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Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:169]

Meathead said:
The Grand Jury was bypassed because there was no way they would have accepted the charges. She seemed to feel that she had to press charges so as to be seen to be doing something and appease the black community. There is no way they'll get a conviction.
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It depends on the charge. Based on the evidence we have seen I dont think murder will stick. But manslaughter, or reckless endangerment or a number of lesser charges could. There is no way based on what we know that you can disprove his self defense claim. But they may be able to prove he used excessive force (manslaugter) or acted recklessly.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
This is your guess?
Or is there something to back this up? Like Angela Corey's history of always using grand juries?

I won't be surprised either way, conviction or no.
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Grand juries are typically a rubber stamp for the prosecutors. To go to the grand jury with a charge of reckless endangerment would be the most she could ask for. That would trigger riots if the charges were understood.
 
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muciti said:
If there is enough evidence we as a public have not been made aware of it. You also do not speak for America. Many people don't want a trial. Some feel its not needed. Some dont care. Some want him murdered in the street.
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And some want the killing of an unarmed man swept under the rug. None of that is going to happen though we have a judicial system to take care of it.
 
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disneydude said:
The masses have NOT called for vengeance. The only thing that the overwhelming majority of people in this country have asked for is that Zimmerman be arrested and that he face a jury trial. Let the jury hear the facts and decide whether he is guilty or not. What upset people about this case is the way that the police botched the investigation and that George Zimmerman was allowed to walk free. Most people in this country understand that given the facts/circumstances, there is WAY MORE than enough evidence to justify an arrest. Whether there is enough to convict. THAT is for the jury to determine.
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Yeah, Im rather disappointed in this post coming from someone who, to my knowledge, was an attorney.

A. Your still going with "The police botched the investigation". Yet nobody have been able to prove this statement as they have repeated it over and over and over. An investigation is not "botched" just because it turns up without an arrest.
B. You are stating there is WAY MORE than enough evidence to justify an arrest. Yet I haven't seen a shred of evidence outside of speculation that Zimmerman is lying about his self-defense claim.

Im still curious as to what evidence they are going to use to disprove Zimmerman's claim to self-defense.
 
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disneydude said:
I never claimed to "Speak for America", however, it doesn't take much effort to look a number of public opinion polls which clearly show that the OVERWHELMING majority of this country believed that an arrest should be made and justice should be allowed to run its course. Sure....certainly.....there are people at both extremes of public opinion. It doesn't, however, take away from the very clear message of what the vast majority of Americans believed should happen.
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you dont speak for the vast majority either. I believe the vast majority want him convicted of murder.
 
Meathead said:
Grand juries are typically a rubber stamp for the prosecutors. To go to the grand jury with a charge of reckless endangerment would be the most she could ask for. That would trigger riots if the charges were understood.
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Grand jurors are by and large idiots. They would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor presented it to them.
 
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disneydude said:
Of course there will be people who are upset. However, the OVERWHELMING majority of the people in this country simply wanted justice to be served and that means, make an arrest and have a jury trial.
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You know better than this.

You don't arrest someone just because the people (aka mob) want them to be.
 
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disneydude said:
I never claimed to "Speak for America", however, it doesn't take much effort to look a number of public opinion polls which clearly show that the OVERWHELMING majority of this country believed that an arrest should be made and justice should be allowed to run its course. Sure....certainly.....there are people at both extremes of public opinion. It doesn't, however, take away from the very clear message of what the vast majority of Americans believed should happen.
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Can you please correct the grammar in your sig? If you put it in quotes, I want to know who said it because anyone who talks like that should be shot.
 
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Caine said:
Yeah, Im rather disappointed in this post coming from someone who, to my knowledge, was an attorney.

A. Your still going with "The police botched the investigation". Yet nobody have been able to prove this statement as they have repeated it over and over and over. An investigation is not "botched" just because it turns up without an arrest.
B. You are stating there is WAY MORE than enough evidence to justify an arrest. Yet I haven't seen a shred of evidence outside of speculation that Zimmerman is lying about his self-defense claim.

Im still curious as to what evidence they are going to use to disprove Zimmerman's claim to self-defense.
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More over the curiosity of what Zimmerman may have told the special prosecutor himself. There is way to much speculation out that create these torches and pitch fork trials that have been happening.
 
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disneydude said:
Grand jurors are by and large idiots. They would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor presented it to them.
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Yeah, but she would have to charge the defendant with the same charges she asked the grand jury. She feels she has to do something to appease the black community. Either way, he won't even get a slap on the wrist unless he gets an "inner city jury", like the one which found OJ not guilty.
 
