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A few days ago I was climbing out of a small space, caught my foot and fell out. Long, long ago as a youth I learned much about falling and that often it is better to just take and roll with the fall rather than to try to catch yourself with your hand(s) or to land on your arm as that can sprain, pull or break something. BUT I grew up in a no concrete world, so alway was landing on dirt, sand or grass.

With that past as I fell I instead instinctly let myself hit on my shoulder and roll, but then the back of him head rolled down hitting concrete. DAMN THAT HURT! Stunned me for a moment too - and I'm not easily stunned in a physical injury. Then I wondered if I had been seriously hurt - felt the back of my head, no bleeding, pondered if I should go to the doctor. Waited a few seconds before trying to get up.

The impact was not near enough to cause any skin damage. But still it was VERY painful, very disorienting and concerning. The experience seemed relevant to the CORE legal issue in the Zimmerman case.

Those who keep posting that GZ didn't have serious injuries or any reason to fear serious injury are so absurd and wrong I don't think anything they write should be taken as ligitimate. Concrete IS a deadly weapon that TM was using against GZ.

The back of your head hitting concrete is ALWAYS life threatening and potentially fatal or of causing serious permanent injury. Anyone claiming otherwise has NO integrity in their reasoning in my opinion.

I still believe that the defense should ask EVERY prosecution witness how much money it would take for them to allow a same-size as TM man to slam the witness in the face hard enough to break the witness's nose and then slam their head on a concrete pad twice hard enough to cut the skin. THAT is THE essential "FACT" of the case. And every time the prosecutor objected and the judge agreed with the prosecutor, the jury would understand the point. NO SANE PERSON would agree to their head being slammed down on concrete even for thousands of dollars.
 
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joko104 said:
A few days ago I was climbing out of a small space, caught my foot and fell out. Long, long ago as a youth I learned much about falling and that often it is better to just take and roll with the fall rather than to try to catch yourself with your hand(s) or to land on your arm as that can sprain, pull or break something. BUT I grew up in a no concrete world, so alway was landing on dirt, sand or grass.

With that past as I fell I instead instinctly let myself hit on my shoulder and roll, but then the back of him head rolled down hitting concrete. DAMN THAT HURT! Stunned me for a moment too - and I'm not easily stunned in a physical injury. Then I wondered if I had been seriously hurt - felt the back of my head, no bleeding, pondered if I should go to the doctor. Waited a few seconds before trying to get up.

The impact was not near enough to cause any skin damage. But still it was VERY painful, very disorienting and concerning. The experience seemed relevant to the CORE legal issue in the Zimmerman case.

Those who keep posting that GZ didn't have serious injuries or any reason to fear serious injury are so absurd and wrong I don't think anything they write should be taken as ligitimate. Concrete IS a deadly weapon that TM was using against GZ.

The back of your head hitting concrete is ALWAYS life threatening and potentially fatal or of causing serious permanent injury. Anyone claiming otherwise has NO integrity in their reasoning in my opinion.

I still believe that the defense should ask EVERY prosecution witness how much money it would take for them to allow a same-size as TM man to slam the witness in the face hard enough to break the witness's nose and then slam their head on a concrete pad twice hard enough to cut the skin. THAT is THE essential "FACT" of the case. And every time the prosecutor objected and the judge agreed with the prosecutor, the jury would understand the point. NO SANE PERSON would agree to their head being slammed down on concrete even for thousands of dollars.
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I think the EMTs and George's doctor are up to speed on George's injuries..

No my friend working in China slipped on wet tile and had to go to hospital for 45 stitches in the back of his head.
 
You may expect the onset of fibromyalgia in the next 6 to 8 months, joko.
 
sharon said:
INo my friend working in China slipped on wet tile and had to go to hospital for 45 stitches in the back of his head.
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My nearly bald daughter fell back hit her head with a very loud bang and cried up a storm. No blood or stitches. I kept a close eye on her for a couple of days (and still have nightmares of it), but never took her to the hospital. Seems that it can be very different depending on a bunch of set circumstances. So, lack of whatever you think was lacking is not an indicator of what you think it is.

