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Jose Baez Comments On Zimmerman Case

George told Serino and the NEN operator that Trayvon ran.. He told Hannity that he leisurely skipped.

We already had this conversation sharon... What do you do, wait until you think enough time has elapsed after your assertions are shown to be bogus, then post them again and pretend they were never shot down in the first place?
 
"Unfirtunately" .. for you, they are.






According to the evidence.

You consider Zs narrative as evidence with the reliability of DNA.

I do not.

I consider it wise to consider suspect the testimony of a suspect whose testimony is the only evidence of his innocense.

You.choose to accept the suspects.word as.gospel.from the gate.

I told you long ago I'm more interested in figuring out what really happened as opposed to what a prosecutor can prove.

You want your hero to win.

Completely different perspectives.
 
We already had this conversation sharon... What do you do, wait until you think enough time has elapsed after your assertions are shown to be bogus, then post them again and pretend they were never shot down in the first place?

You would not say that unless you had NOT listened to George's interviews with Serino and Singleton and his interview with Hannity.
 
You would not say that unless you had NOT listened to George's interviews with Serino and Singleton and his interview with Hannity.

Do you not remember me addressing this topic about a week or so ago?

Let me refresh your memory:

Time for some logic and simple common sense here... The word "running" is a general, unspecific term that's used to describe when a person travels fast enough on foot that they break out of a walking stride. Unless a person is describing or attaching intent or motive for the persons actions, the term is often used to describe someone who is sprinting, shuffling, jogging, racing, or skipping... Basically it's the preferred, generic term used to label the actions of someone who has purposely increased their foot speed, especially when it's for the purpose of fleeing an area more rapidly.

When Zimmerman was on the phone with police, as well as when he was interviewed by them, the issue of Martin's motive or intent for fleeing was not at issue, so using the generic term "running" to describe his actions more than sufficed. By the time Zimmerman was interviewed by Hannity, that was no longer the case. At that point, Martin's state of mind and motives for fleeing had become an issue, making the general term "running" too broad a term to describe the manner in which Martin fled. What Zimmerman did was use the more defined term "skip" to describe how Martin fled, because it better attested to the level of urgency behind his fleeing.

Zimmerman's using a different, more specific term to describe the manner in which Martin fled, wasn't an inconsistency at all, but rather a necessary clarification designed to better establish Martin's motives, his state of mind at the time, and so that people don't make false assumptions or come to an incorrect conclusion about the level of urgency that he showed.

In other words sharon, your nit-picking meaningless BS attempting to create evidence since no actual evidence that Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense exists.
 
Do you not remember me addressing this topic about a week or so ago?

Let me refresh your memory:



In other words sharon, your nit-picking meaningless BS attempting to create evidence since no actual evidence that Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense exists.

Serino ASKED GZ HOW was he running.. Was he jogging or running flat out.

You have to find out the facts .. and then live with them. George deflects questions with commentary, projection and tangents. I suspect that's why he's been in so much trouble in the past and couldn't finish school or keep a decent grade point average... and the reason he wanted to be NW and ignore NW protcols and training.

Men who do this consistently are passive aggressive and have low self esteem.. Carrying a gun for this sort of man is compensation ...
 
Based upon the evidence presented, you are not really sure one way or the other if Z is guilty or innocent.

Correct?

Incorrect.

Based on the evidence so far, I believe George Zimmerman will be found guilty of Murder in the Second Degree. May God have mercy on his soul.
 
Based on the known evidence, there's no judge required here... It's simple common sense.

If there's not one shred of evidence that indicates George Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense according to the law, it's a no-brainer for everyone... He's not guilty... Anyone who says he is guilty, is putting their ideological agenda before the truth.

Okay Internet judge/lawyer/psychic :lol:
 
According to Zimmerman.

I do not believe Zimmerman.

I do not believe M attacked him an tried to beat him to death. If stuff turns up about Ms past, that opinion may change.

But the "Poor lil George barely escaped with his life from the big bad 17 year old." bit is completely unbelievable at this point

The law in Florida will probably let him off, but you have yet to present a valid reason to believe what Z said.

You consider Zs narrative as evidence with the reliability of DNA.

I do not.

I consider it wise to consider suspect the testimony of a suspect whose testimony is the only evidence of his innocense.

You.choose to accept the suspects.word as.gospel.from the gate.

I told you long ago I'm more interested in figuring out what really happened as opposed to what a prosecutor can prove.

You want your hero to win.

Completely different perspectives.

It isn't just Zimmerman.
It is the evidence in toto.

And the fact that everything points to his account being believable.
That is what you do not seem to understand.
The circumstances surrounding his account make it believable.
Circumstances that you would not get if he were lying.
You do not seem to understand that.

And spare me your absurd hyperbole, it is the evidence that supports my position, not belief like yours.
 
LMAO... You are the most dishonest individual hawke.



Your response seems to be missing something hawke... It's missing any evidence that proves that Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense according to Florida law, when he shot Travon Martin...

Why is that hawke?

My response is missing nothing. You made a thread a couple days ago specifically for me where I provided all the evidence supporting my prediction.
 
