Thread: Autopsy: Drug THC found in Trayvon Martin's system[W:22, 576]

Originally Posted by Catawba

Stunning..........!

what is stunning is that almost none of his list are things those people made up.

Originally Posted by muciti

what is stunning is that almost none of his list are things those people made up.

Or someone's opinion based upon information available outside of the imagination.

Originally Posted by muciti

what is stunning is that almost none of his list are things those people made up.

There is nothing factual to back up any of them!!!

Originally Posted by Caine

Or someone's opinion based upon information available outside of the imagination.

Originally Posted by muciti

what is stunning is that almost none of his list are things those people made up.

You guys continue to impress society with your inability get even the most basic of ideas... such as saying you know something as fact when you cannot possibly know it as fact is ****ing stupid. You don't know who started the fight, you can't know. You don't know his girlfriend was/is lying about everything, you can't know that yet. You don't know he was on drugs that day. You don't know he was punching Zimmerman. You don't know Zimmerman didn't instigate the fight. You don't know the paths that led the two to meet. And yet, you're all so ****ing sure of everything.

That list represents exactly what is wrong with your arguments.

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And, thanks, Caine. The guy who tried calling me out as "shooting down any source" when I asked where the screenshots of Trayvon's Facebook came from. Yeah, the screenshots that ONLY exist on conservative blogs. Are you in the police force? Because if so, that's ****ing scary.

Originally Posted by whysoserious

You guys continue to impress society with your inability get even the most basic of ideas... such as saying you know something as fact when you cannot possibly know it as fact is ****ing stupid. You don't know who started the fight, you can't know. You don't know his girlfriend was/is lying about everything, you can't know that yet. You don't know he was on drugs that day. You don't know he was punching Zimmerman. You don't know Zimmerman didn't instigate the fight. You don't know the paths that led the two to meet. And yet, you're all so ****ing sure of everything.

That list represents exactly what is wrong with your arguments.

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And, thanks, Caine. The guy who tried calling me out as "shooting down any source" when I asked where the screenshots of Trayvon's Facebook came from. Yeah, the screenshots that ONLY exist on conservative blogs. Are you in the police force? Because if so, that's ****ing scary.

I'm so sure of everything Zimmerman said until the prosecution can prove him wrong. That is how the criminal justice system works.

You are not guilty until you can prove yourself innocent, EVEN in self-defense cases.
Nobody saw who started the fight, except Zimmerman. So is the criminal justice system supposed to assume, with no evidence to the contrary, that someone is lying, yet not be able to prove how it really happen and expect an conviction?

The answer..... is no. That isn't how it works.

Originally Posted by whysoserious

I put this awesome list together in about 30 minutes. It's a list of factually innaccurate statements from just a sample of the past few days by conservatives on this thread (a sample as I did not read through every post nor did I choose every one that had a misstatement or inaccuracy in it):

Still whinning about getting your arse kicked..lol

What happens now is, the *purple drank* will possibly be relevant. The erratic behavior (suspicious attitude) described by Zimmerman gives Zim's version more weight and credibility....the *why Zim was following MArtin*

Originally Posted by Catawba

There is nothing factual to back up any of them!!!

therre is plenty of information to support many of those claims. So your statement is not true. If you had said there is not enough evidence to prove many of them I'd agree with you. But most of those claims can be backed up. More importantly there isn't any factual evidence to discredit them either. So where do you think that leaves it?

Originally Posted by whysoserious

You guys continue to impress society with your inability get even the most basic of ideas... such as saying you know something as fact when you cannot possibly know it as fact is ****ing stupid. You don't know who started the fight, you can't know. You don't know his girlfriend was/is lying about everything, you can't know that yet. You don't know he was on drugs that day. You don't know he was punching Zimmerman. You don't know Zimmerman didn't instigate the fight. You don't know the paths that led the two to meet. And yet, you're all so ****ing sure of everything.

That list represents exactly what is wrong with your arguments.

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And, thanks, Caine. The guy who tried calling me out as "shooting down any source" when I asked where the screenshots of Trayvon's Facebook came from. Yeah, the screenshots that ONLY exist on conservative blogs. Are you in the police force? Because if so, that's ****ing scary.

this is where you are wrong. if something is not known, the defendant gets the benefit of the doubt. At least in America. The defendant is Zimmerman in this case. Not knowing who started the fight = Zimmerman did not start the fight e\ct

Originally Posted by Caine

I'm so sure of everything Zimmerman said until the prosecution can prove him wrong. That is how the criminal justice system works.

You are not guilty until you can prove yourself innocent, EVEN in self-defense cases.
Nobody saw who started the fight, except Zimmerman. So is the criminal justice system supposed to assume, with no evidence to the contrary, that someone is lying, yet not be able to prove how it really happen and expect an conviction?

The answer..... is no. That isn't how it works.

Exactly. And what really bothers me is if this happened the other way around, if Trayvon had killed Zimmerman and was facing charges these same people would be right here stating that he should be let go since we dont know what happened. I also find it even funnier that normally my fellow liberals are with me in assuming innocence but these same people who rally to get get people off death row and out of prison who were convicted of crimes under questionable circumstances are suddenly wanting to see a man thrown in prison without evidence. This is why the liberal movement struggles. We should be standing up for everyone's rights, not just minorities. But it seems some people forget that.

Originally Posted by Caine

I'm so sure of everything Zimmerman said until the prosecution can prove him wrong. That is how the criminal justice system works.

You are not guilty until you can prove yourself innocent, EVEN in self-defense cases.
Nobody saw who started the fight, except Zimmerman. So is the criminal justice system supposed to assume, with no evidence to the contrary, that someone is lying, yet not be able to prove how it really happen and expect an conviction?

The answer..... is no. That isn't how it works.

Originally Posted by muciti

this is where you are wrong. if something is not known, the defendant gets the benefit of the doubt. At least in America. The defendant is Zimmerman in this case. Not knowing who started the fight = Zimmerman did not start the fight e\ct

This is ****ing insane. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp. Ok, here is an example of giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt:

"A witness said Martin was on top and may or may not have been throwing punches. I think, based off of Zimmerman's account and the witnesses, that Martin could have started the fight."

Now, here's what every one of you guys ****ing do:

"A witness said Martin was slamming Zimmerman's head into the ground. Martin attacked Zimmerman and threatened his life."

Tell me you can see the difference between making **** up and stating a possible conclusion. Zimmerman is OBVIOUSLY innocent until proven guilty, so spare me the ****ing nonsense, whining "OMG THIS IS AMERICA" bull****. Can we talk about this intelligently or will you guys just continue to use conjecture and theory and tout them as facts?

It's your dignity, not mine.

Originally Posted by muciti

Exactly. And what really bothers me is if this happened the other way around, if Trayvon had killed Zimmerman and was facing charges these same people would be right here stating that he should be let go since we dont know what happened. I also find it even funnier that normally my fellow liberals are with me in assuming innocence but these same people who rally to get get people off death row and out of prison who were convicted of crimes under questionable circumstances are suddenly wanting to see a man thrown in prison without evidence. This is why the liberal movement struggles. We should be standing up for everyone's rights, not just minorities. But it seems some people forget that.

You don't know that. If Trayvon was following Zimmerman and then shot him, while Zimmerman was unarmed? I can promise you I'd be quite suspicious of Trayvon, just as I am quite suspicious of Zimmerman right now. So again, quite making up nonsense, as you've just shown it again. You don't know what would happen if things were turned out, so quite pretending like you do.