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Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied Head

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lizzie said:
So, they had the evidence that there were no cuts initially, but later found evidence otherwise? Ummm, the funny thing about that is, on the initial exclusive video they brought out, you could see the cuts- they just kind of skipped over that fact in their apparent giddiness to try and portray otherwise.
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You couldn't see the cuts on the initial, non-enhanced version of the video. You could see what appeared to be cuts in the enhanced version that ABC put out.

ABC did what any responsible news source does. It put out the original and gave it's take. It investigated further and reported the updates as it investigated. That's the exact opposite of backtracking.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
The situation you just said "you have no problem with" would lead to three things:
1. People initiating contact with those whom they know they will lose to just to shoot them.
2. People initiating contact and then pretending to lose the fight just to shoot their opponent.
3. People getting even more reckless with guns and shooting whoever because they know they can just rely on the "I was losing the fight" defense even if they instigated the conflict.

Why is that okay to you?
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"Losing a fight" doesn't equal "slamming a person's head into the pavement" In order to be in a position to slam a person's head into the pavement you have to have nearly complete control of their body. The assailant has overpowered the victim to a point he can't do anything to prevent the vicious onslaught. (unless he has a gun he can reach) The victim is at the mercy of the assailant. It happens in mmo. Once it's evident one party can do nothing to stop the aggressor, they stop the fight.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
The one does not necessarily follow the other. Someone whooping your ass in fight may or may not be justification for shooting them in the chest with a 9mm.
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The.... *fear for your life* is the trigger at that crucial moment

Someone hitting, banging your head....and you saying..."****...I'm gonna die"

Its... fear for your life and stopping, the threat....not killing the threat
 
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washunut said:
Wonder if we should consider Zimmerman a political prisoner?
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You see this trial and arrest as being the results of Z's political beliefs? Can you explain?
 
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zimmerman won in court today

it appears the investigator failed to have his medical records, which records may likely indicate zimmerman sustained a broken nose

we learned that the shot was up close

we learned that the state has no witness which contradicts zimmerman's account that he
1. was the victim of an assault; and
2. that he was returning to his vehicle and not following martin


we also learned that the investigator is a dolt. made a weak case MUCH weaker
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
You see this trial and arrest as being the results of Z's political beliefs? Can you explain?
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No not his political beliefs, I don't even know what those are.

Rather would this person be in charged with second degree murder without folks like Sharpton and others getting on TV demanding justice. Zimmerman also deserves justice. So far in the charging documents, the case against him seems rather thin. Perhaps that will change during trial, if not then I would say that he is being put on trial to quite the public not out of any concept of justice.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
If you have a legal right to shoot someone who is slamming your head on the pavement alone, then anyone can start a fight , lose and kill the person they're losing too. Would you like that?
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Losing a fight is not the same as beating someone's head against concrete. You don't hit a guy when he is down on the ground. Also keep in mind, a head being slammed into concrete can cause serious injury, brain damage and death.

We now can say with certainty, I think with neither side contesting it to my knowledge, that Zimmerman was in fact in danger of serious injury, brain damage, or death.
 
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muciti said:
We now can say with certainty, I think with neither side contesting it to my knowledge, that Zimmerman was in fact in danger of serious injury, brain damage, or death.
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I don't think that this photo establishes that.
If there was some qualified medical professional who examined Z irl and reached that conclusion, I'd be inclined to accept that.
But a photo on the interwebs of what APPEARS to be some scrapes isn't enough to convince me that Z was in danger of becoming a vegetable. Not saying that it convinces me he was NOT in such danger, just that it's pretty flimsy foundation to build such a case on.
 
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Zimmerman to Martin's parents: "I'm sorry" - CBS News

Some other things of note I am taking from the above article.

Zimmerman was wearing a suit but was in shackles as he took the stand. He said he didn't know that Martin was 17 and that he was unarmed during their altercation.
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This would make sense and partially helps understand what was in Zimmermans mind. He didnt see a 17 year old with skittles. He saw an adult who may have had a weapon who decided to assault him

"I'm sorry for the loss of your son," Zimmerman said.
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Zimmerman is expressing remorse for the loss of Martin's life. I do not think it is solely for this bail hearing as the article also states

Zimmerman asked to meet with Martin's parents before the hearing, but the family's lawyers said this was not the time.
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Meeting with them prior would do little or nothing to help his case for bail. I think he genuinely wants them to know that he is not happy that he had to take a life.

