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Lawyer: Zimmerman prosecutor withheld evidence [W:600]

OscarB63 said:
as with everything else in this country...there is a definite "double standard" at work.

if GZ was black and TM had been hispanic, we'd have been treated to over a year of squeals that the only reason he was charged is because he was black.
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Sure are a lot of hypothetical race cards in this thread.
 
OscarB63 said:
more relevant than the smiling cherubic photos of a 12 y/o Trayvon that the media blasted for months after the case broke.
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Because if the victim smokes pot, the killer must be innocent? Maybe you can tell me how this would affect the trial...
 
A lawyer stepping forward to admit there may have been witness tampering is perhaps a sign the system is working to a degree. Many people may not believe this, but I think the truth almost always comes out in court. Unless, really good trial lawyers find a way to suppress the truth using the rules of evidence and procedure. Obviously corruption still exists but it is a dangerous and costly gamble if you get caught, usually.
 
OscarB63 said:
with that I can agree.
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Does that mean I can play hypotheticals too?

If Zimmerman was albino, conservatives would be howling for his blood!
 
clownboy said:
Unfortunately the process here has already been corrupted with "racial or political frustrations or passions" making justice it's victim. Either way it will be hard to trust the outcome in this light.
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the left with their false narrative of racism with the likes of race baiters Sharpton, Jackson, and the lap dog media either outcome of the trial will create major problems. either we put an innocent man in jail or we risk riots
 
zimmer said:
I just don't get this at all. I understand what is going on, and it's sick. This is supposed to be a process of justice, not a railroad job. Put all the facts on the table, let the lawyers argue their cases and let the jury decide.

How would you like to be Zimmerman, or someone else in similar shoes and have this happen?

Those who hide evidence should be subject to severe penalties and punishment.
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Oh SUUUUURE... we all know you are a Zimmer...man.

(meh... seemed funnier before I wrote down.)
 
Deuce said:
Are these photos relevant?
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Deuce said:
Because if the victim smokes pot, the killer must be innocent? Maybe you can tell me how this would affect the trial...
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I think his drug use, multiple school suspensions, being kicked out of his home, attempts to purchase guns illegally, etc. definitely goes toward his credibility. Trayvon Martin supporters certainly believe Zimmerman's conduct toward his ex-fiance is indicative to who he is, right?
 
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Deuce said:
Are these photos relevant?
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Yes. As I said in another thread, one of Zimmerman's first assessments of Martin is that he may have been on drugs (from the original 911 call) so exposing a history of drug use by Martin speaks to the possibility that such an assessment was warranted. That's important because so much of the defense case seems to be built on Zimmerman "profiling" Martin. The gun is less important because nothing so far suggests that Martin was armed.
 
Deuce said:
Does that mean I can play hypotheticals too?

If Zimmerman was albino, conservatives would be howling for his blood!
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except for the fact that my hypothetical is based on historical precedent.... :laughat:
 
Deuce said:
Are these photos relevant?
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Yes. They became relevent when the press decided to characterize him as an innocent school kid.
 
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Deuce said:
Are these photos relevant?
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if Martins past is not relevant then neither is Zimmermans. If the prosecution enters the 911 tape into evidence where Zimmerman says he thinks Martin is on drugs then the defense can enter that picture of him smoking pot and the pictures of the pot plants Martin had on his phone into evidence
 
Deuce said:
Because if the victim smokes pot, the killer must be innocent? Maybe you can tell me how this would affect the trial...
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Considering the jury doesn't get to hear that TM may have been stoned that night, and this whole incident revolves around poor judgement (on both their parts in my book) - yes, I believe it would affect the jury.
 
