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'Witness 9' tells prosecutors Zimmerman molested her for years

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A woman told authorities that while they were children, murder suspect George Zimmerman sexually molested her for a decade, according to prosecution records released today.

The woman, identified only as "witness 9," said the abuse started when she was six and ended when she was 16. Zimmerman, she said, is about two years older than her.
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Holy crap, Zimmerman is a child molester too?

Article is here.
 
danarhea said:
Holy crap, Zimmerman is a child molester too?

Article is here.
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Isn't if FUN being a vigilante and persuming everyone is guilty because someone said something - even if it took the person over a decade to realize what was happening?

Nope, the article doesn't really say that if you look at the ages.
 
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If charges are not filed, then does this lead to the question of the stories validity?

Yet, GZ was a minor if true. Not sure what that has to do with the TM shooting.
 
danarhea said:
Holy crap, Zimmerman is a child molester too?

Article is here.
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Well, it sounds like he was a juvenile child molestor. I imagine juveniles who do that stuff to other juveniles are treated differently by the legal system (and mental health community) than adults who participate in such behavior, so I'm interested to see how this new alleged info plays out.

The girl better be telling the truth, though, or else she'll find herself in court.
 
danarhea said:
Holy crap, Zimmerman is a child molester too?

Article is here.
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Absolutely squat to do with, the case of Z's self defense

It does NOT prove Z was the aggressor nor disproves Z acted in self-defense or had a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm
 
Not sure what molestation has to do with the MZ/TM situation. If we're going for character assassination then I guess it's spot on, but seems hardly relevant. The compulsions that lead to molestation and that lead to paranoia and aggression are not often the same.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Well, it sounds like he was a juvenile child molestor. I imagine juveniles who do that stuff to other juveniles are treated differently by the legal system (and mental health community) than adults who participate in such behavior, so I'm interested to see how this new alleged info plays out.

The girl better be telling the truth, though, or else she'll find herself in court.
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It would truly be a family of liars indeed.

1. George Zimmerman

2. Shelly Zimmerman

3. Witness 9 (Identified as a family member)

So do you think witness 9 is his sister or cousin:shock:
 
tessaesque said:
Not sure what molestation has to do with the MZ/TM situation. If we're going for character assassination then I guess it's spot on, but seems hardly relevant. The compulsions that lead to molestation and that lead to paranoia and aggression are not often the same.
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It could be the drive for power and control, especially since his parents routinely beat him as a child.
 
hawke812 said:
It could be the drive for power and control, especially since his parents routinely beat him as a child.
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Sexual assault can often be compelled by a desire for control or domination, but paranoia and aggression are often more about fear, hate, and ignorance than they are about control.
 
mike2810 said:
If charges are not filed, then does this lead to the question of the stories validity?

Yet, GZ was a minor if true. Not sure what that has to do with the TM shooting.
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It has nothing to do with the TM case. Rather, desperate attempts to try to divert from basically all federal and local law enforcement officers have gone on record with statements that 1.) make them witnesses for the defense and 2.) impeach the prosecution's case.

So they are desperation to find new ways to express hatred of GZ and to try to trash him overall. They want to destroy GZ anyway they can find. Truthfully. Or not. Doesn't mater to them.
 
tessaesque said:
Sexual assault can often be compelled by a desire for control or domination, but paranoia and aggression are often more about fear, hate, and ignorance than they are about control.
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Are you escalating the story to "sexual assault?"
 
joko104 said:
Are you escalating the story to "sexual assault?"
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No, I was responding to the quoted poster's suggestion that the molestation (which would be assault anyway, by the way) and the MZ/TM altercation were about domination and control. I was not speaking to the specifics of the case at that point, because the poster to whom I replied was then speaking in generalities.
 
If true, this is horrible. Others are right. It has no bearing on the crime he's charged with. I think releasing this information is absolutely deplorable. A legal analyst says this:

While the molestation claim is incendiary, "A jury will likely never hear about that," said WFTV-Channel 9 legal analyst Bill Sheaffer.
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The jury will likely never hear about that?? What a joke. Only if they live under rocks -- which is where the prosecutor and judge should be living right now for trampling the rights of an American citizen. Had she come forward...different. But collecting this information regards this crime and including it in a general release is, in my opinion, just plain wrong.

Edit: Thinking about this, I don't believe it. She says her parents confronted him, and he apologized. So her parents knew. This is not the way sexual abuse goes down -- parents find out and the police are called. Period.
 
