible story, not to mention the forensic evidence. Ignore away like you always do but we know better.
So, where's your evidence Trayvon crossed the line and brutally assaulted zimmerman? Keep harping on with the the killer's words which is proven to be BS and worthless. You have nothing, nada, zilch, zero but blowing hot air.
zimmerman's various inconsistent and impossible stories are what is going to do him in unless the jury are as gullible as you and the rest of zimmerman's supporters. We have the body of an unarmed teenager, we have the crime scene, we have zimmerman acknowledging the killing. When he can't come up with a sound justification for the killing of an unarmed teenager, what's left to argue if not at least a negligent homicide, manslaughter or something? Don't you want the same justice for your child if it happened the same to you?

I guess not.

Why do you say brutally?
Did Zimmerman ever say brutally?
Stop with the spin.


And he does not have a contradictory and impossible story. That is all your fantasy.


And his account is believable.
You just don't want it to be so refuse to see it.
 
You still harp on your worthless ****?

The killer's memory is all "*** up" remember? His words are worthless for argument of fact.
His words are more than just believable, but acceptable as fact.
But your own bias wont let you see that.

Which of course is an untrue statement and irrelevant.

Why you wish to inform us of the obvious, that you were born, is relevant.

There was no call for your comments.
You get in return what you give.



Herein lies part of your problem.
Cases are examined on the evidence. Zimmerman's claims are some of that evidence. When you have nothing left to go on, or anything that contradicts that evidence, that is what you are left with.
If you can not refute what that evidence says with other evidence, it stands as the only evidence.

Secondly you consider things like his account of what happen in relevance to, and in light of, the other evidence.
Or in other words, the evidence in toto.
Which his account is consistent with, the rest of the evidence.

On top of that you have the following being said after the "Procedural Capias" was signed by him so the Prosecutor could take over the investigation.

... Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman: Orlando Sentinel


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Is being the accused a reason to distrust and more closely examine his account.
Sure, that is a reasonable thing.
Do you think the police know that? Of course they do.
Which is one of the reasons interrogation/interviews are designed break down an interviewee and extract information pointing to one's guilt.

And under such scrutiny, his account adds up. See the detectives above statement.

Just being the accused can be rehabilitated by the circumstances surrounding the account, such as Zimmerman's is.
eg.
He cooperated and continued to cooperate from the start, especially when he didn't need to.
Voluntarily participated and withstood hours of adversarial interviews.
Passed lie detect efforts twice.
He didn't know how many witnessed, or what they saw, yet his account is consistent with theirs. You would not get that if he was lying. Especially after withstanding the hours of adversarial questioning.
The physical evidence is consistent with his account.​

Of course he is believable. His account withstands scrutiny.

But you, because of some irrational bias, can't see that.
Irrationality is irrationality.

His account stood up to scrutiny.



Then we have the introduction of DD.
Not just her lies, but the circumstances surrounding her account make her account far more questionable then Zimmerman's.
Hell, even her testimony is questionable with her "you want that too" statement.

Her account, although being mostly consistent with Zimmerman's, was later added to. A little "get off" she says she heard. which she attributes to . Which is actually amazing considering the evidence as known.

From what we know, everything adds up to what Zimmerman said happened. The decedent was the primary aggressor.
Even she says confronted Zimmerman first.

But she then later adds in, after the fact, this little "get off", attributing it to .
Yet we now know she is a liar. And that she participated in that purposeful deception when there was no apparent reason for it.
What is the motivation behind that and Crump's further lies about her, we most likely will never know, but her account is tainted by it.
Her account is questionable and has yet to be rehabilitated. Which is highly unlikely it could be, which is actually strange that no one has tried.