BTW, I find your friends story unlikely, as you've had plenty of time and relevant opportunities to tell it in the past, but not a word until now.
 
buck said:
My nearly bald daughter fell back hit her head with a very loud bang and cried up a storm. No blood or stitches. I kept a close eye on her for a couple of days (and still have nightmares of it), but never took her to the hospital. Seems that it can be very different depending on a bunch of set circumstances. So, lack of whatever you think was lacking is not an indicator of what you think it is.

BTW, I find your friends story unlikely, as you've had plenty of time and relevant opportunities to tell it in the past, but not a word until now.
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When mine were little, they took a couple of falls on terrazzo.. Scared me witless.. and I did take them to the doctor or ER immediately

David? He's in the LED business.. He can call via Skype.. He said his hospital bill was $27..
 
sharon said:
When mine were little, they took a couple of falls on terrazzo.. Scared me witless..
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And they didn't have to go to the hosptial and get stitches? Thank you for proving my point.

The fact that Z has injuries to the back of his head would tend to support that his head was hit into concrete (As Z and witness 6 both claim), or something similarly hard (as you and Furio claim), multiple times.

Yes, please have him call via Skype.
 
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A few days ago I was climbing out of a small space, caught my foot and fell out. Long, long ago as a youth I learned much about falling and that often it is better to just take and roll with the fall rather than to try to catch yourself with your hand(s) or to land on your arm as that can sprain, pull or break something. BUT I grew up in a no concrete world, so alway was landing on dirt, sand or grass.

With that past as I fell I instead instinctly let myself hit on my shoulder and roll, but then the back of him head rolled down hitting concrete. DAMN THAT HURT! Stunned me for a moment too - and I'm not easily stunned in a physical injury. Then I wondered if I had been seriously hurt - felt the back of my head, no bleeding, pondered if I should go to the doctor. Waited a few seconds before trying to get up.

The impact was not near enough to cause any skin damage. But still it was VERY painful, very disorienting and concerning. The experience seemed relevant to the CORE legal issue in the Zimmerman case.

Those who keep posting that GZ didn't have serious injuries or any reason to fear serious injury are so absurd and wrong I don't think anything they write should be taken as ligitimate. Concrete IS a deadly weapon that TM was using against GZ.

The back of your head hitting concrete is ALWAYS life threatening and potentially fatal or of causing serious permanent injury. Anyone claiming otherwise has NO integrity in their reasoning in my opinion.

I still believe that the defense should ask EVERY prosecution witness how much money it would take for them to allow a same-size as TM man to slam the witness in the face hard enough to break the witness's nose and then slam their head on a concrete pad twice hard enough to cut the skin. THAT is THE essential "FACT" of the case. And every time the prosecutor objected and the judge agreed with the prosecutor, the jury would understand the point. NO SANE PERSON would agree to their head being slammed down on concrete even for thousands of dollars.
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anyone who cannot appreciate the severity of the act of having one's head strike concrete has taken at least one too many falls to the head themself
 
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buck said:
And they didn't have to go to the hosptial and get stitches? Thank you for proving my point. The fact that Z has injuries to the back of his head would tend to support that his head was hit into concrete, or something similarly hard, multiple times. Yes, please have him call via Skype.
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No... but they did get stitches in their scalp by the time they were in middle school...

George's injuries were minor.. Both his doctor and the EMTs said no head trauma.

From what David told me about Skype, you can call some four countries for $12.50 a month.. He's been a family friend since 1970.. so we go way back.
 
joko104 said:
A few days ago I was climbing out of a small space, caught my foot and fell out. Long, long ago as a youth I learned much about falling and that often it is better to just take and roll with the fall rather than to try to catch yourself with your hand(s) or to land on your arm as that can sprain, pull or break something. BUT I grew up in a no concrete world, so alway was landing on dirt, sand or grass.

With that past as I fell I instead instinctly let myself hit on my shoulder and roll, but then the back of him head rolled down hitting concrete. DAMN THAT HURT! Stunned me for a moment too - and I'm not easily stunned in a physical injury. Then I wondered if I had been seriously hurt - felt the back of my head, no bleeding, pondered if I should go to the doctor. Waited a few seconds before trying to get up.