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disneydude said:
I never claimed to "Speak for America", however, it doesn't take much effort to look a number of public opinion polls which clearly show that the OVERWHELMING majority of this country believed that an arrest should be made and justice should be allowed to run its course. Sure....certainly.....there are people at both extremes of public opinion. It doesn't, however, take away from the very clear message of what the vast majority of Americans believed should happen.
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If you want to see what the vast majority of people want look at the bounties. Look at the death threats. Read the comments on the news articles. There are a ton of people out there who want blood. Not justice. Vengeance.
 
muciti said:
It depends on the charge. Based on the evidence we have seen I dont think murder will stick. But manslaughter, or reckless endangerment or a number of lesser charges could. There is no way based on what we know that you can disprove his self defense claim. But they may be able to prove he used excessive force (manslaugter) or acted recklessly.
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Glad to see that you DO accept that the scenario could describe crimes other than murder, something you were previously arguing against.
 
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disneydude said:
No reasonable person would describe this as a "monkey trial". There is ample evidence to believe that a crime may have been committed. That is all that is required for an arrest. Whether there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt (which is not required to arrest) remains for the jury to decide. Thats all America ever wanted.
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Funny, no ample evidence existed until the angry mob formed.

First, the angry mob wanted him to be detained and interrogated. How awful was it that he wasn’t even questioned and was simply allowed to walk home. I heard this over and over a month ago.

Oops. He was detained. The media got the story wrong. He was questioned for hours and hours, and consented to a form of lie detector even.

Next, the angry mob wanted his gun to be taken. How ridiculous is it that the person shooting the poor innocent boy got to leave the scene of the crime with his gun.

Oops. The gun was taken from him as well.

Now I hear that all we really want is an arrest so a trial can go forward. Sorry If I sound skeptical.

The real hypocrisy in it all though, is I keep hearing how Zimmerman should of let the police do their job. This is coming from the people that have done nothing but question the job the police and prosecution has done regarding this case by not issuing an initial arrest and pursuing charges.
 
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muciti said:
If you want to see what the vast majority of people want look at the bounties. Look at the death threats. Read the comments on the news articles. There are a ton of people out there who want blood. Not justice. Vengeance.
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If that constitutes the vast majority of Americans, then we are in deeper doo doo than just Obama.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Glad to see that you DO accept that the scenario could describe crimes other than murder, something you were previously arguing against.
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Dont tell lies. Show me where i argued that murder was the only option. I can show you multiple posts where i said manslaughter was the only charge i thought would stick. Prove it or go home. Good luck. Ill be here waiting.
 
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Caine said:
Yeah, Im rather disappointed in this post coming from someone who, to my knowledge, was an attorney.

A. Your still going with "The police botched the investigation". Yet nobody have been able to prove this statement as they have repeated it over and over and over. An investigation is not "botched" just because it turns up without an arrest.
B. You are stating there is WAY MORE than enough evidence to justify an arrest. Yet I haven't seen a shred of evidence outside of speculation that Zimmerman is lying about his self-defense claim.

Im still curious as to what evidence they are going to use to disprove Zimmerman's claim to self-defense.
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Caine....I understand that you are a police officer. And as such, I hope that you look at how this case was handled and would agree that the police investigation of this case was less than adequate.

How many cases have you as a police officer handled in which one party claimed self-defense and you still made an arrest? My guess is probably hundreds. Simply claiming "self defense" doesn't get someone off the hook. Personally I've handled several cases where one person was dead and the other claimed self-defense with very little other evidence (with mixed results). The fact of the matter is, you as a police officer are aware that arrests/charges and trials rarely if ever rely on the defendant's claim. They will carefully analyze the 911 call. They will look to see whether Zimmermans claims are consistent with the physical evidence. Did the police take photographs of his supposed injuries? You would agree with my, I'm certain, that this would be standard protocol. We will be able to see if in fact the physical evidence is consistent with his claims. The police/proescutors/defense will attempt to locate other witnesses and convince others to come forward that might have information. The bottom line is, perhaps you are correct, that Zimmerman will prevail on a claim of self-defense, but that isn't what is required to effecutate an arrest. As you are well aware, the standard for an arrest and a conviction are very different. Here, there clearly is enough evidence for an arrest and charges....this doesn't depend on refuting his claim of self defense, something that I know as an officer that you are aware of.
 
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muciti said:
If you want to see what the vast majority of people want look at the bounties. Look at the death threats. Read the comments on the news articles. There are a ton of people out there who want blood. Not justice. Vengeance.
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You must not be from here. We have not had a national lynching since John Wilkes Booth and there is no way there are a majority in favor of one. It's just as crazy to want him to go scott free you know.
 
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muciti said:
Dont tell lies. Show me where i argued that murder was the only option. I can show you multiple posts where i said manslaughter was the only charge i thought would stick. Prove it or go home. Good luck. Ill be here waiting.
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You were arguing, along with the Rev, that the description of events describing the killing could only be interpreted as murder. I pointed out to you that it could describe manslaughter and other charges. You AVOIDED that point, your point. Remember?
 
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Rapunzel52 said:
Really??? What do you suppose will happen if he is found not guilty?
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Some will react badly as some always do, but evidence will at least be presented.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You were arguing, along with the Rev, that the description of events describing the killing could only be interpreted as murder. I pointed out to you that it could describe manslaughter and other charges. You AVOIDED that point, your point. Remember?
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SHow me a quote where I said the only scenario was murder. Are you going to do that?
 
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