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Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied Head

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StillBallin75 said:
Or a broken sarcasm detector.
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Normally I'd agree, but I have to take into account the source... which has a long non-sarcastic record.
 
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So is it now safe to say that the police screwed up royally if these are the only available pics of Zimmerman's wounds?
 
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Tettsuo said:
So is it now safe to say that the police screwed up royally if these are the only available pics of Zimmerman's wounds?
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It's not the police's job to release photos to the public.
 
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pbrauer said:
The amount of blood is no indication of the seriousness of the injury. The wound could be just superficial scratches... notice the straight line at the top of his head.
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Really?

With that amount of blood it certainly doesn't look "superficial." I don't think having your head slammed against the pavement repeatedly is "just superficial."
 
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Wake said:
Really?

With that amount of blood it certainly doesn't look "superficial." I don't think having your head slammed against the pavement repeatedly is "just superficial."
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Is there any evidence to suggest that his head was slammed repeatedly, or just once? I'm no expert but I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions, Wake.
 
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Phoenix said:
"Losing a fight" doesn't equal "slamming a person's head into the pavement" In order to be in a position to slam a person's head into the pavement you have to have nearly complete control of their body. The assailant has overpowered the victim to a point he can't do anything to prevent the vicious onslaught. (unless he has a gun he can reach) The victim is at the mercy of the assailant. It happens in mmo. Once it's evident one party can do nothing to stop the aggressor, they stop the fight.
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****....why don't we just skip physical altercations and just shoot people if a situation gets heated. If someone walks up to me and I feel threatened just shoot him. If I'm in a postion where I feel I need to use physical violence and I win apparently it's grounds for me to get shot legally.

That's the problem with Stand Your Ground laws.
 
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Ockham said:
Normally I'd agree, but I have to take into account the source... which has a long non-sarcastic record.
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It was sarcasm. Basically I believe that no matter what evidence comes out in this case, neither side is going to waiver in their position. Nor should they, this has been fun!
 
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muciti said:
It shows that he is remorseful for the loss of life. It shows that he is not a racist. There is this idea of a trigger happy gun crazed clanmen runs around shooting black kids for drinking tea that is pretty common among some circles.
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You just proved that you believe whatever you want to believe. Words don't prove that someone is remorseful and a mother's words don't show that someone is not a racist. They're just words. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Is there any evidence to suggest that his head was slammed repeatedly, or just once? I'm no expert but I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions, Wake.
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I'm inclined to err on the side that it was more than once, seeing that Zimmerman told the truth all along about having his head slammed to begin with. It may have been just once, but by the looks of the injury I'm inclined to say it was more than just once.
 
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Phoenix said:
If they picked the fight and are in reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death, then yes I believe it is okay.
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I try to mug you. You get all uppity and fight back and I get afraid for my life. I shoot you dead and it's all good? I shouldn't have to face charges for the homicide?
 
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iliveonramen said:
****....why don't we just skip physical altercations and just shoot people if a situation gets heated. If someone walks up to me and I feel threatened just shoot him. If I'm in a postion where I feel I need to use physical violence and I win apparently it's grounds for me to get shot legally.

That's the problem with Stand Your Ground laws.
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Don't use physical violence.
 
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Phoenix said:
If they picked the fight and are in reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death, then yes I believe it is okay.
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Well, that's a very dangerous position. It just opens it up to people picking fights with whomever they want to kill and getting away with murder.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Legal justification or personal justification?

If you're arguing personal justification, I agree. If you're arguing legal justification, I don't agree that getting your head slammed on the pavement ALONE is legally justified. If it were, then anyone could start a fight, lose and then shoot the person they're losing to without consequence.
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Are you serious? Someone is slamming your head on the pavement, an action which could cause your death, and that is not justification for shooting the person who is trying to kill you?
 
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Wake said:
With that amount of blood it certainly doesn't look "superficial." I don't think having your head slammed against the pavement repeatedly is "just superficial."
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I don't think it looks like that much blood for a head injury.

But I am not medically trained nor experienced.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
I try to mug you. You get all uppity and fight back and I get afraid for my life. I shoot you dead and it's all good? I shouldn't have to face charges for the homicide?
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A disclaimer should be put on my statement "A person not engaged in illegal activity".
 
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justabubba said:
that he is remorseful for the parent's loss of their child

that he was so racist that he mentored black kids
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So if a killer says he's remorseful, he's remorseful? Really? Is that the standard we go by nowadays? If he says, it must be true!

Is there a handbook somewhere that says racist people can't mentor black children?
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
You just proved that you believe whatever you want to believe. Words don't prove that someone is remorseful and a mother's words don't show that someone is not a racist. They're just words. Nothing more, nothing less.
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you don't think it can be proven whether zimmerman actually mentored black kids?
how about we ask the kids and their parent(s)
 
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Tettsuo said:
So is it now safe to say that the police screwed up royally if these are the only available pics of Zimmerman's wounds?
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If that were the only photo, then the PD would have screwed up.

However it is not yet "safe to say" that is the only photo.
 
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justabubba said:
you don't think it can be proven whether zimmerman actually mentored black kids?
how about we ask the kids and their parent(s)
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No, I don't think a mother saying, "my kid's not racist" is proof that someone isn't racist.
 
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SgtRock said:
Are you serious? Someone is slamming your head on the pavement, an action which could cause your death, and that is not justification for shooting the person who is trying to kill you?
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It's a personal justification, but a legal justification if you start the fight.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Is there any evidence to suggest that his head was slammed repeatedly, or just once? I'm no expert but I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions, Wake.
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Because I have had experience with the game called "telephone", I can safely say that I agree with you about inferring from inferences based on 2nd hand accounts.
 
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Phoenix said:
If they picked the fight and are in reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death, then yes I believe it is okay.
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Phoenix said:
A disclaimer should be put on my statement "A person not engaged in illegal activity".
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Starting a fight is an illegal activity afaict.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
So if a killer says he's remorseful, he's remorseful? Really? Is that the standard we go by nowadays? If he says, it must be true!
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we can look at that consistent with how truthful he has been in the past
he put himself in potential jeopardy by getting on that stand, subjecting himself to cross examination
he did something he did not need to do, by taking that stand to say 'i'm sorry' to martin's folks
now, that could have been calculated to deceive people like me into believing that is an indication of genuineness ... but then it could also be genuine remorse. that he attempted to convey such empathy to the parents via his initial attorneys is further indication he may be genuinely remorseful for their loss of their son

Is there a handbook somewhere that says racist people can't mentor black children?
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don't anticipate many anti-black racists are out there looking to help mentor black kids
but if you find instances where my hypothesis is incorrect, share them with us
 
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