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clownboy said:
Yes. They became relevent when the press decided to characterize him as an innocent school kid.
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Those photos don't make him guilty. Not of anything that would really change how he was presented.
 
trfjr said:
if Martins past is not relevant then neither is Zimmermans. If the prosecution enters the 911 tape into evidence where Zimmerman says he thinks Martin is on drugs then the defense can enter that picture of him smoking pot and the pictures of the pot plants Martin had on his phone into evidence
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Depends. Relevant elements of the past are relevant. Not just any old thing you can dig up.
 
clownboy said:
Considering the jury doesn't get to hear that TM may have been stoned that night, and this whole incident revolves around poor judgement (on both their parts in my book) - yes, I believe it would affect the jury.
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But the poor judgment was largely by Zimmerman. What was Martins poor judgement? Walking? confronting the idiot following you might have been a poor choice in hindsight, but everything starts with an overzealous armed idiot. The really poor judgment was with Zimmerman.


One comment about race: would he have been followed if he was white? I've walked through a lot of neighborhoods and never been followed. We don't know for sure, but it is possible this was a walking while black case.
 
Boo Radley said:
But the poor judgment was largely by Zimmerman. What was Martins poor judgement? Walking? confronting the idiot following you might have been a poor choice in hindsight, but everything starts with an overzealous armed idiot. The really poor judgment was with Zimmerman.
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They both had bad judgement. Trayvon's would be not returning home instead approaching Zimmerman and assaulting him - breaking his nose and causing multiple wounds to his head and face. He could have been long gone from that area even before George had hung up with the police dispatcher... unless he had other plans.
 
Boo Radley said:
One comment about race: would he have been followed if he was white?
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given that the most recent crimes in the area had been committed by young black males....probably not.

I've walked through a lot of neighborhoods and never been followed.
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I've walked/driven through a lot of neighborhoods and have been followed on occasion. I was stopped by the cops on a couple of occasions for "driving while white" in a black neighborhood

We don't know for sure, but it is possible this was a walking while black case.
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more likely it was a case of "walking while fitting the profile of known criminals in the area"....who just happened to be young and black and male.
 
buck said:
They both had bad judgement. Trayvon's would be not returning home instead approaching Zimmerman and assaulting him - breaking his nose and causing multiple wounds to his head and face. He could have been long gone from that area even before George had hung up with the police dispatcher... unless he had other plans.
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Trayvon's first mistake was taking nearly an hour to walk home from a store that was less than a mile away. IF, as has been claimed, he was simply going to the store to get skittles for Chad Green why did it take him nearly an hour to do so? Clearly he was doing something other than simply making a trip to the store.
 
buck said:
They both had bad judgement. Trayvon's would be not returning home instead approaching Zimmerman and assaulting him - breaking his nose and causing multiple wounds to his head and face. He could have been long gone from that area even before George had hung up with the police dispatcher... unless he had other plans.
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I don't know if I agree with that. I'd certainly approach someone following me. And we don't really know how it all started, so the assault thing is more an assumption on your part. Just because Zimmerman was losing doesn't mean Martin started it. And I've been in plenty of fights with more damage than that. never had to shoot anyone over it. I think too many just want to excuse him. For me, you're going to need more. You're also making illogical assumptions about Zimmerman and what he may have been doing.
 
OscarB63 said:
Trayvon's first mistake was taking nearly an hour to walk home from a store that was less than a mile away. IF, as has been claimed, he was simply going to the store to get skittles for Chad Green why did it take him nearly an hour to do so? Clearly he was doing something other than simply making a trip to the store.
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Based on what Omara said.. I would guess he was looking to replenish his supply.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't know if I agree with that. I'd certainly approach someone following me. And we don't really know how it all started, so the assault thing is more an assumption on your part. Just because Zimmerman was losing doesn't mean Martin started it. And I've been in plenty of fights with more damage than that. never had to shoot anyone over it. I think too many just want to excuse him. For me, you're going to need more. You're also making illogical assumptions about Zimmerman and what he may have been doing.
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That's really it. I don't believe we should convict someone to life in prison because we aren't sure who started it.

The evidence supports Zimmerman's story. Trayvon had no injuries, no bruising on his arms indicating being grabbed. Zimmerman on the other hand had multiple injures including a likely broken nose.
 
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