The impact was not near enough to cause any skin damage. But still it was VERY painful, very disorienting and concerning. The experience seemed relevant to the CORE legal issue in the Zimmerman case.

Those who keep posting that GZ didn't have serious injuries or any reason to fear serious injury are so absurd and wrong I don't think anything they write should be taken as ligitimate. Concrete IS a deadly weapon that TM was using against GZ.

The back of your head hitting concrete is ALWAYS life threatening and potentially fatal or of causing serious permanent injury. Anyone claiming otherwise has NO integrity in their reasoning in my opinion.

I still believe that the defense should ask EVERY prosecution witness how much money it would take for them to allow a same-size as TM man to slam the witness in the face hard enough to break the witness's nose and then slam their head on a concrete pad twice hard enough to cut the skin. THAT is THE essential "FACT" of the case. And every time the prosecutor objected and the judge agreed with the prosecutor, the jury would understand the point. NO SANE PERSON would agree to their head being slammed down on concrete even for thousands of dollars.
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Closed-head injuries are a type of traumatic brain injury in which the skull and dura mater remain intact. Closed-head injuries are the leading cause of death in children under 4 years old and the most common cause of physical disability and cognitive impairment in young people.[1][2] Overall, closed-head injuries and other forms of mild traumatic brain injury account for about 75% of the estimated 17 million brain injuries that occur annually in the United States.[3] Brain injuries such as closed-head injuries may result in lifelong physical, cognitive, or psychological impairment and, thus, are of utmost concern with regards to public health
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Hopefully, Zimmerman's defense will hammer this home.

My cousin, when she was 23 years old, rolled her car in an accident. She was treated and released at the hospital. Nothing visible on her head. Three months later, she died in her sleep from a subdural hematoma. (We know this because she had an autopsy.)

Head injuries are nothing to fool with. Glad you're okay.
 
sharon said:
George's injuries were minor.. Both his doctor and the EMTs said no head trauma.
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having your head hit into concrete should never be taken lightly and is never minor. I would suggest that you take whatever action you can take to prevent it from happening, as it is very dangerous.
 
MaggieD said:
Hopefully, Zimmerman's defense will hammer this home.

My cousin, when she was 23 years old, rolled her car in an accident. She was treated and released at the hospital. Nothing visible on her head. Three months later, she died in her sleep from a subdural hematoma. (We know this because she had an autopsy.)

Head injuries are nothing to fool with. Glad you're okay.
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That is so so sad....
 
buck said:
having your head hit into concrete should never be taken lightly and is never minor. I would suggest that you take whatever action you can take to prevent it from happening, as it is very dangerous.
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George didn't have his head banged repeatedly against the concrete.. He's lying.. His injuries would have been far more severe if that had happened.
 
sharon said:
George didn't have his head banged repeatedly against the concrete.. He's lying..
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You do not know that. In fact, witness 6 corroborated the concrete piece of the story - at least in his initial statement prior to seeing the media coverage indicating Z had no injuries.

His injuries would have been far more severe if that had happened.
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Didn't we just determine that is not necessarily the case? We've both had kids that hit their head loudly and badly on concrete without serious injuries. There are a lot of variables involved.
 
buck said:
You do not know that. In fact, witness 6 corroborated the concrete piece of the story - at least in his initial statement prior to seeing the media coverage indicating Z had no injuries.



Didn't we just determine that is not necessarily the case? We've both had kids that hit their head loudly and badly on concrete without serious injuries. There are a lot of variables involved.
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#6 meaning John? He never mentioned concrete..

If George had sustained a savage beating as he claims, there is NO question that his injuries would have been terrible indeed.

He can'f fool a jury, he can't fool his doctor and he isn't fooling OMara.
 
sharon said:
#6 meaning John? He never mentioned concrete..
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As I told you last time you claimed he never said that... Yes he did. He was even kind enough to inform Serino that really hurts, in case he had never had it happen to him.

If George had sustained a savage beating as he claims, there is NO question that his injuries would have been terrible indeed.
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he had injuries. injuries I would not want to have and injuries that could reasonably put someone in fear for their life. That is enough. No where does it state that the injuries have to be at a certain level before someoen can engage in SD.

He can'f fool a jury, he can't fool his doctor and he isn't fooling OMara.
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Nonsense.
 
