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Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied Head

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A new photograph obtained exclusively by ABC News showing the bloodied back of George Zimmerman's head, which was taken three minutes after he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, gives possible credence to his claim that Martin had bashed his head against the concrete as he fought for his life.

The exclusive image shows blood trickling down the back of George Zimmerman's head from two small cuts. It also shows a possible contusion forming on the crown of his head. The original police report that night notes that the back of Zimmerman's head was wet, and that he was bleeding from the nose and head.
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Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied Head - Yahoo!

Imo, looks like Zimmerman may have told the truth about the back of his head being slammed on the pavement by Trayvon Martin.

Your thoughts?
 
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Yeah, just how does this evidence continue to 'leak'? If it was available today, after the charges were filed, how was it not two weeks ago? I read somewhere that the Sanford Mayor instructed some 'leakage' to deflate the tension some time back...is this still going on? Why?
 
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Dickieboy said:
Yeah, just how does this evidence continue to 'leak'? If it was available today, after the charges were filed, how was it not two weeks ago? I read somewhere that the Sanford Mayor instructed some 'leakage' to deflate the tension some time back...is this still going on? Why?
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Probably money.
 
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Did those cuts need stitches?
 
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Res Cogitans said:
Did those cuts need stitches?
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According to the article, Zimmerman was not admitted to a hospital or given stitches the night of the incident.
 
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I'm pretty sure an investigator for the state said today that Zimmerman had injuries consistent with his head hitting concrete so I think it's safe to say that Zimmerman head was, in fact, injured if both sides agree on it.
 
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ric27 said:
So, when is "deadly force" authorized?

Look at the pic above
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I would imagine if Zimmerman was getting his head repeatedly slammed on the pavement that he would have the justification to shoot the punk off of him, imho.
 
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I am so sure, sweet faced, innocent, skittle eating, iced tea drinking, Trayvon Martin had absolutely nothing to do with those gashes on head head that magically aren't there when he walks into the police station for booking.
 
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Wake said:
I would imagine if Zimmerman was getting his head repeatedly slammed on the pavement that he would have the justification to shoot the punk off of him, imho.
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Legal justification or personal justification?

If you're arguing personal justification, I agree. If you're arguing legal justification, I don't agree that getting your head slammed on the pavement ALONE is legally justified. If it were, then anyone could start a fight, lose and then shoot the person they're losing to without consequence.
 
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Phoenix said:
I am so sure, sweet faced, innocent, skittle eating, iced tea drinking, Trayvon Martin had absolutely nothing to do with those gashes on head head that magically aren't there when he walks into the police station for booking.
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Wonder if we should consider Zimmerman a political prisoner?
 
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I want to know if any biased media distorted the evidence. Isn't it true, initially, that a somewhat left-leaning media outlet stated there were no gashes or injuries on the back of Z's head?
 
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Wake said:
I would imagine if Zimmerman was getting his head repeatedly slammed on the pavement that he would have the justification to shoot the punk off of him, imho.
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The one does not necessarily follow the other. Someone whooping your ass in fight may or may not be justification for shooting them in the chest with a 9mm.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Legal justification or personal justification?

If you're arguing personal justification, I agree. If you're arguing legal justification, I don't agree that getting your head slammed on the pavement ALONE is legally justified. If it were, then anyone could start a fight, lose and then shoot the person they're losing to without consequence.
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Hn. I don't know.

From a limited perspective on the laws, I think you have the legal right to shoot someone who is slamming your head repeatedly on the hard pavement. Zimmerman had no way of knowing when Martin would end the attack, and he could have suffered even worse injuries, or death. I would rather take my gun and shoot him off, rather than wait and discern if Martin wants to leave me severely injured, in a coma, or dead.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
The one does not necessarily follow the other. Someone whooping your ass in fight may or may not be justification for shooting them in the chest with a 9mm.
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What do you think qualifies for self-defense? Is it alright to shoot someone who's coming at you with a knife, but not alright to shoot someone who has you on your back, your head in his hands, repeatedly slamming your head against the pavement? The line needs to be drawn somewhere.
 
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Wake said:
Hn. I don't know.

