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LLMPapa knox the **** off the cardboard BS "expert"[W; 398]

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dolphinocean said:
What? NO argument? You are not debating. Consider yourself dismissed.
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Besides just being more dishonesty from you, you were dismissed long ago.

The below quote is the argument against the bs you posted, and shows your bs for what it is. Bs!

"You can not actually show this happened anywhere in his interviews.
This is all taking place in your thoughts. No where else, but in your thoughts.
He hasn't been and wasn't caught in a bind. Trayvon attacked him and he relayed what happened.
His replies flowed freely and without hesitation.
He fully cooperated with out lawyering up, passed two lie detector tests (Serino's wording), his account matches up with the physical evidence and the other witnesses accounts."​
 
Re: LLMPapa knox the **** off the cardboard BS "expert"

Do you know what dismiss means?
 
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Obviously you do not understand what it means or why your arguments have been, and continually will be, dismissed.
 
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dolphinocean said:
Your intellectual dishonesty notwithstanding, there is never an agreement on my part on Zimmerman's impossible stories except to allow acceptance for the time being for argument's sake.

As I had pointed it out, even if we accept Zimmerman's claim that he was pinned down supine (not prone as you stated) on the ground with Trayvon mounting on his chest being pummeled in the face senselessly and head slammed into concrete more than a dozen times, the very fact per Zimmerman's account that after all these brutal attacks for a minute or more he was ever more alert and nimble than Trayvon was and that Trayvon had to desperately resort to the least effective measure of killing by suffocation that also went nowhere is just evidence a good prosecutor need to show that Trayvon was, by Zimmerman's own account, incapable of causing any serious bodily harm or posed a threat to Zimmerman's life if Zimmerman would just meet force with equal force.

Zimmerman didn't even do anything to encounter the attacks except doing his silly long distance shimmying act and putting a bullet straight through Trayvon's heart.

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As to his nose being broken, there was no evidence for that. There was only one tiny round scratch on the right side of the bridge of his nose that was already scabbed over when the picture was taken at SPD about 3 - 4 hrs later, which called into question the veracity of the finding since a blunt force trauma from the soft tissue of knuckles would only produce bruises and not tiny scratches. The only possibility of getting a scratch is from the finger nail. But, forensic evidence had already ruled that out since Trayvon's nail clippings from both hands had no DNA from Zimmerman.

Besides that, Trayvon was right-handed. If he had caused the scratch on Zimmerman's nose bridge, it would have been on the left.

So, either way, whether we go by Zimmerman's accounts or recognize his numerous lies and discrepancies in his self-defense claim, he has no ground whatsoever to justify killing of an unarmed teenager walking home from the store. His reckless behavior that night was the cause that led to his unjustified killing of Trayvon. And by that alone, in lieu of a valid self-defense claim, Zimmerman is at the very least guilty of reckless homicide or manslaughter charge.

To think he almost got away by courtesy of bill lee, Wolfgang and the cronies at SPD, it's outrageous. I consider them willing partners in murderous crimes.
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Dispose of your bias and hatred towards Z for a sec and just follow, the evidence

Again....follow the evidence....both legally and morally. M threw the first punch and what amounted to aggravated felonious assault was for M to keep hitting Z and slamming his head against concrete after he'd pinned Z to the ground on his back. M clearly won the fight and neutralized any non weapon threat from Z.

No speculation whatsoever.
 
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ric27 said:
Dispose of your bias and hatred towards Z for a sec and just follow, the evidence

Again....follow the evidence....both legally and morally. M threw the first punch and what amounted to aggravated felonious assault was for M to keep hitting Z and slamming his head against concrete after he'd pinned Z to the ground on his back. M clearly won the fight and neutralized any non weapon threat from Z.

No speculation whatsoever.
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Questioning Zimmerman's self-defense claim is now a hate crime? No speculation whatsoever? Really?


Then show me the evidence to your claim that Martin threw the first punch. Show me the evidence to your claim that Trayvon kept hitting Zimmerman and slamming his head against concrete without using Zimmerman's words as evidence.


Zimmerman had no legal ground to shoot an unarmed teenager when, by Zimmerman's own account, Trayvon was clearly incapable of causing him any serious bodily harm after one minute of pounding and slamming of head into the ground.


But, there was no proof whatsoever that Trayvon had attacked Zimmerman --no bruises or scratches on Travon's hands and no Zimmerman's blood or DNA on Trayvon's nail clippings, hands of sleeve cuffs.

