Omara Admits GZ Aggressor

The attorney for the man who shot and killed unarmed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin said Monday he'll seek to get the case dismissed using a traditional self-defense argument and not the state's "stand your ground" statute.

Read more: Zimmerman defense lawyers won't argue 'stand-your-ground' in Florida shooting case | Fox News

What does it mean that Omara called an audible at this stage to switch tactics? Legal opinions vary but one item is clear: GZ does not qualify for SYG. Why? He was not attacked as the law demands.

Omara's strategy is going to be that GZ accidentally came upon TM and that he tried to retreat but was unable. To a passerby, the physical evidence would appear to support said claim. Unfortunately, closer examination reveals the physical facts do not support that claim because there was no DNA from GZ on TM's hands, fingernails, cuffs, or lower sleeves. Considering the amount of blood on GZ's face and head, it is nearly impossible to accept the claim TM had his hands on GZ's face. Lastly, the small cuts on the back of his head were not from contact with concrete as they were clean and free from surrounding scrapes that always occur when skin comes into hard contact with concrete. Otherwise known as road rash. There was also no blood found on the sidewalk or near the sidewalk.

GZ claims he tried to retreat but was unable due to TM being on top of him the whole time. Two different witnesses who saw the event at two different times, but before the gunshot, both stated without hesitation or change they saw only one person on the ground. With TM being 6 feet tall, it is ludicrous to accept the claim he was actually on top of GZ but they simply did not see him.

Omara's audible makes it clear he has to concede, as the facts prove, GZ was the aggressor. He now has to convince a jury that GZ tried to retreat.

THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS A DELIBERATE LIE!

This is exactly what O'Mara said: "He (George Zimmerman) was confronted with great bodily force."

That is 100% exactly oppose what noob Furiounova posted. Pitiful.

Good job ignoring the quote from the article. Do you know why Omara dropped the SYG claim?

wise move by omara
had he taken the stand your ground defense before the judge, this judge would have denied it - no doubt given his shown bias
that the judge refused to recognize zimmerman's stand your ground defense would not have been a good thing for the jury members to know when they are deliberating the case

justabubba said:

wise move by omara
had he taken the stand your ground defense before the judge, this judge would have denied it - no doubt given his shown bias
that the judge refused to recognize zimmerman's stand your ground defense would not have been a good thing for the jury members to know when they are deliberating the case

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The judge had already announced his decision prior to any trial or hearing. There is no reason for the defense to rely on the judge for anything given the judge has already stated that the Zimmerman is probably guilty - without one minute of trial.

justabubba said:

wise move by omara
had he taken the stand your ground defense before the judge, this judge would have denied it - no doubt given his shown bias
that the judge refused to recognize zimmerman's stand your ground defense would not have been a good thing for the jury members to know when they are deliberating the case

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How is it a smart move? Omara still has to argue self defense before the same judge. I agree it was smart in that Omara knows the facts point to GZ being the aggressor so by not denying that it will give his defense more credibility for being honest about that aspect.

Furiounova said:

How is it a smart move? Omara still has to argue self defense before the same judge. I agree it was smart in that Omara knows the facts point to GZ being the aggressor so by not denying that it will give his defense more credibility for being honest about that aspect.

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simple answer to a simple question
the judge will not determine the verdict in the self defense trial
the judge who would not recuse himself for his obvious animus would have made the stand your ground judgment
and we know it would not have been in george's favor. thus, there was no reason to contaminate the jury pool with that biased finding

All it's going to take is one person like me on that jury, and it's not going to matter which defense Omara puts forward. They'll end up with a hung jury at the very least and then the State of Florida will have to decide whether or not it's worth the expense of trying him again.

Tigger said:

All it's going to take is one person like me on that jury, and it's not going to matter which defense Omara puts forward. They'll end up with a hung jury at the very least and then the State of Florida will have to decide whether or not it's worth the expense of trying him again.

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voir dire will certainly exclude prospective jurors with your mind set

justabubba said:

voir dire will certainly exclude prospective jurors with your mind set

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I'm not sure that's going to be as easy as you think, and there are a limited number of challenges that each side will have.

Tigger said:

I'm not sure that's going to be as easy as you think, and there are a limited number of challenges that each side will have.

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and they will use them to exclude prospective jurors with very odd views about the way society works

justabubba said:

simple answer to a simple question
the judge will not determine the verdict in the self defense trial
the judge who would not recuse himself for his obvious animus would have made the stand your ground judgment
and we know it would not have been in george's favor. thus, there was no reason to contaminate the jury pool with that biased finding

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Okay. Wow. You completely fail to understand Omara is still going to try and get the charges dismissed at a SYG hearing but he is not using the SYG statute as his defense


Apparently you fail to understand Lester with be the one making the decision to dismiss or not. He also hasn't shown any bias against GZ. If anything, he has been favorable to him which is why we granted a second bond after GZ lied about the money and told his wife to hold onto a second passport.

justabubba said:

and they will use them to exclude prospective jurors with very odd views about the way society works

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Actually, defense and prosecution can particularly want jurors with odd views - provided the odd view they each want. The real issue is whether the juror pool of prospective jurors be be drawn legitimately. I doubt it will.

