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Trial Date Set!!!

Joining the military doesn't make one an adult and it has nothing to do with him being killed by a maniac.

Did I say he was a small child?
I gave the point. What more do you want?

You're correct, Tryvon was a 'kid', because he sure as hell didn't act like an adult.
 
On what evidence?
LOL only in a Zimmerman/Martin thread can you agree with the other side and still be treated with suspicion.

I gave you the point, you were right, I was wrong, I stand corrected: Tryvon was a kid. I don't know why you want evidence since it's your claim I'm agreeing with. I guess if you don't know why you said it, you shouldn't have said it to begin with.

Whatever bro, I'm not getting dragged down in this. You folks have a good one, I'm gona go shooting.
 
Still trying to spin out "logic" from illogical argument?

Tell me, how does walking down the street to the store and back while talking on the phone with your girlfriend minding your own business rises to the level of being "adult enough to know wrong from right"?

Zimmerman is a fully grown adult. Why didn't you question his integrity for not know wrong from right?

Nevermind, it's a bias thing.

Apparently, you completely *blacked out* the physical attack on Z by M

M was 17....that's true and whats also true in Florida is any teen/offender older than 14 years of age *regardless of the offense* may be tried as an adult
 
How will Dylan fullfill his touring commitments now?
 
He was old enough to join the military.
He still would have to ask his Mommy and Daddy, iirc. I am not sure that being required to ask Mom and Dad is the same thing as being an adult.
 
Apparently, you completely *blacked out* the physical attack on Z by M
Given that bulk of teh evidence about who started the physicality comes from Z's questionable narratives, it seems reasonable to at least suspend judgement on that count.
M was 17....that's true and whats also true in Florida is any teen/offender older than 14 years of age *regardless of the offense* may be tried as an adult
So that means 14 yr olds are adults? Or that M is on trial?

Or what exactly is your point?

Objecting to calling a 17 yr old a kid is silly.
 
A 17 yr old is a kid, but a lot of 17 yr olds are old enough to start fights, engage in violence and even commit murder.
 
Joining the military doesn't make one an adult and it has nothing to do with him being killed by a maniac.
I gave the point. What more do you want?

You're correct, Tryvon was a 'kid', because he sure as hell didn't act like an adult.
Unfortunately you conceded when you should have stood firm.

When a 17 year old joins the Military, with parent's consent, they have been emancipated, and for all intent and purpose are an adult.
It is not the training that causes them to become one. It is the emancipation.

Trayvon was not a kid, but a young adult old enough to be emancipated, and if he had lived, most likely charged (under the current info) as an adult with assault - attempted murder.
 
Given that bulk of teh evidence about who started the physicality comes from Z's questionable narratives, it seems reasonable to at least suspend judgement on that count.
So that means 14 yr olds are adults? Or that M is on trial?

Or what exactly is your point?

Objecting to calling a 17 yr old a kid is silly.

M is not alone....Forensic evidence speak for M and up to now its all in Z's favor

Z's injuries are consistent with his version of the attack plus witnesses support Z's version.
 
Z's injuries are consistent with his version of the attack plus witnesses support Z's version.
Z's injuries are also consistent with Z losing his balance, with alien attacks and a number of other things.
Iirc, there's not a living witness outside of Z and DeeDee [sorta] who witnesses the beginning of the altercation.
Primarily, there's Z account of how things started and that's it. Z's accounts are not reliable.
 
Z's injuries are also consistent with Z losing his balance, with alien attacks and a number of other things.
Iirc, there's not a living witness outside of Z and DeeDee [sorta] who witnesses the beginning of the altercation.
Primarily, there's Z account of how things started and that's it. Z's accounts are not reliable.
His multiple skull abrasions are not consistent with simply losing one's balance and falling to the ground.

And concerning Daisha. That should have been prefaced with allegedly.
 
M is not alone....Forensic evidence speak for M and up to now its all in Z's favor

Z's injuries are consistent with his version of the attack plus witnesses support Z's version.

Been over this already. The injuries do not match what he described. At least that is what the lead detective wrote in his report.

"Serino: That’s why we’re here today. Once again, these can be interpreted as capillary-type cuts or whatever, lacerations, uh, not really, um, coinciding with being slammed hard into the ground."

https://www.txantimedia.com/?p=1025
 
Shhh... Don't tell Spanky.

Under Florida law, Zimmerman can make his self-defense argument at a hearing, citing the state’s “stand your ground” law.
 
Tryvon was a wannabe gangster, yes. The music he listened to, his FB photos, where he tweeted from, how he dressed, etc. Yes, Tryvon was a wannabe gangsta.

I say 'wannabe' because I don't know that he ever actually joined a gang. He certainly enjoyed the lifestyle, though.


There are a few events that occurred in between Tryvon walking home from the store and Mr. Zimmerman pulling the trigger that you're forgetting to include...but who needs facts, right?


When you start a fist fight instead of simply calling the police, when you knock a guy down and threaten his life, when you reach for his gun...you're not a victim. You're an agressor.


We've had threads and threads and threads on all this already. I'm not going to rehash it. I would just copy/paste what has been said on other TM/GZ threads, offering little original content, bearly more than the 10 character limit the forum requires to post.

