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Judge sets George Zimmerman's bail at $1M

ric27 said:
Wrong! Its is relevant

Read, the FBI's Uniform Crime Statistcis report and you will find that black Americans have an astronomically higher chance of meeting violence and death at the hands of another black American than they do a white American
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FYI, saying "Wrong!" doesn't mean anything.

2nd, he didn't debate the statistic, he just said it was irrelevant.

VanceMack said:
In other news, 1,056 blacks have been killed from black on black crime since the day of the Trayvon Martin shooting. I know that matters to folk...since...you know...you 'care' so much...
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Why even point that out?
 
George and his wife were poor before he shot Trayvon. George had his wages garnished at CarMax.. They'd been on unemployment and one of George's 911 calls was about his landlord trying to collect the rent.

Do you think that the Zimmermans should prosper because he killed and unarmed teen?


joko104 said:
The bondman's 10 to 15% is NOT refundable (as I understand it). That is the bondman's fee. In return, the Bondman (in theory) is gambling the balance ($850k to $900K). I pulled a comment of this from a bonding company website, but that's how it works. Any fee Zimmerman gives to a bond company is forever gone. So even if he is found not guilty, he not only will have unjustly spent weeks and weeks in jail plus all other restrictions, but also out all his bond money.

In misdemeanor cases, if is often cheaper and the accused get out of jail MUCH faster by pleading guilty than not-guilty. Pleading and being found not guilty in higher misdemeanors can mean almost a year in jail plus thousands in lost fees, where a person pleading guilty may only do a week in jail and pay less fine than the bond-fee. Most Americans can't really afford to plea not-guilty and the constitutional guarantee to bail has been corrupted to being a leverage weapon against defendants.

If you are a poor person, except for major felonies you will do the MOST time by pleading not-guilty, even if found not-guilty. Usually the only way poor people can get out of jail and not lose everything is by pleading guilty - whether guilty or not. They want Zimmerman to be poor and have no defense $$ whatsoever. Nor income ability.


The fee paid to the bail bond agent is also known as a premium. By law in the State of Florida, the premium charge is 10% of the bail bond or $100 minimum per charge. A premium is a non-refundable fee for the service of paying the bail amount on the behalf of the accused.

Bail Bond Agency in Sarasota and Bradenton, FL | After the Arrest

Just on this matter, GZ could make a deal to plea guilty if they will 1.) stop prosecuting his wife, 2.) let him out of protective solitary confinement - if you've ever been held for any length of time in "protective isolation" you do not dispute minimally the desperate desire to get out and 3.) let his wife then have the $100,000 instead of giving it to a bondsman-

knowing in the alternative he has $0 for defense, no way to get out of solitary, $0 for his wife's defense, $0 for investigators or experts, unable to relocate where he isn't known so $0 income, with the entire force of government and political media coming at him.

He could calculate that a fair trial is impossible because he has no $0, that he can't stand either solitary in jail or a pauper begging his family for food if not, and decide to basically sacrifice himself to at least save his wife.

The pressure the judge and prosecutor collectively are putting on GZ to give up his right to trial is massive and growing each month.

What is the next pressure? The government will have the IRS seized the few dollars left after the bondsman, do a tax lien to take the last personal items he and his wife has, and file a criminal tax evasion charge for not reporting the contributions - plus not paying 32% income tax or $32,000 on the $100,000 that was taken from his defense and given to a bondman?

We are seeing the unlimited raw power against a little nobody when politicians election outcomes may be effected or the media gets a partisan wild hair up its ass about some little nobody person somewhere. Lets hope none of us every end up on the brunt end of it.
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whysoserious said:
I have a feeling Zimmerman may be receiving a more literal shaft in the next few years.
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Why is that?

Do you buy the hype that the media puts forth about getting raped in prison?
I hope not.
lol

There are too many sissies inside giving it away.
 
Excon said:
Why is that?

Do you buy the hype that the media puts forth about getting raped in prison?
I hope not.
lol

There are too many sissies inside giving it away.
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that number is gonna go up by one more, once this trial is over. :)
 
Excon said:
Why is that?