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MaggieD said:
If true, this is horrible. Others are right. It has no bearing on the crime he's charged with. I think releasing this information is absolutely deplorable. A legal analyst says this:



The jury will likely never hear about that?? What a joke. Only if they live under rocks -- which is where the prosecutor and judge should be living right now for trampling the rights of an American citizen. Had she come forward...different. But collecting this information regards this crime and including it in a general release is, in my opinion, just plain wrong.

Edit: Thinking about this, I don't believe it. She says her parents confronted him, and he apologized. So her parents knew. This is not the way sexual abuse goes down -- parents find out and the police are called. Period.
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Do you know who her parents are/
 
danarhea said:
Holy crap, Zimmerman is a child molester too?

Article is here.
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Assuming the story is true... Zimmerman is only 1-2 years older than victim 9. Is it really fair to call him a child molester when he was a child himself when the "molestation" took place?

Can a 7 y/o really "child molest" a 6 y/o? It'd be a different story if he had been 14 and she'd been 6.

The prosecution's case must really be weak to resort to trotting out crap that happened between two children 10-20 years ago in an attempt to smear his character
 
joko104 said:
Isn't if FUN being a vigilante and persuming everyone is guilty because someone said something - even if it took the person over a decade to realize what was happening?

Nope, the article doesn't really say that if you look at the ages.
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Just chill.. other children that were molested by George will come forward then you can have him run for mayor.

Jerry Sandusky must be a hero.
 
OscarB63 said:
Assuming the story is true... Zimmerman is only 1-2 years older than victim 9. Is it really fair to call him a child molester when he was a child himself when the "molestation" took place?

Can a 7 y/o really "child molest" a 6 y/o? It'd be a different story if he had been 14 and she'd been 6.

The prosecution's case must really be weak to resort to trotting out crap that happened between two children 10-20 years ago in an attempt to smear his character
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Started at 6 and continued to 14. And as to your question, yes:

Child-on-child sexual abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An example of law from New Jersey: Sex Abuse Accusation By A Minor Against Another Minor

http://www.stopitnow.org/files/Do_Children_Sexually_Abuse_Other_Children.pdf
 
OscarB63 said:
Assuming the story is true... Zimmerman is only 1-2 years older than victim 9. Is it really fair to call him a child molester when he was a child himself when the "molestation" took place?

Can a 7 y/o really "child molest" a 6 y/o? It'd be a different story if he had been 14 and she'd been 6.

The prosecution's case must really be weak to resort to trotting out crap that happened between two children 10-20 years ago in an attempt to smear his character
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Legally, yes. A 7 year old can molest a 6 year old...a 3 year old can molest a 2 year old. Legally. This witness and her story are going to come under some pretty serious fire should she ever reach the witness stand. I highly doubt she will.
 
tessaesque said:
Started at 6 and continued to 14. And as to your question, yes:

Child-on-child sexual abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An example of law from New Jersey: Sex Abuse Accusation By A Minor Against Another Minor

http://www.stopitnow.org/files/Do_Children_Sexually_Abuse_Other_Children.pdf
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I asked about child molestation not sexual abuse. There is a difference.

Color me guilty. When i was 8, i offered the girl next door (also 8) a cookie if she would touch my winkie. Under your defs, i coerced her into sexual conduct and am guilty of sexual abuse. Cuff me and stuff me
 
OscarB63 said:
I asked about child molestation not sexual abuse. There is a difference.

Color me guilty. When i was 8, i offered the girl next door (also 8) a cookie if she would touch my winkie. Under your defs, i coerced her into sexual conduct and am guilty of sexual abuse. Cuff me and stuff me
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That is slightly different than repeated sexual contact for 8 years. Specifically contact the witness apparently did not want.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The girl better be telling the truth, though, or else she'll find herself in court.
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I would be astonished if she sees legal trouble over this.
The only thing that could remotely happen is GZ decide to sue her for defamation. I think for criminal charges they might need to show that GZ never did those things years ago. I suspect that would be a very hard case for the state to prove. They prob'ly won't bother to try.

But stranger things have happened
 
tessaesque said:
Sexual assault can often be compelled by a desire for control or domination, but paranoia and aggression are often more about fear, hate, and ignorance than they are about control.
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He was a kid for most of it. His motivations were probably kid motivations, not adult ones.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I would be astonished if she sees legal trouble over this.
The only thing that could remotely happen is GZ decide to sue her for defamation. I think for criminal charges they might need to show that GZ never did those things years ago. I suspect that would be a very hard case for the state to prove. They prob'ly won't bother to try.

But stranger things have happened
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Have you listened to her statement?

Audio: Witness 9 says Zimmerman and his family don't like black people | The Union Democrat Video
 
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