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Zimmerman Family/Friend Media Tour

hawke812 said:
I was expecting a picture, report, something, not "I have seen similar wounds".

Nice try though:lol:
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I have no photos. There I admit it. If you want to say I am lying then go ahead. Are you one who takes photos of all of your scrapes and bumps?

Now, back to my request. When are you going to prove your statement of GZ wounds?
 
buck said:
So, apparently you believe all injuries are the exact same? Sidewalks have an edge on either side of them, which could cause lacerations as seen. I saw an image a while ago, that I can not locate again, showing injuries (cuts) similar to Z's - in shape and length, but not in severity (the other guy's were much more severe) due to a sidewalk.

But I get it. To quiet the dissonance, you now have to believe that the police whacked him with a baton upon arrival to help Z get away with murder.
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Since Zimmerman was not being truthful and attempted to cover his behind, yes I do not believe he sustained his injuries like he explained. Another cover-up attempt. He already lied about following Martin. He lied about Martin not running away. He lied about going back to his vehicle. Oh wait I see, after lying, he has to start telling the truth at some point, right? :lol:

1. Similar, yes. Exact same, no. Similar =/= same
2. How convenient those pictures disappeared. First in human history, must be worth a fortune:lol:
3. I said flashlight and batons. Zimmerman also had a flashlight, and a gun.
 
mike2810 said:
I have no photos. There I admit it. If you want to say I am lying then go ahead. Are you one who takes photos of all of your scrapes and bumps?

Now, back to my request. When are you going to prove your statement of GZ wounds?
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Post #24 has two links. One looks like Zimmerman's, one does not.
 
hawke812 said:
It can't though, so yeah.

LAPD Investigates Officers For Forceful Stop - ABC News

Injuries sustained from having a part of your body strike the ground will be spread out more, not in straight lines like Zimmerman's. Like the example above, the injury will be more of a whorl shape. Bruising at the center, and spreading out around the impact point. Lacerations like Zimmerman's...no way.

George Zimmerman's injuries appear to have been made by an object like a flashlight, baton, etc. A rod like object. Not by striking the sidewalk. Lacerations can and do occur in this scenario. See below:

So tell me, ...what did this guy do to deserve it? - Democratic Underground
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I suppose it possible that TM was beating GZ with a flashlight or some other object like you claim, but there is no evidence to support your accusation against Martin.
 
hawke812 said:
. Similar, yes. Exact same, no. Similar =/= same
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There are so many variables (force, location of strike, etc, etc) involved, injuries are rarely exact.

2. How convenient those pictures disappeared. First in human history, must be worth a fortune:lol:
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Yes, I don't blame you for wanting to ignore it or pretend I (and mike) are lying. You have to quiet that annoying noise somehow.

3. I said flashlight and batons. Zimmerman also had a flashlight, and a gun.
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So, Z hit hinmself with the flashlight then the cops came out and helped him out with a baton - all of this occured in full sight of the witnesses who were at the scene just moments after the gun shot. Obviously those witnesses, the cops and Z were all in on the conspiracy to finally kill that black kid.
 
buck said:
There are so many variables (force, location of strike, etc, etc) involved, injuries are rarely exact.



Yes, I don't blame you for wanting to ignore it or pretend I (and mike) are lying. You have to quiet that annoying noise somehow.



So, Z hit hinmself with the flashlight then the cops came out and helped him out with a baton - all of this occured in full sight of the witnesses who were at the scene just moments after the gun shot. Obviously those witnesses, the cops and Z were all in on the conspiracy to finally kill that black kid.
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No, I think the only logic he is making is that TM hit GZ with a flashlight or some other object and due to head injuries GZ doesn't really remember it all. That's fairly common with head injuries. Hawk may just have found a new possible explanation by the Defense of what all happened. I have no doubt that the defense could easily produce expert witnesses to prove up spotting and temporary memory lost when hit in the head.

My wife as a non-expert certainly could. A violent assault against her only seemed to last a minute or so, but they calculated it was at least a quarter of an hour before other people intervened. If a person "loses" time, they don't know they lost that time. If GZ lost time while being assaulted, he would not remember what he doesn't remember. Or they may come to have a restoring memory in bits and pieces.

Actually, that's a hell of a defense "maybe-this-is-what-happened" - especially to explain so-called contradictions. GZ was regaining more memory.

There would not have to be ANY evidence of a severe head injury to have one that caused lose of memory, temporary or permanent. Even psychological trauma with no head injury at all can cause lost memory and mental distortions.
 
