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Zimmerman made a threatening move before being struck [W:815]

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Trayvon Martin's killer never identified himself: police | Reuters

"As Zimmerman responds to Martin, by his own admission, Zimmerman reaches into his pocket attempting to locate his cell phone," it said. "As Zimmerman reaches for his cell phone, he stated Martin replies 'You have one now,' and Martin punches Zimmerman in the face, knocking him to the ground."

well, well well.

It now appears that just before Trayvon Martin supposedly landed his first hit upon Zimmerman, Zimmerman reached into his pocket to grab his cell phone.

You know what? That is a problem.

Why? Because George Zimmerman had pursued trayvon Martin in his car and on foot, across the whole length of the neighborhood.

And when TM asks GZ "whay are you following me?", GZ starts to reach for something in his pocket.

was it a cell phone? was it a gun? was it a knife? TM didn't know, but he DID know that this strange man was pursuing him, and may indeed have meant him harm.

we don't know if the communication went the way GZ claims, but there is NO reason to doubt that he reached into his pocket after TM's question.

as I have stated months ago, TM may indeed have felt he was acting in self-defense based on GZ's actions, and GZ's reaching into his pocket for who knows what.....only vindicates that belief.

and once again, we have evidence of GZ totally screwing himself with his big mouth.

the right to remain silent isn't a joke, and perhaps he should have used it.
 
Thunder said:
Trayvon Martin's killer never identified himself: police | Reuters

"As Zimmerman responds to Martin, by his own admission, Zimmerman reaches into his pocket attempting to locate his cell phone," it said. "As Zimmerman reaches for his cell phone, he stated Martin replies 'You have one now,' and Martin punches Zimmerman in the face, knocking him to the ground."

well, well well.

It now appears that just before Trayvon Martin supposedly landed his first hit upon Zimmerman, Zimmerman reached into his pocket to grab his cell phone.

You know what? That is a problem.

Why? Because George Zimmerman had pursued trayvon Martin in his car and on foot, across the whole length of the neighborhood.

And when TM asks GZ "whay are you following me?", GZ starts to reach for something in his pocket.

was it a cell phone? was it a gun? was it a knife? TM didn't know, but he DID know that this strange man was pursuing him, and may indeed have meant him harm.

we don't know if the communication went the way GZ claims, but there is NO reason to doubt that he reached into his pocket after TM's question.

as I have stated months ago, TM may indeed have felt he was acting in self-defense based on GZ's actions, and GZ's reaching into his pocket for who knows what.....only vindicates that belief.

and once again, we have evidence of GZ totally screwing himself with his big mouth.

the right to remain silent isn't a joke, and perhaps he should have used it.
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interesting how you spin statements. My thoughts on your post is your saying TM was so paranoid that he expected GZ to be carring a weapon. Even though it is far more common for people to carry cell phones. You are saying it is ok for someone to use force to protect themselves. TM through the first punch, GZ did not draw the weapon on that, but during a struggle.

Good luck with your stance. Personally, if someone hit me as I was going for my phone, then continued to be agressive, and I had a chance to draw a weapon, it would be drawn, just to get that person to stop the attack.

Quoting part of the facts. Not showing all of the actions in perspective, does not tell the truth of the event.
 
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mike2810 said:
interesting how you spin statements. My thoughts on your post is your saying TM was so paranoid that he expected GZ to be carring a weapon.....
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GZ thought TM was a burglar, with something in his wasteband.

sounds pretty paranoid.
 
Thunder said:
GZ thought TM was a burglar, with something in his wasteband.

sounds pretty paranoid.
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ah, your story is about TM thinking it was a gun? Then he punched GZ as he was going for his cell phone. Seems to me you just admitted TM was the one who initiated the fight and was the aggressor.
 
