the TM murder case verdict and the Black community

[Kal'Stang]

So none of your neighbors ever have guests or visitors?

You're question was if he knew everyone that LIVED at his appartment complex. You said nothing of guests or visitors. What you have just done is move the goal posts.

 

[Removable Mind]

When the verdict comes down, which after all this time, it's most likely gonna end in the scumbag GZ's favor, I would ask that the Black community not cause a riot or act a fool because that's the reaction they want. your emotionally charged reaction that will most likely land you in jail for disturbing the peace.

The key is to let it go. GOD will deal with the demons in due time so don't sweat it. TM was murdered and we can look at it as a sign from GOD to us, to "come out of her" so to speak, or we can take this as a slap in the face and start rioting and causing the TSA to ramp up their wicked laws against us even more.

Every action doesn't require an equal an opposite reaction right away.

think about it. eace

What should an atheist think about if the verdict isn't congruent to their personal believes about the case? The "God will deal with the demons"...doesn't seem to be a very logical approach. No matter which way the case turns out...there will be people who consider themselves advocates for one side or the other who will react in ways that aren't very God pleasing anyway.

We all live in the here and now. When there has been a event that happens that is condemned by a portion of any relative population, people want to see a pretty quick "human response" that leads so a legal conclusion. In any conclusion...there's always a winning side and a losing side.

People, regardless of the personal beliefs, or lack of beliefs in a supreme being - can choose to either act civil when a jury renders their verdict...or they can act like animals.

Whether a person chooses to surrender their anger or discontentment to the "God" of their understanding...or to a common sense decision to be civil...people must eventually accept that justice was served whether they agree with the verdict or not...and without resorting to UnGodly or uncivil behavior. If a person can't do that...then they will find themselves before a judge or jury awaiting a verdict.

And how do you know that every action doesn't require an equal and opposite reaction right away? Most people are totally clueless about what or when consequences of their actions set off an equal and opposite reaction are set in motion. A person might do something and say to themself..."Oh ****!" and know something is going to happen, but nobody sees the future...in most cases. I mean if you pull the pin in a live grenade and continue to hold it...then you might get pretty close to predicting the future. But...it could be a dud, too.

 

[274ina]

When the verdict comes down, which after all this time, it's most likely gonna end in the scumbag GZ's favor, I would ask that the Black community not cause a riot or act a fool because that's the reaction they want. your emotionally charged reaction that will most likely land you in jail for disturbing the peace.

The key is to let it go. GOD will deal with the demons in due time so don't sweat it. TM was murdered and we can look at it as a sign from GOD to us, to "come out of her" so to speak, or we can take this as a slap in the face and start rioting and causing the TSA to ramp up their wicked laws against us even more.

Every action doesn't require an equal an opposite reaction right away.

think about it. eace

Why cant the blacks handle self defence?
People have a problem with lynching for a reason. There is no reason to get pissed off about self-defence.......

But they will burn down their OWN homes anyway..........same as the 1960's

 

[ric27]

When the verdict comes down, which after all this time, it's most likely gonna end in the scumbag GZ's favor, I would ask that the Black community not cause a riot or act a fool because that's the reaction they want. your emotionally charged reaction that will most likely land you in jail for disturbing the peace.

The key is to let it go. GOD will deal with the demons in due time so don't sweat it. TM was murdered and we can look at it as a sign from GOD to us, to "come out of her" so to speak, or we can take this as a slap in the face and start rioting and causing the TSA to ramp up their wicked laws against us even more.

Every action doesn't require an equal an opposite reaction right away.

think about it. eace

It has nothing to do with *anyone's* God nor demon bs

It will be based on forensic evidence and reliable witness testimony

 

[TurtleDude]

When the verdict comes down, which after all this time, it's most likely gonna end in the scumbag GZ's favor, I would ask that the Black community not cause a riot or act a fool because that's the reaction they want. your emotionally charged reaction that will most likely land you in jail for disturbing the peace.

The key is to let it go. GOD will deal with the demons in due time so don't sweat it. TM was murdered and we can look at it as a sign from GOD to us, to "come out of her" so to speak, or we can take this as a slap in the face and start rioting and causing the TSA to ramp up their wicked laws against us even more.