For those of you, like Sharon and Shiek, who are still calling Zimmerman a racist
Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, said her son was "very protective" of vulnerable people such as the homeless and children. She described how he got involved in a mentoring program for children in Orlando, noting that both of the children he mentored were African-American like Martin.

Mrs. Zimmerman said she was concerned about her son's safety in that program because he traveled twice a month to a dangerous neighborhood.

"He said, 'Mom, if I don't go, they don't have nobody,"' Mrs. Zimmerman said
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Res Cogitans said:
Did those cuts need stitches?
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Are you asking for a medical opinion? If so, relelvance?
 
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Phoenix said:
I have no problem with that. I see shooting a person that has enough control over another person's body to slam their head into the pavement completely justified. I sure it wasn't Trayvon that slammed his head into the pavement. Zimmerman weighed 100 lbs more than Martin.
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Source? I don't remember this large a difference.
 
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muciti said:
Losing a fight is not the same as beating someone's head against concrete. You don't hit a guy when he is down on the ground.
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Getting your head beat into the concrete is, in fact, one way to lose to a fight. Your comments indicate that you support people having the legal right to pick a fight and then shoot because they are losing the fight? Am I correct?

Also keep in mind, a head being slammed into concrete can cause serious injury, brain damage and death.
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Which is why people shouldn't pick fights they're going to lose.

We now can say with certainty, I think with neither side contesting it to my knowledge, that Zimmerman was in fact in danger of serious injury, brain damage, or death.
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No, we can't, but my point doesn't even have anything to do with Zimmerman specifically. It has do with believing that people have legal justification to kill just because they're getting their ass handed to them.
 
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muciti said:
Zimmerman to Martin's parents: "I'm sorry" - CBS News

Some other things of note I am taking from the above article.

This would make sense and partially helps understand what was in Zimmermans mind. He didnt see a 17 year old with skittles. He saw an adult who may have had a weapon who decided to assault him

Zimmerman is expressing remorse for the loss of Martin's life. I do not think it is solely for this bail hearing as the article also states

Meeting with them prior would do little or nothing to help his case for bail. I think he genuinely wants them to know that he is not happy that he had to take a life.

For those of you, like Sharon and Shiek, who are still calling Zimmerman a racist
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What exactly do you think the words of a killer and his mother are supposed to prove?
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
I don't think that this photo establishes that.
If there was some qualified medical professional who examined Z irl and reached that conclusion, I'd be inclined to accept that.
But a photo on the interwebs of what APPEARS to be some scrapes isn't enough to convince me that Z was in danger of becoming a vegetable. Not saying that it convinces me he was NOT in such danger, just that it's pretty flimsy foundation to build such a case on.
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The photo showing the injuries supports the SD claim that Zimmermans head was slammed into concrete.

We have Zimmermans statement to police, we have 2 eye witness who say the head being slammed into concrete, now we photographic evidence supporting it. We have no evidence to the contrary. We dont even have a statement from the prosecution or anything else contradicting it.

Zimmermans head was slammed into the concrete.
 
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I don't see how it is hard to believe the GZ used deadly force. What is to stop Trayvon from grabbing GZ's gun after knocking him silly by banging his head on the concrete? I can absolutely see how deadly force could have been necessary. Disclaimer: I am NOT saying this is how it happened, just how I could believe GZ felt deadly force was necessary.

People have their blinders on in regards to this case, for which I blame the media and their poor reporting of this case. The blatant bias in the media regarding this case has turned an issue of self-defense into a hate crime for which there was no evidence. Imagine how many of the reporters were licking their chops when they heard a unarmed young black man was shot by someone who wasn't black.
 
