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Defense attorneys ask judge to let jurors travel to scene of shooting during trial

Re: Defense attorneys ask judge to let jurors travel to scene of shooting during tria

They should have each juror carry a toy gun in their pocket, then have someone bang each juror's head into the edge of the concrete to determine how long each could hold out before reaching for the gun, which would be the only action that would make the headbanging stop. Screams, cries for help, no good, the head banging into the concrete edge continues until you reach for the gun.

Then, you will know both George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.
 
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radioman said:
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As a GZ supporter, you automatically assume TM initiated the altercation.
You don't know that...nor does anyone else....except GZ.
It will be settled in court.
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no one can know that except for GZ and TM. there is no way to prove TM did not initiate the altercation, which is one of the things the state must do to convict on murder 2
 
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ric27 said:
Wrong!
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But that darned poster, OscarB63, told me the initiator could use deadly force.
Less than accurate info on a thread?
I'm pretty disillusioned here....... I don't believe in nuthin' no more.
 
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radioman said:
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But that darned poster, OscarB63, told me the initiator could use deadly force.
Less than accurate info on a thread?
I'm pretty disillusioned here....... I don't believe in nuthin' no more.
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the problem is that your buddy, stardog, omitted the relevent portion of the statute when he quoted it. ;)


he only posted 776.041 and purposely left out paragraphs 1 and 2, which of course prove he is wrong :lamo
 
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shlunka said:
What an excellent, articulate, organized contrapuntal that displays the quoted post's fallacious nature. I commend you, fighter of reason and morals.
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Now, do your homework before posting
 
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OscarB63 said:
the problem is that your buddy, stardog, omitted the relevent portion of the statute when he quoted it. ;)


he only posted 776.041 and purposely left out paragraphs 1 and 2, which of course prove he is wrong :lamo
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Okay......my faith in anonymous internet posters is restored.
On the other hand......Darn that Stardog.
 
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radioman said:
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Okay......my faith in anonymous internet posters is restored.
On the other hand......Darn that Stardog.
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the truth will set you free. ;)
 
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OscarB63 said:
the problem is that your buddy, stardog, omitted the relevent portion of the statute when he quoted it. ;)


he only posted 776.041 and purposely left out paragraphs 1 and 2, which of course prove he is wrong :lamo
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No, you would need to know exactly what happened when the fight started, what exact blows were thrown, what exact force was used etc.
Which you've already admitted you don't know. :cool:
 
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Stardog said:
No, you would need to know exactly what happened when the fight started, what exact blows were thrown, what exact force was used etc.
Which you've already admitted you don't know. :cool:
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You keep spewing bull**** to save face

Read/study, the topic before posting

Again, you're dismissed
 
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Stardog said:
No, you would need to know exactly what happened when the fight started, what exact blows were thrown, what exact force was used etc.
Which you've already admitted you don't know. :cool:
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and yet again..you are wrong. you claimed that the aggressor is never allowed to use deadly force. sorry, sporto, but that just isn't true.
 
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OscarB63 said:
and yet again..you are wrong. you claimed that the aggressor is never allowed to use deadly force. sorry, sporto, but that just isn't true.
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I didn't say that. I simply quoted the statute.
 
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Stardog said:
I didn't say that. I simply quoted the statute.
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I've read the statute many times and it clearly states that based on the evidence that's known, Zimmerman's actions were justified whether he was the aggressor or not.
 
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radioman said:
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Why should TM accept anything random stranger GZ does?
TM has no idea GZ is any sort of police surrogate.
I agree with you on the jurors visiting the scene.
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I am not going to get into the :if" or why game beyond this response.
I mearly was replying to someone who stated what if situations with counter what if's.

Hopefully the trail will bring out what happened exactly that lead to the confrontation and shooting. Neither side shoold play the "if" game. Especially when the "if" is not based on any detailed knowledge of the minutes just prior.

what if TM allowed GZ to explain rather than fighting him? Only GZ knows the details.
 
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Stardog said:
No, you would need to know exactly what happened when the fight started, what exact blows were thrown, what exact force was used etc.
Which you've already admitted you don't know. :cool:
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and neither do you.
As I have stated the only living person who knows the detalls is GZ. Others may have bits of information, but the only living eye witness is GZ. Even the witness who was talking to TM on the phone did not see the altercation, nor did the witness hear everything exchanged between TM and GZ.

The rest is opinion and speculation by both sides of the TM/GZ debate.
 
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OscarB63 said:
and if TM doesn't punch GZ in the face, no one dies.
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If George did not follow, no punch.

George was the catalyst, not Trayvon. He chose to get out of his vehicle in hot pursuit.
 
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JackFrost said:
If George did not follow, no punch.

