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Zimmerman Defense Motion For Sanctions Against The State

buck said:
No idea if he did or not. But regardless... TM was not running home in great fear for his life. He was doing something different.
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What was that?
 
spanky said:
What was that?
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I've already given two possibilities... but I have no real idea. I can only state as a fact that based on the evidence minus Dee's claim, he was not running home.
 
JackFrost said:
You are something:lol:

1. She will not be impeached, as it is immaterial.
2. The jury will not hear of it in the courtroom, as it is immaterial.
3. <Potential> jurors may hear of it now, that is the only reason O'Mara and West are making a big hoopla over nothing. This is their only option in a losing case.
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:doh
I see you are using your inability to understand what another has said to your favor again, huh? iLOL
#1 I did not say she would be impeached for that did I? No I didn't. I said "if" she is impeached.
Let me repeat it for you so you don't have to go looking.
"But if she is impeached, or the jury finds out she lied about these simple and immaterial things, their case becomes a hell of a lot harder that it already is."​
You have no idea if she will be impeached or not. Which really matters not as she already isn't a believable witness.

#2 It is immaterial to facts of the actual case, but it is not immaterial to her credibility.
She lied in reference to this case when she didn't have to. That is absolutely material. It will be coming in if she takes the stand.
Or didn't you know there is a difference between showing that someone is a liar and impeaching there testimony.



#3 Potential jurors? iLOL As it will be coming in, you are wrong.
 
spanky said:
It's apparent TM never made it although some allege he did get back and then backtracked to the T area, but I don't know what evidence this opinion is based upon.
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Yes you do. You already know it is alleged that he had more than enough time to do what it is he was supposedly doing - walking home.
He chose not to finish what he started, but instead attacked Zimmerman.


spanky said:
There is the apparent and curious missing time in Z's chronology of the event.
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Unless you are alleging some alien abduction, there is no missing time.
It has been explained to you previously.
Just because you think it should have taken a specific amount of time for him to do what he claims does not mean that it did not take more than you think.

There is no missing time.
Just stop with your ridiculous assertion.


spanky said:
She heard a lot and ALL OF IT will be admissible under hearsay rules.
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:doh
Is that what you think?
iLOL


spanky said:
If TM was going to ambush him it would have been during Z's first walk east down the pathway when his back was to him.
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No.
You do not know that.
If Trayvon did not think Zimmerman was in the optimal position for him to ambush him on his way to, then no he wouldn't have. Which appears to be the case, as he waited until he was on his way from.




JackFrost said:
A new attempt to get more money which will also be dismissed.

Since the defense team is working pro-bono, this money will go into Zimmerman's stomach. He really needs 4,500+ cheeseburgers.
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Are you again speaking about that which you do not know?
Say it ain't so joe.
 
OscarB63 said:
is this damn thing ever going to go to trial?
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No, just to antagonize you it wont.
It is going to remain in the hollows of DP for evvvvveeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
 
spanky said:
She heard a lot and ALL OF IT will be admissible under hearsay rules. If she's lying or has been coached, O'Mara will get to the bottom of it.
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Just use some common sense....

M was right by his papa's house and did not go in...

Again, M does not go into his dad's place when Z is out of view.

Why is that?

Clearly, M was in hiding to ambush Z.

It's not rocket science, dude
 
Excon said:
:doh
I see you are using your inability to understand what another has said to your favor again, huh? iLOL
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I see you are backpedaling faster than Bolt in the 100M dash:lamo

I know what you said Excon. You need not try to twist your own words to get out of this. You can't edit your post now:lol:
 
ric27 said:
Just use some common sense....

M was right by his papa's house and did not go in...

Again, M does not go into his dad's place when Z is out of view.

Why is that?

Clearly, M was in hiding to ambush Z.

It's not rocket science, dude
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You are right, it is not rocket science...

It is fantasy:lamo
 
JackFrost said:
I see you are backpedaling faster than Bolt in the 100M dash:lamo

I know what you said Excon. You need not try to twist your own words to get out of this. You can't edit your post now:lol:
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WTF?
What I said, and what you say I said, are two different things. That is obvious by the actual words.

So any back peddling is all yours as you do not even try to argue against my point of you being wrong.
 
JackFrost said:
You are right, it is not rocket science...

It is fantasy:lamo
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Why didn't he *M* call 911 *if* he was scared or fearful?

Once again...why didn't he go inside his dad's house, lock the door and call 911 if he was scared?
 
ric27 said:
Why didn't he *M* call 911 *if* he was scared or fearful?

Once again...why didn't he go inside his dad's house, lock the door and call 911 if he was scared?
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elementary....he wasn't scared. He had every opportunity to avoid GZ and go home. Instead he chose to stop and wait.
 