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buck said:
There are so many variables (force, location of strike, etc, etc) involved, injuries are rarely exact.



Yes, I don't blame you for wanting to ignore it or pretend I (and mike) are lying. You have to quiet that annoying noise somehow.



So, Z hit hinmself with the flashlight then the cops came out and helped him out with a baton - all of this occured in full sight of the witnesses who were at the scene just moments after the gun shot. Obviously those witnesses, the cops and Z were all in on the conspiracy to finally kill that black kid.
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If you say so:lol:
 
Maybe this should be more like the Kennedy assasination conspiracy issues. Who was the shooter on the grassy knoll?

Who is the known person who beat GZ with a flashlight?

We can't ask TM, he's dead. And GZ has memory lapse from the beating so he doesn't know. The injuries COULDN'T have happened in the stuggle between TM and GZ, that's for sure!!

Wow, is this all getting complicated!:lol:
 
joko104 said:
Maybe this should be more like the Kennedy assasination conspiracy issues. Who was the shooter on the grassy knoll?

Who is the known person who beat GZ with a flashlight?

We can't ask TM, he's dead. And GZ has memory lapse from the beating so he doesn't know. The injuries COULDN'T have happened in the stuggle between TM and GZ, that's for sure!!

Wow, is this all getting complicated!:lol:
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Never implied the injuries could not have happened during the struggle. My point was and still is GZ did not sustain those injuries as he claimed. Meaning his version of the incident is a lie or not entirely true. Just like the rest of his account leading up to the struggle.
 
hawke812 said:
Never implied the injuries could not have happened during the struggle. My point was and still is GZ did not sustain those injuries as he claimed. Meaning his version of the incident is a lie or not entirely true. Just like the rest of his account leading up to the struggle.
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hopefully you have finally silenced that dissonance. You sure did go to some strange methods to do so.
 
hawke812 said:
Never implied the injuries could not have happened during the struggle. My point was and still is GZ did not sustain those injuries as he claimed. Meaning his version of the incident is a lie or not entirely true. Just like the rest of his account leading up to the struggle.
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No, srly, why couldn't there have been a 3rd person that hit GZ in the back of the head a few times, then ran off seeing GZ had a gun? While GZ was dealing with TM in front of him, someone came up from behind? A "fact" that would eliminate that possibility - since we ARE just speculating of alternatives to what GZ said - and based on the nature of his injuries YOU claim could not possibly have happened by hitting the concrete or ground?

Since you said you don't think he sustained the injuries as he claims, how DO you say they happened?
 
joko104 said:
No, srly, why couldn't there have been a 3rd person that hit GZ in the back of the head a few times, then ran off seeing GZ had a gun? While GZ was dealing with TM in front of him, someone came up from behind? A "fact" that would eliminate that possibility - since we ARE just speculating of alternatives to what GZ said - and based on the nature of his injuries YOU claim could not possibly have happened by hitting the concrete or ground?

Since you said you don't think he sustained the injuries as he claims, how DO you say they happened?
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IF GZ did sustain those injuries just like he claims, it would be a first of it's kind.

I do not believe GZ sustained his injuries in the way he described. His head was not "slammed" into the ground, and he was not punched 20 or however many times he claims.

I do not know how he sustained those injuries. It could be as you say, or his brosef Mark Osterman and/or Frank Taffe could have roughed him up a bit before police arrived.

I am satisfied with what I got so far.
 
hawke812 said:
IF GZ did sustain those injuries just like he claims, it would be a first of it's kind.

I do not believe GZ sustained his injuries in the way he described. His head was not "slammed" into the ground, and he was not punched 20 or however many times he claims.

I do not know how he sustained those injuries. It could be as you say, or his brosef Mark Osterman and/or Frank Taffe could have roughed him up a bit before police arrived.

I am satisfied with what I got so far.
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Its really hard to get a conviction if the prosecution's case is "we don't know what happened, we just know it didn't happen exactly like he said."
 
joko104 said:
Its really hard to get a conviction if the prosecution's case is "we don't know what happened, we just know it didn't happen exactly like he said."
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Good thing I am not on the case:lol:

I am sure the prosecution will come up with something. It is not like they have to prove GZ shot TM.
 
hawke812 said:
Good thing I am not on the case:lol:

I am sure the prosecution will come up with something. It is not like they have to prove GZ shot TM.
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GZ decided to give them that ace.
 
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