However, there was one thumb tip size blood stain belonging to Zimmerman found on the inner shirt of Trayvon Martin. How did Zimmerman's blood find its way into the inner shirt of Trayvon who wore an outer hoodie jacket? Was he a child molester or what?
 
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dolphinocean said:
Questioning Zimmerman's self-defense claim is now a hate crime? No speculation whatsoever? Really?


Then show me the evidence to your claim that Martin threw the first punch. Show me the evidence to your claim that Trayvon kept hitting Zimmerman and slamming his head against concrete without using Zimmerman's words as evidence.


Zimmerman had no legal ground to shoot an unarmed teenager when, by Zimmerman's own account, Trayvon was clearly incapable of causing him any serious bodily harm after one minute of pounding and slamming of head into the ground.


But, there was no proof whatsoever that Trayvon had attacked Zimmerman --no bruises or scratches on Travon's hands and no Zimmerman's blood or DNA on Trayvon's nail clippings, hands of sleeve cuffs.

However, there was one thumb tip size blood stain belonging to Zimmerman found on the inner shirt of Trayvon Martin. How did Zimmerman's blood find its way into the inner shirt of Trayvon who wore an outer hoodie jacket? Was he a child molester or what?
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You and your crowd are simply hugely emotionally invested in Z being guilty, regardless of the evidence

Just a small legal warm up...

Do you have any witness or witnesses on the night of the shooting that Z had an opportunity to free himself and avoid using lethal force?

Do you have any witness or witnesses, the night of the shooting to refute that M broke Z's nose and slammed his head into concrete or was crying out for help?

*If* Z's injuries were self-induced or the result of falling first on his face and then on his back then where is the evidence to sustain or maintain that?

Now, the kicker

Do you believe beyond a reasonable doubt that Z wasn't acting in self defense out of a reasonable belief that he was in danger of serious bodily injury or death?
 
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ric27 said:
You and your crowd are simply hugely emotionally invested in Z being guilty, regardless of the evidence

Just a small legal warm up...

Do you have any witness or witnesses on the night of the shooting that Z had an opportunity to free himself and avoid using lethal force?

Do you have any witness or witnesses, the night of the shooting to refute that M broke Z's nose and slammed his head into concrete or was crying out for help?

*If* Z's injuries were self-induced or the result of falling first on his face and then on his back then where is the evidence to sustain or maintain that?

Now, the kicker

Do you believe beyond a reasonable doubt that Z wasn't acting in self defense out of a reasonable belief that he was in danger of serious bodily injury or death?
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Falsely accusing me of being "emotionally invested" for simply challenging Zimmerman's accounts is a cop out on your part.

Zimmerman is his own witness of how he could easily overcome Trayvon by effortlesly shimmying 40 to 50 feet with Trayvon mounting on top of him for a ride while all the time being punched in the face, head slammed against concrete for more than a dozen times until he felt like he was going to black out and then being smothered by Trayvon pressing hard on his mouth and nose without making a dent.

Through all these, yet Zimmerman was more alert, unusually aware of every single fine details and more nimble and quick in motor response than Trayvon was while being pinned down.

Sounds more like he was getting a rough massage than being attacked by some one while laying there doing nothing except for his silly shimmy act.

Zimmerman and you the supporter have to prove his claim that Trayvon broke his nose, not the other way around. Where's the hospital record with radiographic exam to prove his nose was broken? There wasn't any, of course because he didn't want to go to the hospital. Even if his nose was broken, that by itself doesn't prove it was caused by Trayvon. There are many ways a person can get a broken nose. You know that right?

We don't have to claim anything about injuries due to self-induced action or falling on the face. Like I said, my argument is based on Zimmerman's own accounts of the attack and the injuries he sustained. Even with all that given to him, he has just proven that Trayvon was incapable of causing him any serious bodily harm. What part of that don't you understand?

For this reason, Zimmerman has no ground whatsoever to resort to lethal force when clearly Zimmerman could easily overcome Trayvon force with force in a hand combat which he recklessly caused to happen in the first place by getting out of his car to chase an unarmed kid without just cause.
 
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ric27 said:
Dispose of your bias and hatred towards Z for a sec and just follow, the evidence

Again....follow the evidence....both legally and morally. M threw the first punch and what amounted to aggravated felonious assault was for M to keep hitting Z and slamming his head against concrete after he'd pinned Z to the ground on his back. M clearly won the fight and neutralized any non weapon threat from Z.

No speculation whatsoever.
dolphinocean said:
Questioning Zimmerman's self-defense claim is now a hate crime? No speculation whatsoever? Really?


