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Zimmeman's Voice stress test.

Just a little point as I watch the video.

Z admits studying "computer stress analysis" in school at the beginning of the interview.

I can't find any computer stress analysis that isn't voice stress.

Considering how it is used in police departments, he may actually know they are effectively useless and inadmissable.

Now back to the video.

Not sure that matters. As you are aware, I never indicated that the VSA proves Zimm innocent.

The story George weaves matches all the evidence.. Evidence that he really wouldn't have known about - including the straight through shot and witness statements amongst others. It's a miracle, I guess.
 
That's bullcrap. He stalked the teen, corned him like an animal and then got his ass kicked. He initiated the confrontation. That's why he dropped the "stand your ground" defense.

If you go around starting fights while you're strapped, get beat up and then shoot the unarmed guy who kicked your ass, you deserve to go to jail for manslaughter. It's not self defense at that point.
Wrong!
You do not know the evidence.
There was no stalking. Not under a general definition or the legal one. Which would be why he wasn't charged with it. Or didn't you realize that?
And an attack is not a mutual confrontation.

And, as even Diasha says Trayvon had escaped Zimmerman's detection and then stated Trayvon verbally confronted Zimmerman first, there was no cornering.
And as we know by the evidence that it was Trayvon who approached Zimmerman first, Trayvon is the one who started what you call a fight, but was in all actuality an attack.

You are simply wrong and add nothing to this discussion.
 
The story George weaves matches all the evidence.. Evidence that he really wouldn't have known about - including the straight through shot and witness statements amongst others. It's a miracle, I guess.
It is funny how others do not appear to understand that?
I say they do, but chose to ignore in favor of their bias. Really? How could it be anything but purposeful choice or their bias not allowing them to see reality?
 
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Assuming that in his six years as a criminal justice student he wasn't aware of the fact that vsa is used to trick and intimidate.

From what we know of his upbringing he may very well have learned to lie effectively to avoid his mothers wrath. I did.
:doh

Excuses, excuses.
Anything not to believe that which is obviously the truth.
That is your bias.

First off, go back and listen to Serino ask him about his education and what it entailed. Your supposition is highly unlikely.

And VSA being used to trick and intimidate? It is used that way to get confessions. Not the truth.
Not to show that the person is not being deceptive.
He voluntary took them.
Cooperated the whole time. From the get, without lawyering up.
Besides witness #6, didn't know who saw what, or if anybody saw anything, and yet while cooperating fully and voluntarily, his account still was consistent with theirs.
Even after being told that it may have been caught on video, he stated he would be happy if it was.
Even after standing up to seasoned detectives questioning, trying to poke hole in what he said and trying to get him to admit he may have detained him ...
His account still adds up to self defense as Serino stated.

Yet you want to sit there and ignore all of that, even though it would sway anybody who could think logically, all because you you don't believe?
No. That is clearly your bias speaking and not common sense or logic.

And you thinking you are an accomplished liar, matters not to this discussion.
But it does place every damn thing you say into a new perspective.


:rolls eyes: Self admittance! :doh
 
Wrong!
You do not know the evidence.
There was no stalking. Not under a general definition or the legal one. Which would be why he wasn't charged with it. Or didn't you realize that?
And an attack is not a mutual confrontation.

And, as even Diasha says Trayvon had escaped Zimmerman's detection and then stated Trayvon verbally confronted Zimmerman first, there was no cornering.
And as we know by the evidence that it was Trayvon who approached Zimmerman first, Trayvon is the one who started what you call a fight, but was in all actuality an attack.

You are simply wrong and add nothing to this discussion.

And, you ignore the two most important facts: Trayvon was unarmed, and the 911 operator told Zimmerman to stand down and get back in his truck. He didn't listen. He was armed; Trayvon was not. He shot an unarmed man dead.

I know what I would vote if I sat on that jury.
 
And, you ignore the two most important facts: Trayvon was unarmed, and the 911 operator told Zimmerman to stand down and get back in his truck. He didn't listen. He was armed; Trayvon was not. He shot an unarmed man dead.
And again you are wrong on all accounts.

Trayvon was armed with his arms and fists. And used them to unjustly to instill fear of loss of life on the part of Zimmerman. So try again.

And the call-taker who had no authority to tell Zimmerman to do anything, did not give him an order to stand down, he didn't even suggest that at all.

He told him "we don't need you to do that", which ios only a suggestion. A suggestion that Zimmerman is under no obligation to follow. Yet he did.
Which if you had bothered to learn the evidence, you would have known. Zimmerman even replied 'OK", to the suggestion.