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mike2810 said:
ah, your story is about TM thinking it was a gun? Then he punched GZ as he was going for his cell phone. Seems to me you just admitted TM was the initiated the fight and was the aggressor.
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that is exactly what he did
thunder finally admits that it was martin who was the aggressor
 
mike2810 said:
ah, your story is about TM thinking it was a gun? Then he punched GZ as he was going for his cell phone. Seems to me you just admitted TM was the initiated the fight and was the aggressor.
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TM didn't see a cell phone. He saw a strange man who had stalked him, reach into his pocket.

was it a gun?

was it a knife?

was it mace?

he didn't know. So he didn't take any chances, and defended himself pro-actively.
 
Thunder said:
don't lie about my beliefs, as I made no such claim.
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you told us yourself
martin responded violently to zimmerman's innocent act of reaching for his phone
great admission
 
finally, a thunder admission that martin's no limit nigga aggressive actions resulted in his death
 
thunder finally realizes that were he not shot in self defense, martin would be the one subject to being raped in prison
 
Thunder said:
don't lie about my beliefs, as I made no such claim.
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come on Thunder. You spin tales, wordsmith and try to back out when someone points the flaws of your story.

Another way of looking at it TM struck GZ first. GZ is thinking wtf, I was just going for my phone. GZ acts in self defense.

See Thunder, there are two sides, somewhere in the middle is the truth. You are not anywhere near the middle. We won't know till the trial is over. Speculation is fun though. right?
 
mike2810 said:
come on Thunder. You spin tales, wordsmith and try to back out when someone points the flaws of your story.

Another way of looking at it TM struck GZ first. GZ is thinking wtf, I was just going for my phone. GZ acts in self defense.

See Thunder, there are two sides, somewhere in the middle is the truth. You are not anywhere near the middle. We won't know till the trial is over. Speculation is fun though. right?
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George may have been completely unaware that his own behavior was suspicious and threatening. Who do you suppose he was going to call?

If he had time for a phone call, he certainly could have identified himself to Trayvon.
 
Thunder said:
TM didn't see a cell phone. He saw a strange man who had stalked him, reach into his pocket.

was it a gun?

was it a knife?

was it mace?

he didn't know. So he didn't take any chances, and defended himself pro-actively.
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A guy followed me through Wal-mart pkg lot a couple years ago. I changed directions a couple times to make sure he was following me, and he kept with me and was starting to close the distance. When I'd look back he'd be staring intensely, then suddenly look away when he saw I was looking and pretend disinterest.

I put my back to a vehicle and turned to confront him, with my hand in my pocket on my firearm. He had his hands in his pockets as well. We exchanged a few words and he backed off. I didn't hit him or shoot him for having his hands in his pockets.


Interesting how some want to discount Z's words at all times in all ways UNLESS he says something they take as self-incriminating, then suddenly they take it seriously.... sounds rather biased....
 
Goshin said:
A guy followed me through Wal-mart pkg lot a couple years ago. I changed directions a couple times to make sure he was following me, and he kept with me and was starting to close the distance. When I'd look back he'd be staring intensely, then suddenly look away when he saw I was looking and pretend disinterest.

I put my back to a vehicle and turned to confront him, with my hand in my pocket on my firearm. He had his hands in his pockets as well. We exchanged a few words and he backed off. I didn't hit him or shoot him for having his hands in his pockets.


Interesting how some want to discount Z's words at all times in all ways UNLESS he says something they take as self-incriminating, then suddenly they take it seriously.... sounds rather biased....
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Unlike you, Trayvon had no weapon..

Remember when George was talking to the police, while he was still in his car? He referenced TM putting his hand at his waistband as if that was menacing. I happened to think TM was holding his cell .. not that it matters.

George says that Trayvon slugged him when he reached for his phone.. So I would assume the two were face to face. Trayvon didn't come at him from behind.

Trayvon spoke to George and asked Why are you following me?

George replied, What are you doing here?... and reached for his phone.

Why didn't he say I am Neighborhood Watch?

You see the problem here is that George had been behaving in a suspicious and menacing manner.

