Video: George Zimmerman's Reenactment of Trayvon Martin Shooting [W:1340]

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Excon said:
It doesn't matter if he is a *****, a wussy, a sissy, a pansy, or a test pilot.

His injuries do not matter to whether or not the fear he experienced at the moment of having his head slammed was reasonable.
The injuries do not mater. And neither do the names you want to call him.

If a bag of radios being simply swung at a person is enough to justify reasonable fear then so is getting ones head slammed into the concrete.

It still is, and is a very useful tool when someone is slamming your head into concrete.

Spare us your machinations.

When the guy got off on SYG for chasing a man down and stabbing him to death, then going home and going back to sleep... the court made the wrong decision. That guy is now dead. But in other news, somebody else is going to spend 40 years in prison despite trying to hide behind SYG.

Texas man gets 40 years in 'stand your ground' slaying - latimes.com

and...

24-year-old man convicted in Maryland neighborhood watch beating case gets suspended sentence - The Washington Post

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Was George Zimmerman in court again today?

Excon · Jun 30, 2012

SheWolf said:
When the guy got off on SYG for chasing a man down and stabbing him to death, then going home and going back to sleep... the court made the wrong decision. That guy is now dead. But in other news, somebody else is going to spend 40 years in prison despite trying to hide behind SYG.

Texas man gets 40 years in 'stand your ground' slaying - latimes.com

and...

24-year-old man convicted in Maryland neighborhood watch beating case gets suspended sentence - The Washington Post

Are we talking about those states?
No?

Then leave that **** out of this here discussion.

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

sharon said:
Trayvon wasn't stealing radios.

Yes, and in that situation... SYG wasn't used to argue he was defending his life. It was argued he had the right Stand His Ground and defend his property.

Florida man freed under stand-your-ground defence shot dead in Miami | World news | guardian.co.uk

Nontheless, he did chase somebody down the road and stab them to death... I think that's pretty violent, and the fact that he just went home and back to bed is creepy. I think the guy was a creep.

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Excon said:
So what?
His question are to be expected. This type of investigation is an adversarial process.
That is all they mean.

And it doesn't matter. Because all that does matter is, if the fear Zimmerman felt at he moment his head was being slammed into the concrete was reasonable.
And if a bag of radios being simply swung at a person is enough to justify reasonable fear then so is getting ones head slammed into the concrete.

Then you are not looking at all. There are dividers at the patios.

No!
This is your assumption.
It is not necessary.

It was argued he was within his rights to defend his property. Saying he feared for his life wasn't the central argument.

Excon · Jun 30, 2012

SheWolf said:
Yes, and in that situation... SYG wasn't used to argue he was defending his life. It was argued he had the right Stand His Ground and defend his property.

Florida man freed under stand-your-ground defence shot dead in Miami | World news | guardian.co.uk

Nontheless, he did chase somebody down the road and stab them to death... I think that's pretty violent, and the fact that he just went home and back to bed is creepy. I think the guy was a creep.

And thereby showing that if a bag of radios being simply swung at a person is enough to justify reasonable fear then so is getting ones head slammed into the concrete.

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Blackdog said:
As if this has anything at all to do with what I said?

Are you going to address the "12 punches to the face" or not?

For the record the statements up top are complete and utter garbage. Ask any professional fighter or doctor....

People bruise differently. Unless someone hit's me with a pole, I just don't bruise. My wife on the other hand you just brush up against her and she bruises, lol.

So that statement is utter nonsense. Hell I have been wolf packed and hit one or two times with a brick in the process and got just a busted lip. I tell you what though, if I had a gun at the time, a few would be dead and I would have been justified.

It's hard to believe that somebody could hit you in the face with a brick and you wouldn't bruise or break a bone. If YOUR face can withstand getting beaten by a brick, then YOUR head and withstand getting slammed into concrete easily.

As any doctor or professional fighter, and they'd say perhaps you're just super human.

Excon · Jun 30, 2012

SheWolf said:
It was argued he was within his rights to defend his property. Saying he feared for his life wasn't the central argument.

You got that incorrect. It was because he had a right to use self-defense.
Why was that?
Because the bag of radios was swung at him.

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Excon said:
And you are wrong.

The only thing that is going to matter is whether or not the fear that Zimmerman felt was reasonable.

And because a bag of radios being simply swung at a person is enough to generate the requisite fear to use deadly force, then getting ones head slammed into concrete is more than enough.

Garcia was charged with murder. Prosecutors said that on January 25, a roommate standing at the window of Garcia's Miami apartment alerted him to two men stealing the radio from his truck.

Garcia took a large knife from the kitchen and ran outside, chasing Pedro Roteta, 26, for more than a block before killing him with a single stab to the chest in an incident captured on CCTV cameras.