We already know from the evidence that Zimmerman was immediately struck and knocked down, stumbling a little distance as he fell.
With following and jumping on-top of him.
We already know from the evidence that witnesses place Zimmerman on the bottom.
And we already know that Zimmerman got on top of Trayvon after he was shot (as witnessed).
And we know from common sense that the person being attacked or on the bottom would be yelling for help or saying get off.
Her saying said "get off" isn't consistent with the known evidence.
So if she isn't lying again and really heard a "get off", as Zimmerman would already have been knocked down, it would have been Zimmerman telling to get off.

I would say you need to examine the evidence individually, and comparatively.
You know, in toto.
 
zimmerman's various inconsistent and impossible stories are what is going to do him in unless the jury are as gullible as you and the rest of zimmerman's supporters. We have the body of an unarmed teenager, we have the crime scene, we have zimmerman acknowledging the killing. When he can't come up with a sound justification for the killing of an unarmed teenager, what's left to argue if not at least a negligent homicide, manslaughter or something? Don't you want the same justice for your child if it happened the same to you?

I guess not.

Appealing to emotion will get you nowhere and from a legal standpoint, you are still ignorant

Z's is more than justified under the current SD Florida law

Once again, the burden to disprove or prove *depending on the argument* is on the state or YOU. Please remember this small tidbit, ok?

Now, you must show that Z did something that legally justified M's hitting Z in the nose and then slamming his head against, the concrete

Can you or any of your cohorts do that?
 
Appealing to emotion will get you nowhere and from a legal standpoint, you are still ignorant

Z's is more than justified under the current SD Florida law

Once again, the burden to disprove or prove *depending on the argument* is on the state or YOU. Please remember this small tidbit, ok?

Now, you must show that Z did something that legally justified M's hitting Z in the nose and then slamming his head against, the concrete

Can you or any of your cohorts do that?
What emotional appeal? Stop crying wolf when there is none.

Like I said, there is no proof "M's hitting Z in the nose and then slamming his head against, the concrete" as you claimed. In fact, forensic evidence proved otherwise. And you have zimmerman's own stories and pictures to do him in, that is if we don't have jurors as gullible and dishonest as you are.
 
His words are more than just believable, but acceptable as fact.
But your own bias wont let you see that.

You are proving my point. You have nothing but the killer's words. That's pathetic.
 
Why do you say brutally?
Did Zimmerman ever say brutally?
Stop with the spin.


And he does not have a contradictory and impossible story. That is all your fantasy.


And his account is believable.
You just don't want it to be so refuse to see it.
If not brutally, what's zimmerman's excuse for shooting an unarmed teenager? Was zimmerman severely handicapped?
 
what evidence? as has been pointed out on multiple occasions...Zimmerman doesn't have to prove dick. all he has to show is that is was "possible" he acted in self-defense. given the sum total of evidence (or lack thereof) it is "possible" zimmerman acted in self-defense. therefore he is not guilty of the crime with which he was charged.

I'm not saying Zimmerman is innocent or that he didn't do anything wrong...only that based solely on the law and the evidence released to date, an objective conclusion of guilt beyond reasonable doubt is impossible.
So, you can just admit that you shoot an unarmed teenager to death and not prove anything but simply said, "So what?"

That's what your logic amounts to.
 
I don't have to pray. I've taught my children not to walk alone in strange neighborhoods on dark and rainy nights and to not attack strangers for asking them a question
Yeah right. Just obey let kidnapping or whatever be. Que sera sera....
 
Zimmerman's account has withstood hours of scrutiny from the police.
That's your self-serving take. We know zimmerman's account was a fruitcake despite being treated with kid glove by the investigators.
 
That's your self-serving take. We know zimmerman's account was a fruitcake despite being treated with kid glove by the investigators.

He even had the (since resigned) Police Chief make up details about the incident that didn't exist:

“If someone asks you, ‘Hey do you live here?’ is it OK for you to jump on them and beat the crap out of somebody? It’s not.” -Resigned, unresigned, then "permanently relieved of duty," Police Chief Lee, on the Trayvon Martin incident, March 15, 2012

That's from a MH report which is no longer on available.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446_p2_trayvon-martin-case.html

That quote can be verified though, here:

Opinion: Trayvon Martin, not George Zimmerman, was engaged in self-defense | News - Home
 
If not brutally, what's zimmerman's excuse for shooting an unarmed teenager? Was zimmerman severely handicapped?
Have you not been paying attention for the past year or so?
Fear of great bodily injury and or fear of imminent death is all that is required.
 