I know what I would vote if I sat on that jury.
Of course you do, because your bias forces you to ignore the evidence.
 
And, you ignore the two most important facts: Trayvon was unarmed, and the 911 operator told Zimmerman to stand down and get back in his truck. He didn't listen. He was armed; Trayvon was not. He shot an unarmed man dead.

I know what I would vote if I sat on that jury.

That's ridiculous.

You're evidently looking at this with a very prejudiced eye.

How can you avoid M committing A/B and then aggravated felony A/B on Z?
 
And again you are wrong on all accounts.

Trayvon was armed with his arms and fists. And used them to unjustly to instill fear of loss of life on the part of Zimmerman. So try again.

And the call-taker who had no authority to tell Zimmerman to do anything, did not give him an order to stand down, he didn't even suggest that at all.

He told him "we don't need you to do that", which ios only a suggestion. A suggestion that Zimmerman is under no obligation to follow. Yet he did.
Which if you had bothered to learn the evidence, you would have known. Zimmerman even replied 'OK", to the suggestion.
I'm not buying it. Zimmerman had a choice. He could have gotten back in his truck, called the cops. Him playing superhero is the reason for the confrontation. He brought it all on himself and then shot an unarmed man.


Of course you do, because your bias forces you to ignore the evidence.
No. I just don't see any reason to shoot an unarmed man...especially not one that Zimmerman stalked (hounded, followed or whatever you want to call what he did after he was told not to).
 
That's ridiculous.

You're evidently looking at this with a very prejudiced eye.

How can you avoid M committing A/B and then aggravated felony A/B on Z?

Is there any proof of this other than Zimmerman's word?

I see it as Zimmerman cornering Trayvon who then tried to escape a dangerous lunatic who was trying to corner him.
 
Is there any proof of this other than Zimmerman's word?

I see it as Zimmerman cornering Trayvon who then tried to escape a dangerous lunatic who was trying to corner him.

Z has pics *proof of his injuries and medical records plus an eyewitness who saw Z wrestling with M, when Z was on the bottom, struggling/fighting to get up.
 
Z has pics *proof of his injuries and medical records plus an eyewitness who saw Z wrestling with M, when Z was on the bottom, struggling/fighting to get up.

So? It doesn't address this: I see Zimmerman cornering Trayvon who then tried to escape a dangerous lunatic who was trying to corner him.

Some dude tries to block my path, I'm attacking him too. Wouldn't you?

THe minute Z put himself in Tray's path, he asked for trouble. You can't ask for trouble and then shoot an unarmed man. Capice?
 
It is funny how others do not appear to understand that?
I say they do, but chose to ignore in favor of their bias. Really? How could it be anything but purposeful choice or their bias not allowing them to see reality?

I wasn't certain on some things, as I was believing what was being represented. Once you see what George actually states and not what others are assuming.. I think it becomes fairly easy. Trayvon's position just before the shot, for one.
 
Is there any proof of this other than Zimmerman's word?

I see it as Zimmerman cornering Trayvon who then tried to escape a dangerous lunatic who was trying to corner him.

Trayvon had 3 minutes to get home.. heck he could have made it home even before Zimmerman was off the phone with the police.. How did he get cornered? Keep in mind, Deedee claims he was running and running.. So long and hard that he was so exhausted that he couldn't run anymore... Yet somehow.. made it 100 feet.
 
Trayvon had 3 minutes to get home.. heck he could have made it home even before Zimmerman was off the phone with the police.. How did he get cornered? Keep in mind, Deedee claims he was running and running.. So long and hard that he was so exhausted that he couldn't run anymore... Yet somehow.. made it 100 feet.

Interesting. Maybe he had reason not to lead Z to his home.
 
Trayvon had 3 minutes to get home.. heck he could have made it home even before Zimmerman was off the phone with the police.. How did he get cornered? Keep in mind, Deedee claims he was running and running.. So long and hard that he was so exhausted that he couldn't run anymore... Yet somehow.. made it 100 feet.

George Zimmerman had more than three minutes to walk back to his truck and meet with police after he admitted to following Trayvon Martin and being informed by dispatch they did not need him to follow. George Zimmerman replies "okay"....yet somehow....traveled zero feet...even moved away from his vehicle...allegedly toward the other side of the T intersection.
 
So? It doesn't address this: I see Zimmerman cornering Trayvon who then tried to escape a dangerous lunatic who was trying to corner him.

Some dude tries to block my path, I'm attacking him too. Wouldn't you?

