Video comparing what John told Fox News and what Zimmerman said in his reenactment

buck · Oct 21, 2012

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spanky said:
And yet we have this article dated Oct 16th.

Read more at George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin Family to Change Florida

There is no such thing as a SYG statute, it's the Justifiable Use of Force Statute that includes self defense and what are commonly referred to as the Castle Doctrine and STG all of which benefit from the immunity clause. So one can call it a SYG hearing but it is a Justifiable Use of Force hearing with a SYG argument.

Exepet not for Zimm and O'Mara, it is a JUOF hearing with a self defense argument.

I've tried to explain this several times and it's not getting through, so I won't try again.

It appears you realize you were wrong, so have switched to a semantics game. The fact is, as Omara states, even in the source you quoted, they will be having a SYG immunity hearing.

However, O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer, who admitted he would use the Florida State's "Stand Your Ground," in a quick change of strategy said he will not use take shelter in the immunity provided by the statue, but instead would present a clear case of self-defense...

..But now, Zimmerman's lawyer told the Huffington Post, "I think the facts seem to support that though we have a stand-your-ground immunity hearing, what this really is, is a simple, self-defense immunity hearing."

spanky · Oct 21, 2012

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..But now, Zimmerman's lawyer told the Huffington Post, "I think the facts seem to support that though we have a stand-your-ground immunity hearing, what this really is, is a simple, self-defense immunity hearing.

And what part of the bolded section is escaping you?

Excon · Oct 21, 2012

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spanky said:
When was that? Was he on "The View"?

Not only do you choose not to look for the information that has already been posted, but you ignore when it has.
Go figure. :doh

Excon said:
spanky said:

Looking AT houses isn't the same as looking IN them. You can't look INTO a house from the sidewalk. Seriously, do I have to argue this?

Click to expand...

Seriously. Do you actually have any idea of what the evidence says?

He stated he was on the area of grass between the sidewalk and the homes. And yes, looking into the homes.

Excon said:

Did you not read what came before?

He said he was looking into homes.

Tonight, I was on my way to the grocery store when I saw a male approximately 5'11" to 6'2" Casually walking in the rain looking [highlight]into[/highlight] homes.
George Zimmerman?s Written Statement - Document - NYTimes.com

Four lines up from, and including, his last sentence on the first page.

Click to expand...

I am beginning to think that your true motivation in starting all these threads is something other than your stated purpose.

buck · Oct 21, 2012

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spanky said:
And what part of the bolded section is escaping you?

As Omara stated, it is a SYG hearing. What Omara chooses to call it "A simple, self-defense hearing" has nothing to do what it is really called, a SYG hearing. There are multiple reasons he wants to call it a simple self defense,primary of them to play to a potential jury, but that does not change the fact that it is a SYG hearing.

spanky · Oct 22, 2012

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Have you actually read the Serino interview transcripts?

My favorite's the 3rd from the 29th. That one alone might hang Zimm.

Here's a link.

https://www.txantimedia.com/?p=1079

spanky · Oct 22, 2012

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And no, it's Justifiable Use of Force hearing.

ric27 · Oct 22, 2012

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spanky said:
And no, it's Justifiable Use of Force hearing.

SYG is not a defense. It's an immunity statute or law

It simply provides immunity from criminal prosecution. Reason why, the hearing is held before a trial

The judge analyzes and weighs, the facts and if, the judge agrees the defendant has shown SYG immunity then the charges are dismissed.

There's NO freaking trial. Its game over for the prosecution

buck · Oct 22, 2012

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spanky said:
And no, it's Justifiable Use of Force hearing.

Take it up with Omara who has stated very recently that they will be having a SYG hearing.

However, O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer, who admitted he would use the Florida State's "Stand Your Ground," in a quick change of strategy said he will not use take shelter in the immunity provided by the statue, but instead would present a clear case of self-defense...

..But now, Zimmerman's lawyer told the Huffington Post, "I think the facts seem to support that though we have a stand-your-ground immunity hearing, what this really is, is a simple, self-defense immunity hearing."

spanky · Oct 22, 2012

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ric27 said:
SYG is not a defense. It's an immunity statute or law

It simply provides immunity from criminal prosecution. Reason why, the hearing is held before a trial

The judge analyzes and weighs, the facts and if, the judge agrees the defendant has shown SYG immunity then the charges are dismissed.