Do you buy the hype that the media puts forth about getting raped in prison?
I hope not.
lol

There are too many sissies inside giving it away.
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Most Americans who have NEVER been in prison believe that rape is common. Perhaps not.
 
sharon said:
Most Americans who have NEVER been in prison believe that rape is common. Perhaps not.
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I've heard its around 50%.

GZ will certainly join that 50%, as he's such a wuss, who can't even land one blow against a teenager.
 
Thunder said:
I've heard its around 50%.

GZ will certainly join that 50%, as he's such a wuss, who can't even land one blow against a teenager.
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Thats not true. You completely overdramatize and exaggerate
 
Thunder said:
I've heard its around 50%.

GZ will certainly join that 50%, as he's such a wuss, who can't even land one blow against a teenager.
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Again, where did you get your 50%?
 
whysoserious said:
FYI, saying "Wrong!" doesn't mean anything.

2nd, he didn't debate the statistic, he just said it was irrelevant.
Why even point that out?
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Hmmm...well...lets see...we are now 5 months and 1,056 dead bodies since the shooting occurred. One is still being talked about like it is an issue while the other...nary a whisper. Me...I kinda think that fact screams loud and clear the relevance of the posting. If you cant see it, well...thats probably pretty relative too.
 
VanceMack said:
Hmmm...well...lets see...we are now 5 months and 1,056 dead bodies since the shooting occurred. One is still being talked about like it is an issue while the other...nary a whisper. Me...I kinda think that fact screams loud and clear the relevance of the posting. If you cant see it, well...thats probably pretty relative too.
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So? This case has certain things that make it heated:

1) A guy thinks someone looks suspicious
2) He calls the cops and follows him
3) No one sees what happened but a fight breaks out
4) Zimmerman shoots Martin
5) Martin smoked pot which fires people up
6) Zimmerman did have cuts on his head
7) But the injuries really weren't serious at all
8) SYG Law is ****ing insane
9) People attack Martin and his family
10) Some say Martin was using the candy to make drugs
11) Fake pictures of Martin are posted all of the Internet (and this site) to troll
12) Zimmerman had thousands donated to him and then tried to cover it up
13) Officials on this case have jumped from side to side and can't seem to decide what they think
14) There is a gap of a few minutes where no one can really account for Zimmerman or Martin
15) Witnesses have changed stories.
16) Etc

If you think there are other cases that should be talked about as well, then ****ing bring them up. Otherwise, keep your straw men out of this debate, Vance.
 
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whysoserious said:
So? This case has certain things that make it heated:

1) A guy thinks someone looks suspicious
2) He calls the cops and follows him
3) No one sees what happened but a fight breaks out
4) Zimmerman shoots Martin
5) Martin smoked pot which fires people up
6) Zimmerman did have cuts on his head
7) But the injuries really weren't serious at all
8) SYG Law is ****ing insane
9) People attack Martin and his family
10) Some say Martin was using the candy to make drugs
11) Fake pictures of Martin are posted all of the Internet (and this site) to troll
12) Zimmerman had thousands donated to him and then tried to cover it up
13) Officials on this case have jumped from side to side and can't seem to decide what they think
14) There is a gap of a few minutes where no one can really account for Zimmerman or Martin
15) Witnesses have changed stories.
16) Etc

If you think there are other cases should be talked about as well, then ****ing bring them up. Otherwise, keep your straw men out of this debate, Vance.
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Every one of your 15 points is a 'strawman' to the argument. But again...you make my point quite adequately.
 
VanceMack said:
Every one of your 15 points is a 'strawman' to the argument. But again...you make my point quite adequately.
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What point? That to talk about one murder/killing you have to talk about every other ****ing murder? That's not a point... it's nonsense. Please, Vance, at any time feel free to actually make a point.
 
whysoserious said:
What point? That to talk about one murder/killing you have to talk about every other ****ing murder? That's not a point... it's nonsense. Please, Vance, at any time feel free to actually make a point.
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Oh no...the point is how much people 'care'...
 
Thunder said:
George is gonna become someone's "dear"....on the bottom bunk.

:lamo
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Third time today you've made this point. How long were you in prison? And how long were you somebody's sweetheart?
 
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