The last part of your remarks in bold ... I don't undersstand.
 
Thunder said:
Trayvon Martin's killer never identified himself: police | Reuters

"As Zimmerman responds to Martin, by his own admission, Zimmerman reaches into his pocket attempting to locate his cell phone," it said. "As Zimmerman reaches for his cell phone, he stated Martin replies 'You have one now,' and Martin punches Zimmerman in the face, knocking him to the ground."

well, well well.

It now appears that just before Trayvon Martin supposedly landed his first hit upon Zimmerman, Zimmerman reached into his pocket to grab his cell phone.

You know what? That is a problem.

Why? Because George Zimmerman had pursued trayvon Martin in his car and on foot, across the whole length of the neighborhood.

And when TM asks GZ "whay are you following me?", GZ starts to reach for something in his pocket.

was it a cell phone? was it a gun? was it a knife? TM didn't know, but he DID know that this strange man was pursuing him, and may indeed have meant him harm.

we don't know if the communication went the way GZ claims, but there is NO reason to doubt that he reached into his pocket after TM's question.

as I have stated months ago, TM may indeed have felt he was acting in self-defense based on GZ's actions, and GZ's reaching into his pocket for who knows what.....only vindicates that belief.

and once again, we have evidence of GZ totally screwing himself with his big mouth.

the right to remain silent isn't a joke, and perhaps he should have used it.
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Your logic just proved that the first threatening person was TM.
In the 911 phone call, Zimmerman told the operator that TM reached into his pocket and waist band while approaching him.

Well, well, well.

What was TM reaching for? was it a cell phone? was it a gun? was it a knife? GZ didn't know, but he DID know that this strange man was now violently beating him, and clearly meant him harm as he did. Would TM now take out his gun? His knife? GZ couldnt' know.

From the initial approach of TM, he has injected the potential of violent and threatening movements at GZ. GZ knew TM meant him harm as TM was violently beating GZ.

Thank you for your logic proving TM started it all.
 
joko104 said:
Your logic just proved that the first threatening person was TM.
In the 911 phone call, Zimmerman told the operator that TM reached into his pocket and waist band while approaching him.

Well, well, well.

What was TM reaching for? was it a cell phone? was it a gun? was it a knife? GZ didn't know, but he DID know that this strange man was now violently beating him, and clearly meant him harm as he did. Would TM now take out his gun? His knife? GZ couldnt' know.

From the initial approach of TM, he has injected the potential of violent and threatening movements at GZ. GZ knew TM meant him harm as TM was violently beating GZ.

Thank you for your logic proving TM started it all.
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I am not convinced of George's powers of observation because he never seem to realize that TM was talking on the phone.

But that gesture by Trayvon as he jogged or ran away could also have been an effort to secure his phone in his pocket.

The outcome would have been completely different if George had identified himself as NW. For the life of me I don't understand why he didn't.
 
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sharon said:
I am not convinced or George's powers of observation because he never seem to realize that TM was talking on the phone.

But that gesture by Trayvon as he jogged or ran away could also have been an effort to secure his phone in his pocket.

The outcome would have been completely different if George had identified himself as NW. For the life of me I don't understand why he didn't.
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Because you are 100% wrong that being in NW gives a person any legal status. I guess you think you'd be a cop if you were participating NW. PLUS approaching him as you over and over insisted GZ should have done is 100% in violation of NW guidelines.

How could GZ know that TM had a phone in his pocket? As Thunder explained, TM might have had a knife or gun in his pocket for all GZ knew.
 
joko104 said:
Because you are 100% wrong that being in NW gives a person any legal status. I guess you think you'd be a cop if you were participating NW. PLUS approaching him as you over and over insisted GZ should have done is 100% in violation of NW guidelines.

How could GZ know that TM had a phone in his pocket? As Thunder explained, TM might have had a knife or gun in his pocket for all GZ knew.
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Oh I have never said that NW gave anyone legal status.