There's NO freaking trial. Its game over for the prosecution

I think everyone knows how the stature works...

Which might work for Zimm if there were witnesses. The pross will show enough discrepancies in Z's statements that he's never going to get a JUOF ruling.

IMO the def might be better off not allowing that notch on the pross's gun. That Zimm lost a what the media will present as a "SYG" hearing may influence prospective jurors.

ric27 · Oct 22, 2012

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spanky said:
I think everyone knows how the stature works...

Which might work for Zimm if there were witnesses. The pross will show enough discrepancies in Z's statements that he's never going to get a JUOF ruling.

IMO the def might be better off not allowing that notch on the pross's gun. That Zimm lost a what the media will present as a "SYG" hearing may influence prospective jurors.

In the first place....The variations are only minor variations and NOT contradictions and do not affect the totality of Z's version of events

spanky · Oct 22, 2012

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ric27 said:
In the first place....The variations are only minor variations and NOT contradictions and do not affect the totality of Z's version of events

The variations are major and imply an evolving version of events. The pross will have a field day.

spanky · Oct 22, 2012

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"He hit me in the face, I fell backward and landed on my back"...which would put TM on top of Zimm on the NORTH side of the E-W walkway.

During the walk through Zimm states he got hit and then MAYBE there was a struggle BEFORE he ended up on his back. Ouch.

But everything else happened 40-50 feet south down the walkway. The pross will use that as evidence Zimm is fibbing about the initial confrontation. If they can convince the jury of that it puts the claim that TM was the aggressor in question and Zimm won't be testifying to explain it. IMO the jury may find Z's walk through the next day part of his "evolving testimony"...jurors put most reliability on the first statements.

If the jurors believe there was a struggle, a fight, wrestling, whatever, the caused the combatants to end up that far down the walkway, and THAT was when TM hit Z and knocked him to the ground, got on top and THEN pounded Zimm, they might view this as bar fight in which Zimm is contributory combatant.

Hello manslaughter.

JackFrost · Oct 22, 2012

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spanky said:
"He hit me in the face, I fell backward and landed on my back"...which would put TM on top of Zimm on the NORTH side of the E-W walkway.

During the walk through Zimm states he got hit and then MAYBE there was a struggle BEFORE he ended up on his back. Ouch.

But everything else happened 40-50 feet south down the walkway. The pross will use that as evidence Zimm is fibbing about the initial confrontation. If they can convince the jury of that it puts the claim that TM was the aggressor in question and Zimm won't be testifying to explain it. IMO the jury may find Z's walk through the next day part of his "evolving testimony"...jurors put most reliability on the first statements.

If the jurors believe there was a struggle, a fight, wrestling, whatever, the caused the combatants to end up that far down the walkway, and THAT was when TM hit Z and knocked him to the ground, got on top and THEN pounded Zimm, they might view this as bar fight in which Zimm is contributory combatant.

Hello manslaughter.

I believe this case will result in a murder conviction, but manslaughter is guaranteed.

It will all depend in court. How well will the prosecution present their case?

Depraved mind vs flawed mind.

We will have to wait and see.

spanky · Oct 22, 2012

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No Murder 2 but I think manslaughter is in play. Depends on the jury. The problem is everything Zimm is going to say is in the record now and he won't take the stand to clarify any comments. If Zimm intended on harming TM he would have done it long before TM got on top of him. So the jury may think well, these guys got into a fight and at some point TM got the upper hand...but Zimm COULD have fired before that and didn't.

All the important injuries are on Zimm (important to the sequence, the gunshot was the end result). If the jury believes Zimm shot to defend his life, they may cut him some slack, but i do beleive they might find that Zimm was contributory to the event and won't absolve him completely.