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muciti said:
This would make sense and partially helps understand what was in Zimmermans mind. He didnt see a 17 year old with skittles. He saw an adult who may have had a weapon who decided to assault him
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That's something I have been saying for a bit and catching grief for.
I think that when Z told the PD that M was reaching in his waistband, Z was considering that M may have been armed.
Z knew that he was putting himself unnecessarily into a potentially dangerous situation.

muciti said:
Zimmerman is expressing remorse for the loss of Martin's life. I do not think it is solely for this bail hearing as the article also states
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I don't think "the article" actually states that.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Getting your head beat into the concrete is, in fact, one way to lose to a fight. Your comments indicate that you support people having the legal right to pick a fight and then shoot because they are losing the fight? Am I correct?

Which is why people shouldn't pick fights they're going to lose.


No, we can't, but my point doesn't even have anything to do with Zimmerman specifically. It has do with believing that people have legal justification to kill just because they're getting their ass handed to them.
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If they picked the fight and are in reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death, then yes I believe it is okay.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
What exactly do you think the words of a killer and his mother are supposed to prove?
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that he is remorseful for the parent's loss of their child

that he was so racist that he mentored black kids
 
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Getting your head beat into the concrete is, in fact, one way to lose to a fight. Your comments indicate that you support people having the legal right to pick a fight and then shoot because they are losing the fight? Am I correct?
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No you are not correct. My point is that his head was in fact beaten against the concrete, and that a head being beaten into the concrete can cause serious injury, brain damage or death. We still don't have any clue who actually started the fight.

Which is why people shouldn't pick fights they're going to lose.
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Advice Martin should have heeded as well.

No, we can't, but my point doesn't even have anything to do with Zimmerman specifically. It has do with believing that people have legal justification to kill just because they're getting their ass handed to them.
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Ass handed to them is one thing. In a fight you can go too far. SD laws dont allow you to do certain things. I know for a fact your SD claim ends when someone falls. I was outside a bar in detroit quite a few years back and a man outside punched me in the face because he thought I was checking out his lady. (i probably was). He comes over says something and punches me. I hit him back and his drunk ass fell. While he was down I kicked him in the head. When the police came I was arrested for assault. It was very clearly explained to me why. My punch was fine. But when he went down i lost any legal right to hit him. The same applies in this case I believe. We don't know who started the fight. But we do know that Zimmerman fell at some point, and we know that Trayvon took it too far by getting on top of someone who was on the ground and slammed their head into concrete.
 
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Wake said:
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Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied Head - Yahoo!

Imo, looks like Zimmerman may have told the truth about the back of his head being slammed on the pavement by Trayvon Martin.

Your thoughts?
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The amount of blood is no indication of the seriousness of the injury. The wound could be just superficial scratches... notice the straight line at the top of his head.
 
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Phoenix said:
I am so sure, sweet faced, innocent, skittle eating, iced tea drinking, Trayvon Martin had absolutely nothing to do with those gashes on head head that magically aren't there when he walks into the police station for booking.
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Nothing like making up your own facts to justify a flawed belief.
 
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muciti said:
The photo showing the injuries supports the SD claim that Zimmermans head was slammed into concrete.
We have Zimmermans statement to police, we have 2 eye witness who say the head being slammed into concrete, now we photographic evidence supporting it. We have no evidence to the contrary. We dont even have a statement from the prosecution or anything else contradicting it.
Zimmermans head was slammed into the concrete.
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All of what you say in the above post, or rather none o what you say in the above post is the same thing as what you said in the post I was replying to.
You may not realize that because you know what you meant in each case. Whereas I don't I can only go by your words. And your words were something different than that.

Take a look at what you said that I quoted.


"Zimmerman was in fact in danger of serious injury, brain damage, or death."


Nowhere in the second post do you mention "serious injury, brain damage, or death."

If you can see ths difference between your two posts, then you might realize that I didn't say that Z didn't have an injury. Nor did I contend that he got his injury in some other place or way.

I objected to the characterization of that photo as proof that it was reasonable for Z to fear "serious injury, brain damage, or death."

I don't think that the photo shows the opposite either. It just shows what it shows. But I don't think what is shown is strong enough evidence to conclude that Z was necessarily at risk of "serious injury, brain damage, or death."

Hope that makes sense.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
What exactly do you think the words of a killer and his mother are supposed to prove?
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It shows that he is remorseful for the loss of life. It shows that he is not a racist. There is this idea of a trigger happy gun crazed clanmen runs around shooting black kids for drinking tea that is pretty common among some circles.
 
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