Furiounova said:

Okay. Wow. You completely fail to understand Omara is still going to try and get the charges dismissed at a SYG hearing but he is not using the SYG statute as his defense


Apparently you fail to understand Lester with be the one making the decision to dismiss or not. He also hasn't shown any bias against GZ. If anything, he has been favorable to him which is why we granted a second bond after GZ lied about the money and told his wife to hold onto a second passport.

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Prove GZ told his wife to hang onto a passport.

Furiounova said:

Okay. Wow. You completely fail to understand Omara is still going to try and get the charges dismissed at a SYG hearing but he is not using the SYG statute as his defense


Apparently you fail to understand Lester with be the one making the decision to dismiss or not. He also hasn't shown any bias against GZ. If anything, he has been favorable to him which is why we granted a second bond after GZ lied about the money and told his wife to hold onto a second passport.

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you are still trying to tell us that george zimmerman lied about the money - but despite repeated requests for you to offer any quote showing his lies before the court - you have offered nothing to substantiate your false claim
your posts on this matter are therefor without degree of credibility

justabubba said:

and they will use them to exclude prospective jurors with very odd views about the way society works

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It's not my odd view of the world that would cause me to be one of the people Omara wants on the jury. It's simply the fact that I am a believer in Law & Order, and the fact that everyone has a right to protect their property from even potential threats. In his place, I'd likely have done something very similar to what GZ did. Except I wouldn't have called police for assistance, and I would not have put myself in a position for TM to approach me without me knowing it.

joko104 said:

Actually, defense and prosecution can particularly want jurors with odd views - provided the odd view they each want. The real issue is whether the juror pool of prospective jurors be be drawn legitimately. I doubt it will.

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Probably not. You're right about that.

Tigger said:

It's not my odd view of the world that would cause me to be one of the people Omara wants on the jury. It's simply the fact that I am a believer in Law & Order, and the fact that everyone has a right to protect their property from even potential threats. In his place, I'd likely have done something very similar to what GZ did. Except I wouldn't have called police for assistance, and I would not have put myself in a position for TM to approach me without me knowing it.



Probably not. You're right about that.

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did not say omara would not want you
hell, he would want you as foreman
the state will exclude you from the pool, due to your odd views about society

justabubba said:

did not say omara would not want you. hell, he would want you as foreman. the state will exclude you from the pool, due to your odd views about society

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Based on what? I've sat through jury selection for a DUI case back in 2004. In fact I ended up on that jury. Nothing in the questioning even came close to asking about my personal political preferences or anything that would have brought them to light.

justabubba said:

you are still trying to tell us that george zimmerman lied about the money - but despite repeated requests for you to offer any quote showing his lies before the court - you have offered nothing to substantiate your false claim
your posts on this matter are therefor without degree of credibility

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Good job ignoring how I pointed out you don't know what is happening at the hearing


Omara admitted he lied and tried to justify it by saying GZ didn't trust the system. That was in his Motion for a second bond hearing and of course you don't know that.

Furiounova said:

Good job ignoring how I pointed out you don't know what is happening at the hearing


Omara admitted he lied and tried to justify it by saying GZ didn't trust the system. That was in his Motion for a second bond hearing and of course you don't know that.

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and we see once more that you are still unable to show us a quote proving that george zimmerman lied to the court
which is why your posts have no credibility

justabubba said:

and we see once more that you are still unable to show us a quote proving that george zimmerman lied to the court
which is why your posts have no credibility

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Omara admitted he lied and tried to justify it by saying GZ didn't trust the system. That was in his Motion for a second bond hearing and of course you don't know that.

The fact you ignore that proves why you have no credibility.

Furiounova said:

Omara admitted he lied and tried to justify it by saying GZ didn't trust the system. That was in his Motion for a second bond hearing and of course you don't know that.

The fact you ignore that proves why you have no credibility.

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YOU insisted george zimmerman lied to the court
but despite repeated requests to document said lie, you offer nothing - well nothing credible

really misleading and crappy title. Integrity should count for something.

justabubba said:

YOU insisted george zimmerman lied to the court
but despite repeated requests to document said lie, you offer nothing - well nothing credible

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Oh heavens.. listen to the jailhouse phone calls.. They also have the bank records and the testimony of the bank manager.

Its a slam dunk.. LOLOL

sharon said:

Oh heavens.. listen to the jailhouse phone calls.. They also have the bank records and the testimony of the bank manager.

Its a slam dunk.. LOLOL

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still waiting on a cite which will prove george zimmerman lied to the court
all you have to do is show us proof of that repeated assertion
until then your posts are without credibility