Then show me the evidence to your claim that Martin threw the first punch. Show me the evidence to your claim that Trayvon kept hitting Zimmerman and slamming his head against concrete without using Zimmerman's words as evidence.


Zimmerman had no legal ground to shoot an unarmed teenager when, by Zimmerman's own account, Trayvon was clearly incapable of causing him any serious bodily harm after one minute of pounding and slamming of head into the ground.


But, there was no proof whatsoever that Trayvon had attacked Zimmerman --no bruises or scratches on Travon's hands and no Zimmerman's blood or DNA on Trayvon's nail clippings, hands of sleeve cuffs.

However, there was one thumb tip size blood stain belonging to Zimmerman found on the inner shirt of Trayvon Martin. How did Zimmerman's blood find its way into the inner shirt of Trayvon who wore an outer hoodie jacket? Was he a child molester or what?
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You can't answer my questions so you turn the table huh? Next time, take you own advice and stop speculating things you can't prove with evidence.
 
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dolphinocean said:
Falsely accusing me of being "emotionally invested" for simply challenging Zimmerman's accounts is a cop out on your part.

Zimmerman is his own witness of how he could easily overcome Trayvon by effortlesly shimmying 40 to 50 feet with Trayvon mounting on top of him for a ride while all the time being punched in the face, head slammed against concrete for more than a dozen times until he felt like he was going to black out and then being smothered by Trayvon pressing hard on his mouth and nose without making a dent.

Through all these, yet Zimmerman was more alert, unusually aware of every single fine details and more nimble and quick in motor response than Trayvon was while being pinned down.

Sounds more like he was getting a rough massage than being attacked by some one while laying there doing nothing except for his silly shimmy act.

Zimmerman and you the supporter have to prove his claim that Trayvon broke his nose, not the other way around. Where's the hospital record with radiographic exam to prove his nose was broken? There wasn't any, of course because he didn't want to go to the hospital. Even if his nose was broken, that by itself doesn't prove it was caused by Trayvon. There are many ways a person can get a broken nose. You know that right?

We don't have to claim anything about injuries due to self-induced action or falling on the face. Like I said, my argument is based on Zimmerman's own accounts of the attack and the injuries he sustained. Even with all that given to him, he has just proven that Trayvon was incapable of causing him any serious bodily harm. What part of that don't you understand?

For this reason, Zimmerman has no ground whatsoever to resort to lethal force when clearly Zimmerman could easily overcome Trayvon force with force in a hand combat which he recklessly caused to happen in the first place by getting out of his car to chase an unarmed kid without just cause.
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dolphinocean said:
You can't answer my questions so you turn the table huh? Next time, take you own advice and stop speculating things you can't prove with evidence.
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1 Why do you keep introducing alternatives and NOT produce any evidence of them?

2 Your sloppy/uncoordinated/incoherent alternatives with no evidence leads to reasonable doubt which leads to acquittal.

3 You cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Z provoked the actual physical confrontation that resulted in M's death.

Get over it

You have squat
 
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I wonder what a jury is going to think of the forensic evidence that shows the gunman was pulling Trayvon to him when he shot him.
 
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Stardog said:
I wonder what a jury is going to think of the forensic evidence that shows the gunman was pulling Trayvon to him when he shot him.
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There is no such forensic evidence of that.
 
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ric27 said:
1 Why do you keep introducing alternatives and NOT produce any evidence of them?

2 Your sloppy/uncoordinated/incoherent alternatives with no evidence leads to reasonable doubt which leads to acquittal.

3 You cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Z provoked the actual physical confrontation that resulted in M's death.

Get over it

You have squat
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1. When driven into a corner all you can do now is to deny Zimmerman's own accounts as presented here as evidence of them.

2. There are many ways to discredit Zimmerman's stories including forensic evidence of GSR, displaced bullet holes in Trayvon's two clothing to chest wound, the blood and DNA evidence or lack thereof, his minor injuries inconsistent with brutal attacks he described, Zimmerman's impossible acts, his reckless behavior and material discrepancies between his NEN call and his various contradicting statements, his past violent history, the screaming heard in a 911 call and much, much more.... Your attempt to dismiss all that isn't going to work.