After the killing, prosecutors said, Garcia did not call police but returned to his apartment and went to sleep. Later, he sold three stolen car radios that Roteta was carrying and hid the knife.

Judge Beth Bloom, however, ruled that his actions did not eliminate Garcia's right to defend himself under the stand-your-ground law, which is currently under review by a panel of Florida politicians and law enforcement officials.

Garcia, she said, "was well within his rights to pursue the victim and demand the return of his property. The defendant had no duty to retreat and could lawfully pursue a fleeing felon who has stolen his property."

Florida man freed under stand-your-ground defence shot dead in Miami | World news | guardian.co.uk

The judge made her ruling based on an entirely different argument than what you're making. She said he had the right to chase somebody and kill them. She said he had a right to defend his property.

So if you want to just simply compare these cases, then you also have to acknowledge that Zimmerman was chasing Trayvon and Trayvon was not committing a criminal act.

It's not legal to simply chase somebody down and stab them or shot them to death, because you think they are suspicious. Zimmerman was following Trayvon with a valid reason other than Zimmerman incorrectly profiled Trayvon. That's one of the problems Zimmerman has and is going to have.

Excon · Jun 30, 2012

SheWolf said:
Florida man freed under stand-your-ground defence shot dead in Miami | World news | guardian.co.uk

The judge made her ruling based on an entirely different argument than what you're making. She said he had the right to chase somebody and kill them. She said he had a right to defend his property.

So if you want to just simply compare these cases, then you also have to acknowledge that Zimmerman was chasing Trayvon and Trayvon was not committing a criminal act.

It's not legal to simply chase somebody down and stab them or shot them to death, because you think they are suspicious. Zimmerman was following Trayvon with a valid reason other than Zimmerman incorrectly profiled Trayvon. That's one of the problems Zimmerman has and is going to have.

Wrong!
You are misreading by reading into the article that which it does not say.
What you quoted was what the judge said in reference to his pursuing the individual. Not in reference to his stabbing him because of the fear generated by the swinging of the bag of radios.

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Stardog said:
Serino plays the call Z says "Who's that?" Serino sarcastically replies "That's you." Z replies "doesn't even sound like me."

But the real question is. . . if Z was the only one screaming for help who else could it have been? Why would Z have thought it would be somebody else?

I haven't listened to that one yet... but I just read that Z's dad keeps saying it's Z. The fact is, no expert can say it's Z. They seem to have ruled out that it's him, but they can't either rule or rule out that it's Trayvon.

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

buck said:
When you have to resort to making things up, it seems to me that it shows you have a weak case.

Your explanation to help him out is hysterical. Why bother making such leaps and bounds to defend this guy?

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Stardog said:
Wrong. Dee Dee's testimony directly refutes Zimmerman's version of events. Maybe you spend less time stalking other posters and more time researching the case if you'd like to discuss it.

Which version of events exactly? How does her version differ? The big difference I have seen from witnesses and GZ's account, is that they all claimed to hear screaming, arguing, and fighting long before the fight seemed to turn physical and then violent. GZ's account doesn't account for a verbal argument or any screaming back and forth.

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Masada said:
Fully aware, thanks Thunder. But I feel pretty certain that a jury will take their job seriously, knowing that a man's life lie in their hands.

GZ is not going to get the death penalty.

Excon · Jun 30, 2012

SheWolf said:
Florida man freed under stand-your-ground defence shot dead in Miami | World news | guardian.co.uk

The judge made her ruling based on an entirely different argument than what you're making. She said he had the right to chase somebody and kill them. She said he had a right to defend his property.

So if you want to just simply compare these cases, then you also have to acknowledge that Zimmerman was chasing Trayvon and Trayvon was not committing a criminal act.

It's not legal to simply chase somebody down and stab them or shot them to death, because you think they are suspicious. Zimmerman was following Trayvon with a valid reason other than Zimmerman incorrectly profiled Trayvon. That's one of the problems Zimmerman has and is going to have.

Wrong!
You are misreading by reading into the article that which it does not say.
What you quoted was what the judge said in reference to his pursuing the individual. Not in reference to his stabbing him because of the fear generated by the swinging of the bag of radios.

During the trial, the judge ruled that Garcia was within his rights to chase down Roteta to try to get his property back.
She also ruled that Garcia acted in self-defense because Roteta had a swung a bag containing several stolen radios at his head, CBS Miami reported.
Greyston Garcia, who won Fla. 'stand your ground' case, killed in suspected gang crossfire - Crimesider - CBS News

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Excon said:
Wrong!
You are misreading by reading into the article that which it does not say.
What you quoted was what the judge said in reference to his pursuing the individual. Not in reference to his stabbing him because of the fear generated by the swinging of the bag of radios.