That's your self-serving take. We know zimmerman's account was a fruitcake despite being treated with kid glove by the investigators.
:naughty
No that is your self serving and convoluted response.

His account withstood hours of intensive questioning, and was not treated with kids gloves.
It past lie detection efforts.
And is consistent with the other witnesses accounts

His account is believable.


What you have is nothing more than convoluted thoughts to dispute what he says. It truly is a shame.
 
He even had the (since resigned) Police Chief make up details about the incident that didn't exist:

“If someone asks you, ‘Hey do you live here?’ is it OK for you to jump on them and beat the crap out of somebody? It’s not.” -Resigned, unresigned, then "permanently relieved of duty," Police Chief Lee, on the Trayvon Martin incident, March 15, 2012

That's from a MH report which is no longer on available.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446_p2_trayvon-martin-case.html

That quote can be verified though, here:

Opinion: Trayvon Martin, not George Zimmerman, was engaged in self-defense | News - Home
iLOL
:lamo :doh :lamo

He is lying now instead of making a misstatement. :doh :lamo
What a shame you can't see just how absurd your claims are.
 
What emotional appeal? Stop crying wolf when there is none.

Like I said, there is no proof "M's hitting Z in the nose and then slamming his head against, the concrete" as you claimed. In fact, forensic evidence proved otherwise. And you have zimmerman's own stories and pictures to do him in, that is if we don't have jurors as gullible and dishonest as you are.

Yes, there is. Trouble is, your hatred/bias clouds your thoughts and as a result, your responses are convoluted

Z's testimony is proof.

Again, you have to disprove Z's account with evidence

You have shown....none
 
facts do matter...and they say otherwise



so you would lie to the authorities? my, my...what a fine upstanding citizen you are :laughat:

Many of the witnesses had their identities protected.
 
Yes, there is. Trouble is, your hatred/bias clouds your thoughts and as a result, your responses are convoluted

Z's testimony is proof.

Again, you have to disprove Z's account with evidence

You have shown....none
Z's own stories themselves disproved him. Now, stop your repetitious and meaningless trolling.
 

Why don't you listen to George various accounts? They are available for all.

This mess and George's problems are far deeper than most of us understand. That's why his wife and parents are such enablers.

George has MUCH to prove.
 
Why don't you listen to George various accounts? They are available for all.

This mess and George's problems are far deeper than most of us understand. That's why his wife and parents are such enablers.

George has MUCH to prove.
Stop with your absurdities and your vile hatred sharon.
You already know, unlike you, I have listened to them and read them all.
That is why I know he is wrong, and why I know what you assert is wrong.
 
Stop with your absurdities and your vile hatred sharon.
You already know, unlike you, I have listened to them and read them all.
That is why I know he is wrong, and why I know what you assert is wrong.

George thought it was more important to buy two guns, two big dogs and a gym membership.. rather than paying his rent..

What a man.
 
George thought it was more important to buy two guns, two big dogs and a gym membership.. rather than paying his rent..

What a man.
There you go talking about things you don't really know. Gossip gossip. :doh

You don't have a clue.
 
George thought it was more important to buy two guns, two big dogs and a gym membership.. rather than paying his rent..

What a man.

That is rock-solid evidence there sharon... LMMFAO
 
Z's own stories themselves disproved him. Now, stop your repetitious and meaningless trolling.

Point blank and once again, it will show, you are ill prepared to discuss , the evidence

Do you have any witness who saw the start of the struggle that can refute Z's claim?
 
This entire case comes down to whether the jury finds GZ credible.
 
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