3. The timeline, the unaccounted time, the location of Trayvon's body and debris field that contradicted Zimmerman's accounts that he was attacked at the T-juncton, etc ... etc... overwhelmingly defeated Zimmerman's claim of self-defense. That's why O'mara doesn't dare to go for the SYG hearing that would exornerate him from trial and civil liability if in fact he had a genuine self-defense case. When O'mara and his team have to go for a fishing expedition on the victim and the witness, doesn't that tell you something? Without the self-defense claim the only thing left is to face the undisputed fact that he followed Trayvon and then ended up shooting him dead. That alone is a reckless homicide or manslaughter. Add to the fact that Trayvon was physically incapable of causing serious bodily harm per Zimmerman's own description, therefore his use of lethal weapon to shoot and kill an unarmed minor who was not doing anything illegal but minding his own business and who was trying to flee from Zimmerman's reckless pursuit as evidence had shown, that certainly will qualify him for murder 2.

Burying your head in the sand and uttering "squat" ain't gonna carry the day.
 
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Zimmerman's unknown witness



Listen to the first part carefully.
 
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sharon said:
Zimmerman's unknown witness

[video=youtube;bZfk41IgRcA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bZfk41IgRcA[/video

Listen to the first part carefully.
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Yes sharon, listen very carefully.
Not once did any of these people attack Zimmerman and never once did he shoot any of them.


And the maker of that vid is an idiot. These folks are not character witnesses.
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dolphinocean said:
1. When driven into a corner all you can do now is to deny Zimmerman's own accounts as presented here as evidence of them.

2. There are many ways to discredit Zimmerman's stories including forensic evidence of GSR, displaced bullet holes in Trayvon's two clothing to chest wound, the blood and DNA evidence or lack thereof, his minor injuries inconsistent with brutal attacks he described, Zimmerman's impossible acts, his reckless behavior and material discrepancies between his NEN call and his various contradicting statements, his past violent history, the screaming heard in a 911 call and much, much more.... Your attempt to dismiss all that isn't going to work.

3. The timeline, the unaccounted time, the location of Trayvon's body and debris field that contradicted Zimmerman's accounts that he was attacked at the T-juncton, etc ... etc... overwhelmingly defeated Zimmerman's claim of self-defense. That's why O'mara doesn't dare to go for the SYG hearing that would exornerate him from trial and civil liability if in fact he had a genuine self-defense case. When O'mara and his team have to go for a fishing expedition on the victim and the witness, doesn't that tell you something? Without the self-defense claim the only thing left is to face the undisputed fact that he followed Trayvon and then ended up shooting him dead. That alone is a reckless homicide or manslaughter. Add to the fact that Trayvon was physically incapable of causing serious bodily harm per Zimmerman's own description, therefore his use of lethal weapon to shoot and kill an unarmed minor who was not doing anything illegal but minding his own business and who was trying to flee from Zimmerman's reckless pursuit as evidence had shown, that certainly will qualify him for murder 2.

Burying your head in the sand and uttering "squat" ain't gonna carry the day.
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M would be alive today....*if* M hadn't started the fracas and continued brutally beating Z including slamming his head repeatedly against the concrete sidewalk plus dominating Z pinning him down while on top him....while Z screaming repeatedly for help to eyewitness John

That's the evidence.....follow the evidence
 
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ric27 said:
M would be alive today....*if* M hadn't started the fracas and continued brutally beating Z including slamming his head repeatedly against the concrete sidewalk plus dominating Z pinning him down while on top him.... while Z screaming repeatedly for help to eyewitness John

That's the evidence.....follow the evidence
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Your description of Trayvon's attack, that's what Zimmerman claimed. The witness John had already recanted his account on the beating part.

Like I said, even if we accept Zimmerman's story that Trayvon had "started the fracas and continued brutally beating Z including slamming his head repeatedly against the concrete sidewalk plus dominating Z pinning him down while on top him....", there is no justification for Zimmerman to resort to the use of lethal weapon as clearly Trayvon was incapable of putting a dent on Zimmerman despite all that beating.

Again, what part of that don't you understand?
 
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dolphinocean said:
Your description of Trayvon's attack, that's what Zimmerman claimed. The witness John had already recanted his account on the beating part.

Like I said, even if we accept Zimmerman's story that Trayvon had "started the fracas and continued brutally beating Z including slamming his head repeatedly against the concrete sidewalk plus dominating Z pinning him down while on top him....", there is no justification for Zimmerman to resort to the use of lethal weapon as clearly Trayvon was incapable of putting a dent on Zimmerman despite all that beating.

Again, what part of that don't you understand?
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I believe the repeated screams for help and Florida law say otherwise.
 
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Grim17 said:
I believe the repeated screams for help and Florida law say otherwise.
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There is no proof the screams were from Zimmerman. If Zimmerman has Florida law on his side then O'mara would not have forego the stand your ground hearing.
 
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