Every action doesn't require an equal an opposite reaction right away.

think about it. eace

anyone who riots over a verdict is exactly the same as the jihadists who rioted over some silly film. SCUM BAGS who need to be shot on sight. NO ONE has a personal stake or a personal grievance in this matter (save the two respective families) and anyone who engages in vandalism over whatever the verdict may be should be terminated with extreme prejudice. Its time to send a message to the scum of this nation that if you engage in rioting over something as silly as this case, you need to get a 7.62 enema but quick

 

[Aderleth]

anyone who riots over a verdict is exactly the same as the jihadists who rioted over some silly film. SCUM BAGS who need to be shot on sight. NO ONE has a personal stake or a personal grievance in this matter (save the two respective families) and anyone who engages in vandalism over whatever the verdict may be should be terminated with extreme prejudice. Its time to send a message to the scum of this nation that if you engage in rioting over something as silly as this case, you need to get a 7.62 enema but quick

Yes. By all means. Violently overreacting to a violent overreaction is in no way laughably hypocritical.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes. By all means. Violently overreacting to a violent overreaction is in no way laughably hypocritical.

Killing violent rioters is hardly an overreaction. anything less is an under reaction.

 

[Aderleth]

Killing violent rioters is hardly an overreaction. anything less is an under reaction.

Last I checked, vandalism was not a capital offense. Have fun playing class warfare in your head though. I know you're a big fan.

 

[TurtleDude]

Last I checked, vandalism was not a capital offense. Have fun playing class warfare in your head though. I know you're a big fan.

you seem rather ignorant of the difference between preventive measures and punishment. You shoot looters to stop the actions

Robbery is not a capital offense nor is rape yet in every state of the union you are allowed to shoot to kill a robber and a rapist
What is class warfare involved in this.

some of the rioters in past racial matters were hardly poor. Some of the OWS turds are wealthy trust fund idiots

 

[Aderleth]

you seem rather ignorant of the difference between preventive measures and punishment. You shoot looters to stop the actions

Robbery is not a capital offense nor is rape yet in every state of the union you are allowed to shoot to kill a robber and a rapist

As you well know, it depends a lot on the context (especially with robbery) and on the state. Nice try to walk that back, though. And hey, you managed to call me ignorant while doing so! Well played sir.

What is class warfare involved in this.

some of the rioters in past racial matters were hardly poor. Some of the OWS turds are wealthy trust fund idiots

Why are we talking about OWS? This has what to do with anything in this thread?

Never mind. It doesn't really matter. I'm going to go get dinner. I'll let you go back to spewing vitriol. Have fun. Try not to rupture something.

 

[TurtleDude]

As you well know, it depends a lot on the context (especially with robbery) and on the state. Nice try to walk that back, though. And hey, you managed to call me ignorant while doing so! Well played sir.



Why are we talking about OWS? This has what to do with anything in this thread?

Never mind. It doesn't really matter. I'm going to go get dinner. I'll let you go back to spewing vitriol. Have fun. Try not to rupture something.

when it comes to the application of violence I have an extraordinary amount of training. self control is a main component of expertise in this subject matter. The people who rupture things are the scumbags who will use a verdict as an excuse to engage in violence and vandalism-often against people who are from the same socioeconomic cohort as they are

 

[Aderleth]

when it comes to the application of violence I have an extraordinary amount of training. self control is a main component of expertise in this subject matter. The people who rupture things are the scumbags who will use a verdict as an excuse to engage in violence and vandalism-often against people who are from the same socioeconomic cohort as they are

Right. As an "excuse." Like there's an entire class of people out there clamoring for a chance to engage in violence.

I think it's a lot more complicated than that. Obviously you believe otherwise, and have found a way to fellate your own ego while doing so. Again, well done!

And yes, self-control is key when we're talking about violence. Certainly talking about "need[ing] to get a 7.62 enema but quick" is a clear indication of a reasoned and controlled approach to violence. Not at all hyperbolic. Not at all irrational. Not like you're looking for an excuse or anything.

 

[TurtleDude]

Right. As an "excuse." Like there's an entire class of people out there clamoring for a chance to engage in violence.

I think it's a lot more complicated than that. Obviously you believe otherwise, and have found a way to fellate your own ego while doing so. Again, well done!