During the trial, the judge ruled that Garcia was within his rights to chase down Roteta to try to get his property back.
She also ruled that Garcia acted in self-defense because Roteta had a swung a bag containing several stolen radios at his head, CBS Miami reported.
Greyston Garcia, who won Fla. 'stand your ground' case, killed in suspected gang crossfire - Crimesider - CBS News

After the killing, prosecutors said, Garcia did not call police but returned to his apartment and went to sleep. Later, he sold three stolen car radios that Roteta was carrying and hid the knife.

The judge obviously made a poor decision. After killing the guy, Garcia robbed him and then sold the stolen goods.

However, unlike Zimmerman... Garcia had a valid reason to pursue and chase the person he killed. Zimmerman did not have a valid reason. Both cases highlight the problem with SYG, and the law should be overturned.

Excon · Jun 30, 2012

SheWolf said:
However, unlike Zimmerman... Garcia had a valid reason to pursue and chase the person he killed. Zimmerman did not have a valid reason. Both cases highlight the problem with SYG, and the law should be overturned.

Sigh...
Not wanting to admit your error. So typical.

Regardless, you are wrong again because Zimmerman did have a valid reason to follow Trayvon.
No matter how much you wish he didn't, it isn't going to change the fact that he had a valid reason. lol
:doh

SheWolf said:
The judge obviously made a poor decision. After killing the guy, Garcia robbed him and then sold the stolen goods.

Not charging the guy for receiving and selling stolen property is on the prosecutor, not the judge.

SheWolf · Jun 30, 2012

Excon said:
Sigh...
Not wanting to admit your error. So typical.

Regardless, you are wrong again because Zimmerman did have a valid reason to follow Trayvon.
No matter how much you wish he didn't, it isn't going to change the fact that he had a valid reason. lol
:doh

Not charging the guy for receiving and selling stolen property is on the prosecutor, not the judge.

It's likely GZ can get off by pleading SYG, but these cases are very, very different.

sharon · Jun 30, 2012

Excon said:
Sigh...
Not wanting to admit your error. So typical.

Regardless, you are wrong again because Zimmerman did have a valid reason to follow Trayvon.
No matter how much you wish he didn't, it isn't going to change the fact that he had a valid reason. lol
:doh

Not charging the guy for receiving and selling stolen property is on the prosecutor, not the judge.

NO.. Trayvon wasn't stealing car radios nor committing any OTHER crime. There was NO justification for Zimmerman to suspect him or follow him.

Thunder · Jun 30, 2012

Excon said:
...Regardless, you are wrong again because Zimmerman did have a valid reason to follow Trayvon....

Trayvon being young, black, and male...doesn't justify stalking him and assuming he was a criminal.

Excon · Jun 30, 2012

sharon said:
NO.. Trayvon wasn't stealing car radios nor committing any OTHER crime.

lol
I do not know why you are being obtuse. No one said he was.
But, a bag of radios simply swung at a person is enough to cause a person to have a reasonable belief of GBH or loss of life, then getting ones head slammed into concrete is more than sufficient to satisfy that requirement.

Which is exactly what you are ignoring each and every time you reply.

sharon said:
There was NO justification for Zimmerman to suspect him or follow him.

Yes there was enough reason to suspect that he was up to no good.
And following to point him out to police when they arrive is a legitimate purpose.
No matter how much you wish it wasn't true, it still is justified.

Excon · Jun 30, 2012

Thunder said:
Trayvon being young, black, and male...doesn't justify stalking him and assuming he was a criminal.

You are grasping!
Again!

Thunder · Jun 30, 2012

Excon said:
You are grasping!
Again!

wrong, as your side has claimed that GZ had a right to be suspicious of TM, simply due to his appearance.

Excon · Jun 30, 2012

Thunder said:
wrong, as your side has claimed that GZ had a right to be suspicious of TM, simply due to his appearance.

No, you were grasping and are now just being sad.

My side? His appearance?

Get real.

If you want to say that his actions is how he appeared, ok, but otherwise, you are just full of it.

sharon · Jun 30, 2012

Excon said:
lol
I do not know why you are being obtuse. No one said he was.
But, a bag of radios simply swung at a person is enough to cause a person to have a reasonable belief of GBH or loss of life, then getting ones head slammed into concrete is more than sufficient to satisfy that requirement.

Which is exactly what you are ignoring each and every time you reply.

Yes there was enough reason to suspect that he was up to no good.
And following to point him out to police when they arrive is a legitimate purpose.
No matter how much you wish it wasn't true, it still is justified.

George's injuries were minor..

If George has been following you that night without speaking.. (Presumably you are a grown man..)

What would you have done? Would you run or ask him what the h*ll do you want?