George Zimmerman sues NBC over Trayvon Martin reports

hawke812 said:

NEN Phone Call

Thugboat: This guy, he looks like he is up to no good…

or he’s on drugs or something…

it’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about

NEN Dispatcher: Okay this guy, is he white, black or hispanic?

Thugboat: He looks black

NBC

Thugboat: This guy looks like he is up to no good

(Pause)

Thugboat: He looks black

I believe NBC did Thugboat a favor. The original NEN call makes him appear racist. The edited one, not so much.

I predict the case will be dismissed easily.

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How is it that you think the 1st example shows him to be racist and not the 2nd example?

Care to articulate at ALL?

Also...why are you calling him "Thugboat" ?

Caine said:

How is it that you think the 1st example shows him to be racist and not the 2nd example?

Care to articulate at ALL?

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For starters, I did not say it "does not make him appear racist at all", I said "not so much". It is what NBC removed that makes their call less offending.

Thugboat: This guy, he looks like he is up to no good…

in conjunction with the following:

Thugboat: or he’s on drugs or something…

Thugboat: it’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about

You see someone on the street, assume he is on drugs for walking and looking about? That is racist:lol:

And Thugboat was his Myspace handle.

hawke812 said:

For starters, I did not say it "does not make him appear racist at all", I said "not so much". It is what NBC removed that makes their call less offending.

Thugboat: This guy, he looks like he is up to no good…

in conjunction with the following:

Thugboat: or he’s on drugs or something…

Thugboat: it’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about

You see someone on the street, assume he is on drugs for walking and looking about? That is racist:lol:

And Thugboat was his Myspace handle.

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I have to ask then....

Are you seeing what he is seeing?

Why would you assume to know what mannerisms and other observations are being made from a short description such as "walking around and looking about".

I can't find the youtube video anymore.... I posted it in another thread on the Zimmerman issue a while back, but anyways, there is this video I watched of a guy "Robo Tripping" who was also just "walking and looking about" but it was the MANNER in which he was doing so that would cause nearly ANYONE to assume that he was on drugs or something.


I fail to see why assuming someone is on drugs from what you observe about them is immediately assumed racist by someone else.


Also... why would you address him by his "Myspace handle"..... what level of adult discourse does that add to this conversation?

Caine said:

I have to ask then....

Are you seeing what he is seeing?

Why would you assume to know what mannerisms and other observations are being made from a short description such as "walking around and looking about".

I can't find the youtube video anymore.... I posted it in another thread on the Zimmerman issue a while back, but anyways, there is this video I watched of a guy "Robo Tripping" who was also just "walking and looking about" but it was the MANNER in which he was doing so that would cause nearly ANYONE to assume that he was on drugs or something.


I fail to see why assuming someone is on drugs from what you observe about them is immediately assumed racist by someone else.


Also... why would you address him by his "Myspace handle"..... what level of adult discourse does that add to this conversation?

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that's quite legitimate, to refer to someone they have used themself as a personal reference
just as it is legitimate to refer to trayvon martin as NO_LIMIT_NIGGA because that was the facebook name he called himself

Caine said:

I have to ask then....

Are you seeing what he is seeing?

Why would you assume to know what mannerisms and other observations are being made from a short description such as "walking around and looking about".

I can't find the youtube video anymore.... I posted it in another thread on the Zimmerman issue a while back, but anyways, there is this video I watched of a guy "Robo Tripping" who was also just "walking and looking about" but it was the MANNER in which he was doing so that would cause nearly ANYONE to assume that he was on drugs or something.


I fail to see why assuming someone is on drugs from what you observe about them is immediately assumed racist by someone else.


Also... why would you address him by his "Myspace handle"..... what level of adult discourse does that add to this conversation?

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It was not just "walking around and looking about":lol:

All of it in conjunction with each other.

1. Thugboat: This guy, he looks like he is up to no good…

2. Thugboat: or he’s on drugs or something…

3. Thugboat: it’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about


And yes, I am seeing what he is seeing. Zimmerman and I are extremely similar in real life. In his place, the only reason I would have made that call would be due to my racism & profiling black youth.

Also, Trayvon has been referred to as his twitter handle many times on this site. Just a kind of being facetious in the same way.

Caine said:

However, if you attribute him saying someone is "Up to no good, he is black" in the manner NBC did, it INFERS that the individual believes that the person is "up to no good" simply BECAUSE they are "black". In the end.... the information "he is black" was not offered as SUPPORTING EVIDENCE of someone being up to no good (like NBC led people to believe) but it was elicited in the form of a question from the dispatcher of what the race of the subject was. HUGE difference.

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Actually, you misquoted zimmerman. He didn't say "he is black". He said, "He looks black".
But, I can't sit here and start accusing you of "doctoring" out the word "looks" and then substituted it with the word "is" to make zimmerman looks bad. I can't prove it so I have to give you the benefit of a doubt that there is always a possibility of honest mistake.

Now, let's see. If you witnessed an unknown guy loitering around your neighbor's window and called police. Are you a racist if you report what you actually saw as follows?

Scenario 1:

Police: Sanford police dept, what is your problem?

You: Hi police, I saw a guy loitering around my neighbor's window. He looks like he up to something not good.

[Then you got a good look at the guy as he was turning around making sure no one was watching...]

You: He looks Asian.

Scenario 2:

You lived near the border in south Texas.

Police: Texas border patrol, what's your problem?

You: Hi police, I just saw a guy hiding behind some bushes near the border. I think he's up to no good. He looks Hispanic.

Scenatio 3:

You called police to report a possible car break-in

Police: Lunitoon police dept, what's your problem?

You: Police, I saw a guy with some tools standing by my neighbor's car. I think he's up to no good. He looks late teen. Well, now I see better... he looks like a young woman.