OscarB63 said:
elementary....he wasn't scared. He had every opportunity to avoid GZ and go home. Instead he chose to stop and wait.
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Why did he run in the first place? Did he need some exercise?
 
spanky said:
Why did he run in the first place? Did he need some exercise?
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who knows? there are any number of possible reasons he ran. (note: not saying TM was a criminal, just an example of why someone might run...why do criminals typically run when they see the cops? usually not because they are scared)

what the circumstances show is that "because he was scared of GZ" is not one of them. as I've said a zillion times here...if he was scared of GZ...he would not have stopped running and waited for GZ to catch up to him. IF he was that scared of GZ, he would have called the cops and not his friend.
 
JackFrost said:
You keep yapping about hearsay...what is it you are trying to argue? Hearsay evidence is inadmissible at trial?

W8's testimony, is in fact admissible at trial. So obviously, they will have her take the stand, give her testimony, and a jury will take it into consideration.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
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W8 wasn't there so her concocted interpretations of M's state of mind are useless. It is, the facts not what she *thinks*

It is what people saw/heard and, the actual physical evidence....aka direct evidence

W8's statements will be decimated at cross
 
OscarB63 said:
who knows? there are any number of possible reasons he ran. (note: not saying TM was a criminal, just an example of why someone might run...why do criminals typically run when they see the cops? usually not because they are scared)

what the circumstances show is that "because he was scared of GZ" is not one of them. as I've said a zillion times here...if he was scared of GZ...he would not have stopped running and waited for GZ to catch up to him. IF he was that scared of GZ, he would have called the cops and not his friend.
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And as others have pointed out a zillion times he may have stopped because he heard the car door open and didn't want Z knowing where he lived.

And 17 year old Miami Garden wannabees just don't call the cops unless someone is bleeding out on the street.
 
JackFrost said:
Why did he run?
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maybe he was up to no good and ran when he noticed that someone had spotted him?

if he was scared...why did he stop running? he was less than 100m from "home" and had lost GZ in the dark. had he kept moving, he'd have been home before GZ ever regained sight of him
 
ric27 said:
W8 wasn't there so her concocted interpretations of M's state of mind are useless. It is, the facts not what she *thinks*

It is what people saw/heard and, the actual physical evidence....aka direct evidence
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You were arguing how her testimony would not be admissible, implying hearsay evidence is not evidence or something. How about you address the fact you were WRONG first:lol:

ric27 said:
W8's statements will be decimated at cross
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Oh so now you are admitting the jury will be able to hear her testimony all of a sudden:lamo

You are a joke:lamo
 
spanky said:
And as others have pointed out a zillion times he may have stopped because he heard the car door open and didn't want Z knowing where he lived.
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yeah...he diudn't "live" there. he just stayed there on occasion. are you seriously suggesting that he was afriad GZ was going to follow him "home" and break in to do him harm?

And 17 year old Miami Garden wannabees just don't call the cops unless someone is bleeding out on the street.
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you are correct with this, wannabe thugs and punks typically don't call the cops
 
spanky said:
And as others have pointed out a zillion times he may have stopped because he heard the car door open and didn't want Z knowing where he lived.
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Unlikely on all accounts.
People run to what they believe is their safest place.
The place they are staying would be that safest place.
That is if they are running out of fear.
And not just leaving at a hurried pace that appears like skipping. You know, a hurried crip walk.
 
Excon said:
Unlikely on all accounts.
People run to what they believe is their safest place.
The place they are staying would be that safest place.
That is if they are running out of fear.
And not just leaving at a hurried pace that appears like skipping. You know, a hurried crip walk.
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So if you believed Zimmerman's tale on Hannity, you must also believe this was some divine event:lamo
 
JackFrost said:
So if you believed Zimmerman's tale on Hannity, you must also believe this was some divine event:lamo
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WTF?
Is that all you got? :lamo

Zimmerman explained what happened. Sorry you can't deal with the facts.

Which is totally separate from someone believing that this is according to what G_d has planned.
And if you believe in G_d, then you would have to believe that he allowed this to happen.
Which again is separate. You are acting like you do not understand that it is. Why is that?
 
Excon said:
Unlikely on all accounts.
People run to what they believe is their safest place.
The place they are staying would be that safest place.
That is if they are running out of fear.
And not just leaving at a hurried pace that appears like skipping. You know, a hurried crip walk.
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yes, crips are know for the incessant skipping.
 
spanky said:
yes, crips are know for the incessant skipping.
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The point was that he did not say he was skipping.
He said it appeared like a skip. Which does describe a crip walk.
 
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