You called Tryvon a kid, and I gave you the point. You're right, Tryvon was a kid, because he certainly didn't behave like a mature adult.
So, it's legit to kill a person just because of the music he listened to or the tweet he tweeted? So then it's fine for a mass murderers of prostitutes to do what they do because of the prostitutes' background and past criminal offenses?

What kind of logic is that?

There is no evidence whatsoever to support your insinuation that Trayvon started a fist fight or threatened Zimmerman’s life or reached for his gun with or without provocation or was the aggressor. Why do you persist in unproven assertion as if it were fact?

On the contrary, all the known evidence from Zimmerman’s call to the Sanford police non-emergency line and his defiance against the dispatcher’s instruction not to follow clearly showed that it was Zimmerman who was the aggressor who chased after Trayvon with verbal hostility under his breath even while still on the phone with the dispatcher. Not only this showed his hostile impulsivity towards Trayvon at that time, but it also showed his lack of concern for flaunting his hostility in front of the police dispatcher.

At the same time, in Zimmerman’s own words, Trayvon was trying to run away from him and sought refuge under cover of the darkness between two rows of building where car pursuit was impossible. But, Zimmerman got out of his car to follow no matter what.

Nothing in Zimmerman’s own words during the conversation with the SPD dispatcher had he mentioned anything about Trayvon exhibiting any aggressive behavior toward him while he was in his car doggedly following him. These are what we know per the evidence.


The claim that Trayvon suddenly turned into the aggressor who started a fist fight is a stretch even though there was no physical evidence on his body of any sign of having involved in a severe fight nor any sign of struggle noted in Zimmerman’s clean, stainless and pristine outer jacket nor in his well tucked in inner clothing to concretely prove Trayvon savagely attacked him. Nobody has ruled out the possibility that Zimmerman might have caused his own injuries by hitting his head against something while relentlessly pursuing Trayvon in the dark. There was also no forensic evidence that Trayvon reached for Zimmerman’s gun.

To try to shove down our throat that Zimmerman suddenly changed from a hostile person as evidenced in his police call into a gentle and meek victim who nevertheless won the fight with his gun and that Trayvon, who was trying to run away as evidenced in the police tape by Zimmerman's words, suddenly became an unprovoked killer in and under a dark cover where no one saw how it went down but only Zimmerman's words, is beyond pale.


Having said that, it is not to say that Trayvon absolutely did not struggle or fight with Zimmerman during their encounter or that he did not try to reach for Zimmerman’s gun. At this point without a court trial the most we can say is we don’t know. What we have at this point is Zimmerman’s words after the fact. If Trayvon did all that fighting, who is to say he wasn’t trying to defend himself from the aggressor who relentlessly chose to follow him without a cause? These questions should be addressed and settled in court of law by the jury from evidence presented and cross-examined by both counsels.

Yet, you and your pro-zimmerman cohorts persistently resort to dishonest debate in presenting unsubstantiated claim as fact, evidenced only by Zimmerman’s assertion after the fact. Furthermore, you are also engaging in the fallacy of red herring when the point in contention of this debate is about whether Trayvon, who had just turned 17, was considered a child or an adult.

By your logic, if a person was old enough to join the military then he is old enough to be considered an adult, then you must agree with Iran’s policy of sending 12 to 13 year olds to go to the front line to die as adult soldiers during the Iran-Iraq war while the fattened mullahs and khoumeini sat in their nice sofas telling them on TV that they would get their 72 virgins in heaven. While I see the mullahs and khoumeini as war criminals, you would simply see them as war commanders sending 12 and 13 year old “adults” to their certain death.
 
Apparently, you completely *blacked out* the physical attack on Z by M

M was 17....that's true and whats also true in Florida is any teen/offender older than 14 years of age *regardless of the offense* may be tried as an adult
If you can show concrete and objective proof of your unsubstantiated claim about “the physical attack on Z by M” then I would amend the “blacked out”. Deal?

You argued that in Florida “any teen/offender older than 14 years of age *regardless of the offense* may be tried as an adult”.

That’s another fallacy that you try to engage. Trayvon was a victim of a shooting for engaging in normal routine human activity of going to the store and heading back. He wasn’t committing any crime.

If you have sexual intercourse with a 14 to 17 year old boys or girls you would be charged as pedophile for committing statutory rape of a minor or child even if the kid consented. You can’t argue in court that the minor is in fact an adult by pointing out that in Florida ““any teen/offender older than 14 years of age *regardless of the offense* may be tried as an adult”. That would be absurd, don’t you think?
 
...he started the fight, made a verbal threat and reached for Mr. Zimmerman's gun. Yes.

Age is irrelevant.
You are persistent in keeping up with baseless and unsubstantiated claim to make your point despite being told many times. If age is irrelevant then why cried foul?
 
..that Tryvon was old enough to join the military....


...that Tryvon was not a small child.


Anyone stupid enough to obsess over this story needs to slit their wrists, get pissed and go jump off a bridge. I'm here to cheer them on.
Are you any less obsess in this case? Go on and be ridiculous.
 
Look at my post history, no, I'm not :2wave:
Yeah, look at the post history and you’ll find you are attacking other people who argue on your side. But, what does being obsessive got to do with your willing participating in a debate where you have lost your point?

If you feel the need to attack the person rather than debate the point, then do so without me.
 
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