So, in the end.... would you conclude that the information "he looks black" or "he looks Asian" or "he looks late teen" or "he looks like a young woman" necessarily means that you are racist or age-ist or sex-ist?

Does it make any difference whether the dispatcher elicited it in the form of a question or not, versus you just offering it up as you see it? And does it make any hugh difference whether NBC edited out the dispatcher question as compared to when no such question was asked?

Caine said:

Most adults in America can look at a person and make a GUESS as to whether that person is on drugs based upon the actions and mannerisms they are observing. I always assumed that he had observed something which led him to such a conclusion... its rather common.

Its not common for someone to say, "This person is up to no good they are black!!!!!"

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If it's common for people to make a "GUESS" as to whether that person is on drug based on actions and mannerism, why is it not common for people to make a guess as to the race if the skin color and facial feature is so obvious?

Then again, you are misquoting zimmerman's words by stringing two sentences together as if he said it in one sentence under the same breath. There were about two to three sentences with the dispatcher's question running in between before he said, "He looks black". And not "they are black".

Here's the actual recording of the pertinent part:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good.

Or he’s on drugs or something.

It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

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So, you are very prone to editing out words and substituting words to misquote what zimmerman actually said despite this heightened awareness of such editing problem as with this NBC case. You are not limited by space or time to present the actual words zimmerman said in your quotes. Yet, you are sitting here griping about NBC for editing out a sentence from the media slot of 1 minute 24 seconds?

Like I said before, and I repeat:

What people were upset about wasn't this editing (until someone brought it out). What upset most people were his muffling under his breadth when he said the word which people thought was a racial slur "coon" or something like that. And also his description of Trayvon as on drugs and up to no good followed by "these asshole they always get away..." as he ran after him.

Here's the brief history:

From March 7 this case started to be covered by mainstream media starting from Reuters.

On March 16 SPD released the full audio of zimmerman's call to the police non-emergency line to the public. Anybody can assess this zimmerman's "911" audio recording in full without edit. Soon thereafter the audio release was made available by mainstream media and on the web. Not long after Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had already come out of the woodwork for mass demonstration and calling zimmerman a racist.

On March 19 the first thread in debatepolitics about this case was started by a poster and debated intensively ever since. The first post (the OP) talked about Zimmerman's call to the SPD dispatcher. On the same day a poster posted that he just listened to Zimmerman's 911 call. A link to the 911 call was also provided in the post. At this point NBC had not yet come out with their shortened version. By the time NBC came out with their edited eversion more than a week later, most people around the world had already heard the original unedited audio release (except the redacted private info by SPD).

Also. by this time people who heard the full version of the audio recording already made up their mind about zimmerman's racism. By this time Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had already come out of the woodwork for mass demonstration and calling zimmerman a racist. You should know all these cause you were one of the earliest poster in this first thread.

Of hot contention since the first zimmerman thread was started was not about zimmerman saying "He looks black" because everybody who heard the audio knew the dispatcher asked him about the race. It was a racial slur of “****ing coons” that people thought he muttered under his breath as he chased after Trayvon with the words, "These assholes they always get away". These alleged racial terms were debated ad nauseam for weeks and months to come long before NBC issue became a problem.

By March 26, the first zimmerman thread had reached 198 pages with 1977 posts that warranted the thread closed by a global moderator. Whatever people had of zimmerman was basically carved in stone. http://www.debatepolitics.com/zimme...od-watch-volunteer-feel-betrayed-law-198.html

By the time NBC released the eidted version, which was March 27, a lot of people who were initially against zimmerman and viewed him as racists had switched side for good. People like MaggieD, Goshim and multi were some of them. NBC then became the poster child for those who viewed all mainstream media giant as bias and heavy handed on a helpless zimmerman. This actually drove pro-zimmerman folks to donate their monies to the cause of zimmerman defense fund. So, it can be said that zimmerman actually benefited from NBC's blunder to his financial advantage.

NBC's blunder was not immediately notice until someone made issue out of it and it was then reported by other mainstream media in early April.

NBC Launches Internal Investigation Of Misleadingly Edited Zimmerman 911 Call | Mediaite

The case didn't pick up steam for several month until now in December when, lo behold, zimmerman is strap for cash and the lawsuit becomes very handy.

What zimmerman want in this lawsuit is to squeeze some more money on whoever he can get to feed his severely bloated composure that kept running dry. If NBC would diligently do their homework, they can win this lawsuit laying down. After all, zimmerman's reputation as a racist was already set in stone way before NBC did anything. What NBC later did only served to drive more people to throw away their monies into the coffers of zimmerman's so-called defense fund. It's all about money and bloated greed.

justabubba said:

that's quite legitimate, to refer to someone they have used themself as a personal reference
just as it is legitimate to refer to trayvon martin as NO_LIMIT_NIGGA because that was the facebook name he called himself

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Get serious....

The complaint filed in the 18th Judicial Circuit says....GEORGE ZIMMERMAN v. NBC UNIVERSAL MEFIA, LLC and others

There's no mention of "Thugboat"

ric27 said:

Get serious....

The complaint filed in the 18th Judicial Circuit says....GEORGE ZIMMERMAN v. NBC UNIVERSAL MEFIA, LLC and others

There's no mention of "Thugboat"

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absolutely serious
did george zimmerman use "thugboat" as his name on his myspace account
then why is it unacceptable to use it to refer to him

just as referring to you as ric27 or me as justabubba is appropriate as that is what we have chosen to be known as
just like travon martin chose to be known as NO_LIMIT_NIGGA

Not on topic but if any of DP's oldtimers,that have seen a picture of TOT... put some weight on him, plus a few years; Zimmerman is our TOT.He's nutty enough to pull some **** like this as well.