And yes, self-control is key when we're talking about violence. Certainly talking about "need[ing] to get a 7.62 enema but quick" is a clear indication of a reasoned and controlled approach to violence. Not at all hyperbolic. Not at all irrational.

why do you spend so much time making excuses for lawless scum who have no personal grievance but yet use a trial verdict to rob and pillage yet you attack me for having no tolerance of such scum?

let me guess? like many lefties you have a hard time claiming sociopathic assholes for acting like sociopathic assholes. Those who beat the crap out of Reginald Denny following the Rodney King state verdict or the assholes who rioted in Miami (but not in the cuban areas because those people are well armed) when a Cuban-American cop shot some black kid on a motor bike are seen by people like you as unable to control themselves because the inherent unfairness of society completely eviscerated their ability of self control

 

[Aderleth]

why do you spend so much time making excuses for lawless scum who have no personal grievance but yet use a trial verdict to rob and pillage yet you attack me for having no tolerance of such scum?

When have I ever made excuses for anyone? Please point out specific language.

let me guess? like many lefties you have a hard time claiming sociopathic assholes for acting like sociopathic assholes. Those who beat the crap out of Reginald Denny following the Rodney King state verdict or the assholes who rioted in Miami (but not in the cuban areas because those people are well armed) when a Cuban-American cop shot some black kid on a motor bike are seen by people like you as unable to control themselves because the inherent unfairness of society completely eviscerated their ability of self control

This is a lovely strawman you've constructed for yourself. Please don't let me interrupt.

 

[TurtleDude]

When have I ever made excuses for anyone? Please point out specific language.



This is a lovely strawman you've constructed for yourself. Please don't let me interrupt.

shall we pretend we never started this?

I think those who use an trial verdict that has nothing to do with them as an excuse to engage in destructive and violent vandalism need to be taken out.

 

[Aderleth]

shall we pretend we never started this?

I'd like to, except...

I think those who use an trial verdict that has nothing to do with them as an excuse to engage in destructive and violent vandalism need to be taken out.

And I think that's ridiculous. They don't need to be "taken out." They certainly need to be held accountable for their actions. Obviously irrational violence is bad. But - and this is my point - that doesn't excuse other irrational acts of violence, as you appear to be advocating. Again, the word "excuse" is important here. To me, it sounds an awful lot like you're looking for an excuse to basically execute people you've explicitly described as scum. That's the sort of thing a sociopath does. It's not rational. It's not just. And it's not usually legal (except in Texas, and the few other states that allow for use of deadly force in defense of property situations).

 

[TurtleDude]

I'd like to, except...



And I think that's ridiculous. They don't need to be "taken out." They certainly need to be held accountable for their actions. Obviously irrational violence is bad. But - and this is my point - that doesn't excuse other irrational acts of violence, as you appear to be advocating. Again, the word "excuse" is important here. To me, it sounds an awful lot like you're looking for an excuse to basically execute people you've explicitly described as scum. That's the sort of thing a sociopath does. It's not rational. It's not just. And it's not usually legal (except in Texas, and the few other states that allow for use of deadly force in defense of property situations).

In times of rampage and rioting, the best solution is a precise application of violence against those engaging in such predation

 

[Aderleth]

In times of rampage and rioting, the best solution is a precise application of violence against those engaging in such predation

You continue to engage in hyperbole. The language "in times of rampage and rioting" brings to mind certain fantasy novels that I've read. It's colorful, and evocative, but it's also misleading, and a little bit wrong-headed. If you want to talk about specific events that may or may not warrant a deadly force response, I'd be happy to do so. But that's not remotely what you're doing. You've described an entire class of people as scum, deserving of execution, without making any effort whatsoever to distinguish between specific bad actors and the degree of their crimes. If you tried this crap with any judge in the US (as you know better than I) you'd get destroyed in court, and you damn well know it. So seriously, stop talking in terms of rhetoric and hyperbole, and actually look at the issue. Yes. Rioting is bad. In most cases, it probably doesn't deserve "a 7.62 enema but quick."

 

[TurtleDude]

You continue to engage in hyperbole. The language "in times of rampage and rioting" brings to mind certain fantasy novels that I've read. It's colorful, and evocative, but it's also misleading, and a little bit wrong-headed. If you want to talk about specific events that may or may not warrant a deadly force response, I'd be happy to do so. But that's not remotely what you're doing. You've described an entire class of people as scum, deserving of execution, without making any effort whatsoever to distinguish between specific bad actors and the degree of their crimes. If you tried this crap with any judge in the US (as you know better than I) you'd get destroyed in court, and you damn well know it. So seriously, stop talking in terms of rhetoric and hyperbole, and actually look at the issue. Yes. Rioting is bad. In most cases, it probably doesn't deserve "a 7.62 enema but quick."