THe minute Z put himself in Tray's path, he asked for trouble. You can't ask for trouble and then shoot an unarmed man. Capice?

Enough with playing games...

Where's the evidence that would justify M’s physical attack on Z?
 
George Zimmerman had more than three minutes to walk back to his truck and meet with police after he admitted to following Trayvon Martin and being informed by dispatch they did not need him to follow. George Zimmerman replies "okay"....yet somehow....traveled zero feet...even moved away from his vehicle...allegedly toward the other side of the T intersection.

?

Where's the evidence that would justify M’s physical attack on Z?
 
Interesting. Maybe he had reason not to lead Z to his home.

Dee never claimed that. She said he was so scared, he was almost home and the only reason he wasn't running was he was tired out. Running a little more than 100 feet in 3 minutes... is that real tiring to you? If not, then maybe you have to start wondering if there is something deedee left out and what her motivations were for leaving that out.
 
Enough with playing games...

Where's the evidence that would justify M’s physical attack on Z?
Where's the evidence stating Z didn't attack M. Already Z ignored the 911 dispatcher, who told him to head back to his vehicle. So, for all we know, he initiated the confrontation.
 
Dee never claimed that. She said he was so scared, he was almost home and the only reason he wasn't running was he was tired out. Running a little more than 100 feet in 3 minutes... is that real tiring to you? If not, then maybe you have to start wondering if there is something deedee left out and what her motivations were for leaving that out.

Who knows. Why should Trayvon need to justify his actions? He was minding his own business, heading back from the store, when some creep started following him. Trayvon had every right to walk in circles if he chose to. Z had no right to confront him---especially after being told to go back to his damned truck.

What part of this do you not understand?
 
George Zimmerman had more than three minutes to walk back to his truck and meet with police after he admitted to following Trayvon Martin and being informed by dispatch they did not need him to follow. George Zimmerman replies "okay"....yet somehow....traveled zero feet...even moved away from his vehicle...allegedly toward the other side of the T intersection.

Actually.. He didn't. If you watch the video in the OP (adn this matches his reenactment), you will find that Zimm did not start walking back until after he had hung up with NEN. So trayvon had at least a 90 second head start on Zimmerman (from the point Z said he ran/he's gone until the call is hung up) and only managed to run about 100 feet.

So, assuming Z is telling the truth.. He had less than 1 minute 20 seconds to get back to his truck - not the three minutes you claimed. I say less then 1 min 20 sec because there had to be a moment where the helps started and the 911 call occured. So.. If I had to guess it was probably about 50 seconds (leaves 30 seconds for the individual to recognize the danger and call 911) - but that is only a guess.

This is when he starts walking back:
1915:23 Approximate time call with Zimmerman ends

This is time of first 911 call:
1916:43 911 call placed by (blacked out name) where Zimmerman is heard screaming for help
 
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Who knows. Why should Trayvon need to justify his actions? He was minding his own business, heading back from the store, when some creep started following him. Trayvon had every right to walk in circles if he chose to. Z had no right to confront him---especially after being told to go back to his damned truck.

What part of this do you not understand?

The part where T has the right to break someones nose. But, I think you may be missing the point. Whatever Trayvon really did... Deedee does not want to say it... What do you think it could be that would make deedee not want to say it? If he was just hiding, she woul dhave said that. If he was doing something a bit more agressive, she would not want to say that. What we do know, is that he was obviously not running so fast and hard (as dee claimed) to make it home.
 
The part where T has the right to break someones nose. But, I think you may be missing the point. Whatever Trayvon really did... Deedee does not want to say it... What do you think it could be that would make deedee not want to say it? If he was just hiding, she woul dhave said that. If he was doing something a bit more agressive, she would not want to say that. What we do know, is that he was obviously not running so fast and hard (as dee claimed) to make it home.

I don't know that. And, neither do you. The store is not 100 feet from his home. If the argument has merit, then the defense attorneys will make a big deal of it. If not, then not.
 
I don't know that. And, neither do you. The store is not 100 feet from his home. If the argument has merit, then the defense attorneys will make a big deal of it. If not, then not.

We do know that it was 100 feet from where Zimmerman said Trayvon started running (and from what I have read this matches with what Dee stated) to where the body was. Deedee said he was too tired to run anymore.. I guess 100 feet in 3 minutes was just too far for him.
 
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We do know that it was 100 feet from where Zimmerman said he started running (and from what I have read this matches with what Dee stated) to where the body was. Deedee said he was too tired to run anymore.. I guess 100 feet was just too far for him.

Why did Zimmerman start running after Trayvon? Should he not have returned to his truck?
 
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