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buck said:
As I told you last time you claimed he never said that... Yes he did. He was even kind enough to inform Serino that really hurts, in case he had never had it happen to him.


Nonsense.
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When my kids fell and banged their heads or later stood up under the bleachers or an open cabinet door.. that was a hard lick.. not a repeated assault... and I know for sure your baby didn't hit her head repeatedly.
 
sharon said:
When my kids fell and banged their heads or later stood up under the bleachers or an open cabinet door.. that was a hard lick.. not a repeated assault... and I know for sure your baby didn't hit her head repeatedly.
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So now you are acknowledging that it can take more then one hit before a wound opens up. Honestly, I completly agree with you.

Witness 6 even stated to Serino that the getting hit on the concrete really hurts, in case Serino had never had it happen to him. I realize tht you think you know better, but I don't believe you were there, while both witness 6 and Z were.
 
buck said:
So now you are acknowledging that it can take more then one hit before a wound opens up. Honestly, I completly agree with you.

Witness 6 even stated to Serino that the getting hit on the concrete really hurts, in case Serino had never had it happen to him. I realize tht you think you know better, but I don't believe you were there, while both witness 6 and Z were.
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It depends.. If George fell backwards when TM punched him, those tiny lacerations would be unremarkable.

I am tall and have had bigger cuts and goose eggs standing up under a light fixture .
 
sharon said:
It depends.. If George fell backwards when TM punched him, those tiny lacerations would be unremarkable.
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To believe that would require ignoring witness 6's statement. I don't blame you for wanting to do so. At least we both agree that it can take muleiplt hits to the head before a wound opens up. That's headway.
 
buck said:
To believe that would require ignoring witness 6's statement. I don't blame you for wanting to do so. At least we both agree that it can take muleiplt hits to the head before a wound opens up. That's headway.
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I would have to go back and look at his statement.. but NONE of the witnesses mentioned the sidewalk if I recall.

You would first have to buy into the notion that Trayvon was a homicidal maniac.
 
sharon said:
It depends.. If George fell backwards when TM punched him, those tiny lacerations would be unremarkable.

I am tall and have had bigger cuts and goose eggs standing up under a light fixture .
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then i guess we can agree it is unfortunate that you, rather than george zimmerman, were not the victim of martin's assault that evening, given your more sturdy frame
 
buck said:
To believe that would require ignoring witness 6's statement. I don't blame you for wanting to do so. At least we both agree that it can take muleiplt hits to the head before a wound opens up. That's headway.
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It doesn't require mutiple hits for a laceration. Good Lord.. I have five adult children so I have seen my share of cuts and goose eggs.
 
sharon said:
I would have to go back and look at his statement.. but NONE of the witnesses mentioned the sidewalk if I recall.

You would first have to buy into the notion that Trayvon was a homicidal maniac.
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This is what folks that believe Zimmerman's fantastic work of fiction has to believe for any of his story to make any sense. It's this flippant believe that makes this entire story racially bias to me. Martin has zero history of violence. He was social, friendly and played sports. He was a B student. None of this adds up to psycho in the making. The only way to believe Martin suddenly became irrationally violent is to believe that there is something inherent in him. Now I'm not called anyone here a racist, but there is a level of bias at work that makes this belief palatable.
 
sharon said:
I would have to go back and look at his statement.. but NONE of the witnesses mentioned the sidewalk if I recall.
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Your recollection is faulty. Probably because it conflicted with your opinion, so it was easiest to just toss it. Witness 6 specifically mentioned the sidewalk and how much it can hurt to be hit into it.

You would first have to buy into the notion that Trayvon was a homicidal maniac.
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You would just have to buy into the notion that T was tired of being followed by someone that he had no idea the intentions of. He may have just felt that the best way to defend himself was to attack the pervert. Who knows.
 
sharon said:
It doesn't require mutiple hits for a laceration. Good Lord.. I have five adult children so I have seen my share of cuts and goose eggs.
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That is not at all what I stated.

Besides, we both have anectodtal evidence that a single hit on the concrete/sidewalk may not break skin. Please don't backtrack now just because it became inconvenient to your mind and opinion.
 
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