We already had this conversation sharon... What do you do, wait until you think enough time has elapsed after your assertions are shown to be bogus, then post them again and pretend they were never shot down in the first place?

The complete nonnsense of the idea thatd Z could judge someones fear level by the way they run, is about as bad as the preconception that the only fear response is retreat.
 
Incorrect.

Based on the evidence so far, I believe George Zimmerman will be found guilty of Murder in the Second Degree. May God have mercy on his soul.

You could be right, but believe you are wrong. All boils down to forensic evidence. Not emotion or ideology.

A jury will determine "guilt beyond reasonable doubt" as to whether a murder occurred. Evidence just does not support that. At least with what we know at this point.
 
You could be right, but believe you are wrong. All boils down to forensic evidence. Not emotion or ideology.

A jury will determine "guilt beyond reasonable doubt" as to whether a murder occurred. Evidence just does not support that. At least with what we know at this point.

There are powerful reasons why vigilantism undermines law and order, and these reasons are being forgotten or marginalized by some citizens in our country right now....
 
According to Zimmerman.

I do not believe Zimmerman.

The physical evidence from Martin and Zimmerman indicates that Zimmerman was physically assualted and Martin was not. The only injuries found on Martin's body were scratches on his knuckles and the gun shot, while we all know the injuries to Zimmerman.

In other words there is no physical evidence indicating Zimmerman struck Martin, but plenty of evidence indicating Martin is the one who assaulted Zimmerman, which supports the story of events Zimmerman told police. Of course that may not be the case, but since there are no witnesses, the evidence is all there is to go on.

I do not believe M attacked him an tried to beat him to death. If stuff turns up about Ms past, that opinion may change.

But the "Poor lil George barely escaped with his life from the big bad 17 year old." bit is completely unbelievable at this point

Based on the recordings of the 911 calls from that night, Zimmerman was heard screaming for help 14 times. Think about that.


The law in Florida will probably let him off, but you have yet to present a valid reason to believe what Z said.

Let me say this... There hasn't been a valid reason presented thus far, that would lead me to believe that he was lying about the events that took place from the time of the confrontation, until he fired the gun.
 



It isn't just Zimmerman.
It is the evidence in toto.

And the fact that everything points to his account being believable.
That is what you do not seem to understand.
The circumstances surrounding his account make it believable.
Circumstances that you would not get if he were lying.
You do not seem to understand that.

And spare me your absurd hyperbole, it is the evidence that supports my position, not belief like yours.

Can't stand in the way of true love.

And it's blind too.
 
There are powerful reasons why vigilantism undermines law and order, and these reasons are being forgotten or marginalized by some citizens in our country right now....

You seem to be tipping your hand. This case isn't about your ideology or precious righteousness. The event is to be judged on it's specific details. Which are clouded at best....
 
Okay Internet judge/lawyer/psychic :lol:

Read the law hawke, and then you tell me what evidence exists that proves Zimmerman wasn't legally acting in self defense...

The truth is hawke, there is nothing to disprove it... Nothing at all... As your inability to come up with anything proves.
 
The physical evidence from Martin and Zimmerman indicates that Zimmerman was physically assualted and Martin was not. The only injuries found on Martin's body were scratches on his knuckles and the gun shot, while we all know the injuries to Zimmerman.

In other words there is no physical evidence indicating Zimmerman struck Martin, but plenty of evidence indicating Martin is the one who assaulted Zimmerman, which supports the story of events Zimmerman told police. Of course that may not be the case, but since there are no witnesses, the evidence is all there is to go on.



Based on the recordings of the 911 calls from that night, Zimmerman was heard screaming for help 14 times. Think about that.




Let me say this... There hasn't been a valid reason presented thus far, that would lead me to believe that he was lying about the events that took place from the time of the confrontation, until he fired the gun.

I still think the gun came into view at the very beginning and the were struggling over the gun, BOTH believing their lives were in danger.

So either one could have been screaming. We have no.samples of Ms voice. The official.tests.wre inconclusive. Not evidence anyway.
 
Can't stand in the way of true love.

And it's blind too.
Why are you telling us now why your beliefs are so biased? Especially when you could have been honest and said so from the start?
 
My response is missing nothing. You made a thread a couple days ago specifically for me where I provided all the evidence supporting my prediction.

Yes I did, but not one single thing you dreamed up shows Zimmerman's actions weren't legal self defense under Florida law.
 
The complete nonnsense of the idea thatd Z could judge someones fear level by the way they run, is about as bad as the preconception that the only fear response is retreat.

Come on... I expected better from you.

When a person is in fear for their safety, the RUN... They don't skip, jog or shuffle along... They haul ass
 
You could be right, but believe you are wrong. All boils down to forensic evidence. Not emotion or ideology.

A jury will determine "guilt beyond reasonable doubt" as to whether a murder occurred. Evidence just does not support that. At least with what we know at this point.

That's a nice bit of reasoning and common sense, but I'm affraid your waisting it on hawke.
 
Yes I did, but not one single thing you dreamed up shows Zimmerman's actions weren't legal self defense under Florida law.

Now why are you being dishonest grim? You know I did not "dream" up anything:roll:
 
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