From a limited perspective on the laws, I think you have the legal right to shoot someone who is slamming your head repeatedly on the hard pavement. Zimmerman had no way of knowing when Martin would end the attack, and he could have suffered even worse injuries, or death. I would rather take my gun and shoot him off, rather than wait and discern if Martin wants to leave me severely injured, in a coma, or dead.
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If you have a legal right to shoot someone who is slamming your head on the pavement alone, then anyone can start a fight , lose and kill the person they're losing too. Would you like that?
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
If you have a legal right to shoot someone who is slamming your head on the pavement alone, then anyone can start a fight , lose and kill the person they're losing too. Would you like that?
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That's a good point.

The problem is discerning exactly who initiated the fight. It could have been Zimmerman for stopping Martin, or it could have been Martin for initiating the violence. We just don't know for certain yet; we do know that new evidence on Z's injuries surfaced today.

It makes me wonder why the photos weren't released when they were taken at the night of the incident. Why withold evidence?
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
If you have a legal right to shoot someone who is slamming your head on the pavement alone, then anyone can start a fight , lose and kill the person they're losing too. Would you like that?
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I have no problem with that. I see shooting a person that has enough control over another person's body to slam their head into the pavement completely justified. I sure it wasn't Trayvon that slammed his head into the pavement. Zimmerman weighed 100 lbs more than Martin.
 
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Wake said:
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Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied Head - Yahoo!

Imo, looks like Zimmerman may have told the truth about the back of his head being slammed on the pavement by Trayvon Martin.

Your thoughts?
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Wasn't it an ABC "exlusive" video which didn't show any evidence of cuts to Zimmerman's head in the first place? Jeez. These people sure seem to be back-tracking. :lol:
 
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lizzie said:
Wasn't it an ABC "exlusive" video which didn't show any evidence of cuts to Zimmerman's head in the first place? Jeez. These people sure seem to be back-tracking. :lol:
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It only goes to show that everyone needs to stop jumping to conclusions.

As evidence is presented and/or clarified, we learn a bit more about the truth.

I wonder what people have to say for themselves; those people being the ones who said Zimmerman had no injuries.
 
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Phoenix said:
I have no problem with that. I see shooting a person that has enough control over another person's body to slam their head into the pavement completely justified. I sure it wasn't Trayvon that slammed his head into the pavement. Zimmerman weighed 100 lbs more than Martin.
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The situation you just said "you have no problem with" would lead to three things:
1. People initiating contact with those whom they know they will lose to just to shoot them.
2. People initiating contact and then pretending to lose the fight just to shoot their opponent.
3. People getting even more reckless with guns and shooting whoever because they know they can just rely on the "I was losing the fight" defense even if they instigated the conflict.

Why is that okay to you?
 
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lizzie said:
Wasn't it an ABC "exlusive" video which didn't show any evidence of cuts to Zimmerman's head in the first place? Jeez. These people sure seem to be back-tracking. :lol:
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Less "backtracking" and more "new evidence". You don't willfully pursue and show new evidence if you're backtracking.
 
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Wake said:
That's a good point.

The problem is discerning exactly who initiated the fight. It could have been Zimmerman for stopping Martin, or it could have been Martin for initiating the violence. We just don't know for certain yet; we do know that new evidence on Z's injuries surfaced today.
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Even if it is found that Zimmerman initiated the conflict, according to the law, Z can still claim self defense under the FL law. At the point he felt great bodily harm or death was imminent .

Wake said:
It makes me wonder why the photos weren't released when they were taken at the night of the incident. Why withold evidence?
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We are not a court. They aren't withholding anything. Notice these things we know are being "leaked"
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Less "backtracking" and more "new evidence". You don't willfully pursue and show new evidence if you're backtracking.
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So, they had the evidence that there were no cuts initially, but later found evidence otherwise? Ummm, the funny thing about that is, on the initial exclusive video they brought out, you could see the cuts- they just kind of skipped over that fact in their apparent giddiness to try and portray otherwise.
 
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Phoenix said:
(1) Even if it is found that Zimmerman initiated the conflict, according to the law, Z can still claim self defense under the FL law. At the point he felt great bodily harm or death was imminent .


(2) We are not a court. They aren't withholding anything. Notice these things we know are being "leaked"
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(1) I agree in that it's reasonable.

(2) While it's true we're not in court, I'm still curious as to why this picture was withheld—kept. Knowing this story was getting out of hand as partisans across the board jumped on this issue, why not release this picture earlier? What it boils down to is curiosity in why it took so long for this picture to be leaked.
 
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