.... but, if GZ called himself NW captain, he certainly could have played by the rules.. Trayvon would be alive and he wouldn't be in jail.

I speak to people on foot in my gated community every day.. and unlike George I don't know all of them or their guests and visitors.
 
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sharon said:
George may have been completely unaware that his own behavior was suspicious and threatening. Who do you suppose he was going to call?

If he had time for a phone call, he certainly could have identified himself to Trayvon.
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At least 50 times you have stated that GZ should have directly confronted TM face-to-face, which would be far more threatening than watching from afar.

You also have some bizarre view that a person who ever participates with neighorhood watch has become some sort of cop - for which YOU insist that GZ should have violated NW guidelines to make direct face to face confrontation.

Quote the NW guideline that says a person should approach a suspicious person, identify him/herself as neighborhood watch (so obviously out of vehicle and on foot pursuing the person) demanding the person say where they are going.

Your conduct would have been 100 times more intimidating and aggressive than GZ, far more in violation of NW rules, and would absolutely constitute "pursuing" a person.
 
sharon said:
Oh I have never said that NW gave anyone legal status.

.... but, if GZ called himself NW captain, he certainly could have played by the rules.. Trayvon would be alive and he wouldn't be in jail.

I speak to people on foot in my gated community every day.. and unlike George I don't know all of them or their guests and visitors.
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Quote the NW "rules' that say you approach suspicious people telling them you are neighborhood watch?
 
joko104 said:
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At least 50 times you have stated that GZ should have directly confronted TM face-to-face, which would be far more threatening than watching from afar.

You also have some bizarre view that a person who ever participates with neighorhood watch has become some sort of cop - for which YOU insist that GZ should have violated NW guidelines to make direct face to face confrontation.

Quote the NW guideline that says a person should approach a suspicious person, identify him/herself as neighborhood watch (so obviously out of vehicle and on foot pursuing the person) demanding the person say where they are going.

Your conduct would have been 100 times more intimidating and aggressive than GZ, far more in violation of NW rules, and would absolutely constitute "pursuing" a person.
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Quite the opposite.. NW doesn't have police powers...

There is NOTHING aggressive about speaking to someone and saying, may I help you find an address.... you just have to use your judgment.

But, it might not be a good idea to speak after you had been following someone for 10 minutes.

I find it VERY peculiar that George never spoke to him.
 
sharon said:
Quite the opposite.. NW doesn't have police powers...

There is NOTHING aggressive about speaking to someone and saying, may I help you find an address.... you just have to use your judgment.

But, it might not be a good idea to speak after you had been following someone for 10 minutes.

I find it VERY peculiar that George never spoke to him.
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That's because unlike you claim people should do, GZ never confronted TM. Why you think the think to do is to pursue people face to face to demand the address they are going to is beyond me and absolutely again NW rules. And when GZ did ask when TM approached him, TM violently assaulted GZ. So obviously asking where a person is going is a bad idea.

Where did you come up with 10 minutes?
 
joko104 said:
That's because unlike you claim people should do, GZ never confronted TM. Why you think the think to do is to pursue people face to face to demand the address they are going to is beyond me and absolutely again NW rules. And when GZ did ask when TM approached him, TM violently assaulted GZ. So obviously asking where a person is going is a bad idea.

Where did you come up with 10 minutes?
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George followed or observed TM for a couple of minutes before he called 911 at 7:09 PM. Trayvon was shot at 7:16 PM so it all went down in a little over 7 minutes. That has to be some sort of record for stupid blunders.

George's stories get a little muddled as to whether GZ did speak to Trayvon when Trayvon came back and "circled" his truck..
 
sharon said:
George's stories get a little muddled as to whether GZ did speak to Trayvon when Trayvon came back and "circled" his truck..
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No they don't. GZ never indicated he spoke to Trayvon or Trayvon spoke to GZ, while GZ was in his truck. As best as I can tell, this is all in your head.
 
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