George was the catalyst, not Trayvon. He chose to get out of his vehicle in hot pursuit.
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I love how you Martin supporters play this game... I can play it too...


If Martin would have continued to his fathers house when he had the chance, instead of deciding to confront Zimmerman, no one dies.


Fun game, ain't it?
 
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JackFrost said:
If George did not follow, no punch.

George was the catalyst, not Trayvon. He chose to get out of his vehicle in hot pursuit.
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You don't have a clue on Florida self defense law at all.

Your view is legally retarded
 
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Grim17 said:
I love how you Martin supporters play this game... I can play it too...


If Martin would have continued to his fathers house when he had the chance, instead of deciding to confront Zimmerman, no one dies.


Fun game, ain't it?
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You lose the game.

Martin would have no one to confront if GZ stayed in his vehicle.

Police would have arrived, and no one dies if GZ waited for them.

As I said, GZ is the catalyst, not TM.

It all starts with GZ, and ends with GZ.
 
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ric27 said:
You don't have a clue on Florida self defense law at all.

Your view is legally retarded
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When you have to resort to personal attacks, you automatically lose an argument.

Dismissed:lol:
 
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JackFrost said:
If George did not follow, no punch.

George was the catalyst, not Trayvon. He chose to get out of his vehicle in hot pursuit.
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That is an undeniable fact that will be the framework of this trial.

If George waited until the police arrived he could give the description of Martin and then the police would have done nothing as no laws had been broken.

That is it.

You all are going to have to just wait until the trial to see this sorted out.
 
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Stardog said:
So let the jury hike for an hour and see what happens.
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No. Let a 17 year old of the same proportions show the jury.
 
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buck said:
What if.. What if... Waht if...
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Hmmm? I wonder?




radioman said:
The bottom line is----an armed man followed an unarmed kid and the kid ended up dead.
If Z doesn't follow TM, no one dies.
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That is not the bottom line.
Had Trayvon not acted out aggressively none of this would have happened.
That is the bottom line.

radioman said:
Well, what if GZ attempted to detain TM? ~ No evidence supports such an assertion.
What if GZ grabbed TM's arm? ~ No evidence supports such an assertion.
What if TM--in an actual stand-your-ground moment--fought back against a stranger accosting him? ~ No evidence supports such an assertion. Actually the evidence say quite the opposite.
What if GZ was losing the fight and shot TM? ~ No evidence supports such an assertion.
Very iffy situation.
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radioman said:
No...I'm suggesting that TM didn't know GZ was any sort of authority figure. ~ Doesn't matter.
I'm suggesting that GZ is as likely to have initiated contact as TM. ~ No evidence supports such an assertion. In all actuality the evidence says quite the opposite.
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radioman said:
I reiterate my problem with this case---armed man follows unarmed teenager, teenager dies.
Pretty tough to justify.
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The problem is of your own making as the evidence is pretty clear.


radioman said:
As a GZ supporter, you automatically assume TM initiated the altercation.
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No there is no automatic assumption. It is what the evidence says.
No matter if you accept DumDum's account or not, they both say Trayvon initiated the altercation.

My Gawd man!
Zimmerman had just passed by where Trayvon was hiding. Trayvon did not come out to approach or confront at that point.
He waited until Zimmerman turned around and was heading away from him before he came out of hiding to confront and attack Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's back was to Trayvon when Trayvon initiated the encounter.
Do you not understand that?




JackFrost said:
You lose the game.

Martin would have no one to confront if GZ stayed in his vehicle.

Police would have arrived, and no one dies if GZ waited for them.

As I said, GZ is the catalyst, not TM.

It all starts with GZ, and ends with GZ.
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Actually you lose the game as Zimmerman's actions were not only legal, but reasonable and prudent as well.
Trayvon's actions on the other hand, were not reasonable or prudent, but illegal.

So yeah, you would lose the game.
 
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JackFrost said:
You lose the game.

Martin would have no one to confront if GZ stayed in his vehicle.

Police would have arrived, and no one dies if GZ waited for them.

As I said, GZ is the catalyst, not TM.

It all starts with GZ, and ends with GZ.
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No, I'm affraid you're wrong... I don't lose.

That's because Zimmerman getting out of his truck to maintain a visual on Martin was not illegal, nor can it be sited as initiating a confrontation. What was illegal however, was Martin's physical attack on Zimmerman which again, would not have happened if Martin had continued to his fathers house.
 
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JackFrost said:
When you have to resort to personal attacks, you automatically lose an argument.

Dismissed:lol:
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You need some schooling....

Stand Your Ground says jack**** about avoiding a dangerous/perilous situation

Avoidance/avoiding a dangerous situation is just a theory and is not the law in Florida.
 
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