You should share your delusions with the Korean shopkeepers whose stores were targeted by the Rodney King rioters. here in cincinnati, when a white cop shot an unarmed black youth with 14 warrants after a long chase in the middle of the night through the most dangerous part of the city (the ute's pants were falling down and after the cop told him to put his hands up the guy reached for his knee level shorts and the cop center punched him thinking the mope was drawing a weapon in the poor alley street light), the blacks went on a wilding spree smashing windows, overturning hotdog stands etc-mainly in their own neighborhoods (if It had spread to where my parents lived at the time they would have been shot to pieces by homeowners who aren't tolerant of such idiocy)

in most cases rioting would be stopped if the first asshole who throws a brick at someone in a car or lights a molotov got their brains splattered all over the street

 

[Aderleth]

You should share your delusions with the Korean shopkeepers whose stores were targeted by the Rodney King rioters. here in cincinnati, when a white cop shot an unarmed black youth with 14 warrants after a long chase in the middle of the night through the most dangerous part of the city (the ute's pants were falling down and after the cop told him to put his hands up the guy reached for his knee level shorts and the cop center punched him thinking the mope was drawing a weapon in the poor alley street light), the blacks went on a wilding spree smashing windows, overturning hotdog stands etc-mainly in their own neighborhoods (if It had spread to where my parents lived at the time they would have been shot to pieces by homeowners who aren't tolerant of such idiocy)

in most cases rioting would be stopped if the first asshole who throws a brick at someone in a car or lights a molotov got their brains splattered all over the street

And all crime would be stopped if we instituted a universal 9pm curfew and the death penalty for weapon possession. Is that the society you want to live in?

 

[TurtleDude]

And all crime would be stopped if we instituted a universal 9pm curfew and the death penalty for weapon possession. Is that the society you want to live in?

silly strawman. I merely noted that the best way to stop violent riots is to take out a few of the most obvious pricks ASAP

 

[PirateMk1]

You continue to engage in hyperbole. The language "in times of rampage and rioting" brings to mind certain fantasy novels that I've read. It's colorful, and evocative, but it's also misleading, and a little bit wrong-headed. If you want to talk about specific events that may or may not warrant a deadly force response, I'd be happy to do so. But that's not remotely what you're doing. You've described an entire class of people as scum, deserving of execution, without making any effort whatsoever to distinguish between specific bad actors and the degree of their crimes. If you tried this crap with any judge in the US (as you know better than I) you'd get destroyed in court, and you damn well know it. So seriously, stop talking in terms of rhetoric and hyperbole, and actually look at the issue. Yes. Rioting is bad. In most cases, it probably doesn't deserve "a 7.62 enema but quick."

If you went though the Rodney King riots here you would probaley sing a different tune. I do. 7.62 hollow point or fmj is too good for them in my opinion. Shoot first and often and dont bother with the stinkin questions.

 

[Aderleth]

silly strawman. I merely noted that the best way to stop violent riots is to take out a few of the most obvious pricks ASAP

1) Not a strawman. Because I'm directly responding to your argument.

2) Taking out "the most obvious pricks" may or may not stop a riot. It might also make it worse. If I were involved in a riot, and the police started shooting people, I might feel that it's in my best interest (from a self-defense perspective) to take them out. That's not really important, though, because it doesn't change the fact that it's not necessarily right or just to summarily murder people for (e.g.) breaking windows and possibly stealing a stereo.

 

[Aderleth]

If you went though the Rodney King riots here you would probaley sing a different tune. I do. 7.62 hollow point or fmj is too good for them in my opinion. Shoot first and often and dont bother with the stinkin questions.

I might very well. Emotional involvement provokes emotional responses. That has jack **** to do with justice or logic.

 

[TurtleDude]

1) Not a strawman. Because I'm directly responding to your argument.

2) Taking out "the most obvious pricks" may or may not stop a riot. It might also make it worse. If I were involved in a riot, and the police started shooting people, I might feel that it's in my best interest (from a self-defense perspective) to take them out. That's not really important, though, because it doesn't change the fact that it's not necessarily right or just to summarily murder people for (e.g.) breaking windows and possibly stealing a stereo.

homeowners should be doing the shooting as well