JackFrost · Oct 22, 2012

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spanky said:
No Murder 2 but I think manslaughter is in play. Depends on the jury. The problem is everything Zimm is going to say is in the record now and he won't take the stand to clarify any comments. If Zimm intended on harming TM he would have done it long before TM got on top of him. So the jury may think well, these guys got into a fight and at some point TM got the upper hand...but Zimm COULD have fired before that and didn't.

All the important injuries are on Zimm (important to the sequence, the gunshot was the end result). If the jury believes Zimm shot to defend his life, they may cut him some slack, but i do beleive they might find that Zimm was contributory to the event and won't absolve him completely.

He will be forced to. No way he can let God's Plan stand out like that:lol:

Excon · Oct 22, 2012

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spanky said:
But everything else happened 40-50 feet south down the walkway.

:naughty

It has already been shown, and specifically stated to you, using Google Earth the measurement from the "T", to where the Trayvon's body was found, was >40 feet.
If you have something better, like a crime scene measurement, please provide it.

Everything happened in that distance.
Subtract the distance of his his initial stumble and fall onto his back (12 to 15 feet?), and you have the distance that "everything else" happened.

spanky said:
And no, it's Justifiable Use of Force hearing.

No, it is not.

It is commonly known as a SYG Hearing because of the language added to the statute that allowed such hearing in the first place.
No matter how you swing it, it is commonly called a SYG hearing.

But in all actuality it is the following.
A "Motion for Declaration of Immunity and Dismissal"
The hearing in which such a motion is heard, is call a "Stand Your Ground Hearing"

e.g.: Sample Florida Stand Your Ground Motion for Immunity and Dismissal

Excon · Oct 22, 2012

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hawke812 said:
I believe this case will result in a murder conviction, but manslaughter is guaranteed.

It will all depend in court. How well will the prosecution present their case?

Depraved mind vs flawed mind.

We will have to wait and see.

:lamo:lamo:lamo
There is more of a "guarantee" as provided by law, that he will walk.

hawke812 said:
He will be forced to. No way he can let God's Plan stand out like that:lol:

He may very well take the stand as he has shown he has nothing to hide, but he does not have to.

spanky · Oct 22, 2012

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Excon said:
:lamo:lamo:lamo
There is more of a "guarantee" as provided by law, that he will walk.

He may very well take the stand as he has shown he has nothing to hide, but he does not have to.

Take the stand at the JUOF hearing or the trial?

Excon · Oct 22, 2012

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spanky said:
Take the stand at the JUOF hearing or the trial?

There is no such thing as a JUOF hearing.

buck · Oct 22, 2012

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Excon said:
There is no such thing as a JUOF hearing.

Oh leave him be. He actually thinks he proved his point and Omara just mispoke the multiple times he called it a SYG hearing. NO reason to burst his bubble. We can all just laugh at him when he isn't looking.

Excon · Oct 22, 2012

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buck said:
Oh leave him be. He actually thinks he proved his point and Omara just mispoke the multiple times he called it a SYG hearing. NO reason to burst his bubble. We can all just laugh at him when he isn't looking.

Sorry buck, no can do.

Had he not done the following which is underlined, maybe.

As previously stated, (which he chose to ignore in repeating his unfounded claim again).

It is commonly known as a SYG Hearing because of the language added to the statute that allowed such hearing in the first place.
No matter how you swing it, it is commonly called a SYG hearing.

But in all actuality it is the following.
A "Motion for Declaration of Immunity and Dismissal"
The hearing in which such a motion is heard, is call a "Stand Your Ground Hearing"

e.g.: Sample Florida Stand Your Ground Motion for Immunity and Dismissal

ric27 · Oct 23, 2012

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hawke812 said:
I believe this case will result in a murder conviction, but manslaughter is guaranteed.

It will all depend in court. How well will the prosecution present their case?

Depraved mind vs flawed mind.

We will have to wait and see.

The only guaranteed thing here is that Z killed M, which Z has acknowledged.

How well will the prosecution present their case?

The prosecution is not even close to making the case that a crime was committed or that the shooting was not justified.

Klown · Oct 23, 2012

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Is Dylan in trouble?

I didnt even know he carried a piece

Video comparing what John told Fox News and what Zimmerman said in his reenactment

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