Martin/Zimmerman, geometry of the attack

sharon · Mar 16, 2013

Excon said:
Why is it you think that this attack was not a dynamic event when it obviously was?
Just how many seconds do you think it takes for a person to see and go for a gun and speaking in the process?
I ask because you obviously are not aware that what has been described as happening at this point (his noticing and going for the gun with stated intent to murder) takes less than two full seconds and it's fastest.
So what in total with Zimmerman getting to it first and and drawing? Three or four seconds?
Yet you seem to think it takes years to happen, making it impossible. Strange.

Stop telling untruths sharon.
That is not why he said he got on top of him.
He said he got on top of him to restrain him after he thought he had given up beating him.

Yes he is. Just as many soldiers are who are attacked and fire in self defense.
Your point?

Speaking about your self again? You should really stop.

George says he didn't know Trayvon was dead because he was still talking so he jumped on his back.. Listen to GEORGE..

GZ also said that he wasn't sure he'd hit him.

Excon · Mar 16, 2013

sharon said:
George says he didn't know Trayvon was dead because he was still talking so he jumped on his back.. Listen to GEORGE..

GZ also said that he wasn't sure he'd hit him.

And again sharon. He said he did so to restrain him after he thought he had given up beating him, as he did not know he was dead.
Do you really not understand that?

buck · Mar 16, 2013

sharon said:
Lawrence Kobilinsky is a forensic scientist in ballistics.

Great... Not even close, but at least you finally got it right... Now, shall we go see what he said about the case?

"It's the politically correct thing to have him arrested, but I don't know that there is enough evidence," he said.

Granted that was fairly early in the case... But other then his talking about the bullet trajectory in the pisotrious shooting, I see nothing relevenat to Zimmerman. Was there a claim of his you would like to focus on? OR is this another red herring in which he never talks about bullet trajectory nor even offers anything that would dispute Knox's claim?

buck · Mar 16, 2013

sharon said:
Dennis McQuire.. ballistic forensics in Miami..

Thank for the correction. I did a search for "Dennis Mcquire" and "Trayvon" and nothign of relevance came up... Are you just putting out random names without even realizing they never even discussed the trajectory issue?

buck · Mar 16, 2013

sharon said:
The only person who can convince you about the voices is you.. and the 2 analysis I have read are effectively a rule out.

I can only say that when I went searching for McQuery the first time, the only relevant link I located was regarding the voices and who they belonged to. The link indicated that the "experts" contradicted themselves, as they themselves stated they do not have similar examples to compare. This is similar to the FBI voice analyst who indicated there is no way they could be sure, due to the example not being sufficient.

buck · Mar 16, 2013

sharon said:
How was George yelling if Trayvon was "smothering" his nose and mouth?

If you listen to the tape, there is a period of time wher the yelling stops. So.. I guess that answers that quesiton.

Why did the howling and begging stop the instant of the gunshot?

Because George no longer needed the help, as he thought Trayvon was giving up and George was busy getting on top of Trayvon. Another ridiculous question answered.

sharon · Mar 16, 2013

buck said:
If you listen to the tape, there is a period of time wher the yelling stops. So.. I guess that answers that quesiton.

Because George no longer needed the help, as he thought Trayvon was giving up and George was busy getting on top of Trayvon. Another ridiculous question answered.

George said that he jumped on Trayvon because he didn't know he was dead and he wasn't sure he'd shot him... He also said that Trayvon was still talking.. He told the neighbor who came out, Help me, I need help to restrain him.

BTW..Paypal allows you UP TO 10k transfers. NOT JUSt transfers 9,999.99 AND LESS.
GZ had the option - and he funds to transfer 10k all those times. So yeah it appears he was hoping to CHEAT the IRS as well as the court, his lawyer, the judge and all of us taxpayers!!

buck · Mar 16, 2013

sharon said:
George said that he jumped on Trayvon because he didn't know he was dead and he wasn't sure he'd shot him... He also said that Trayvon was still talking.. He told the neighbor who came out, Help me, I need help to restrain him.

BTW..Paypal allows you UP TO 10k transfers. NOT JUSt transfers 9,999.99 AND LESS.
GZ had the option - and he funds to transfer 10k all those times. So yeah it appears he was hoping to CHEAT the IRS as well as the court, his lawyer, the judge and all of us taxpayers!!

I noticed you completely ignore your whole trajectory claim and how the experts you keep citing never said anything about it. If you have one, please post a link, i would really like to read the analysis. Instead, all we have are a few anonymous bloggers supporting you and a forensic expert who makes a living doing this tuff supporting me. I (and George) win!

Who know swhat Trayvon was still doing. There could have been some expiring air in his final moment that sounded like words. Zimmerman indicates he's not really sure what he said, he then gave something that it sounded like. The fact that he asked the neighbor for help "restraining him" would certainly lend credence (to any jury) to his claim that he didn't realize he was dead and he was fearful of what the kid had just done to him.

Then he and his wife would have been charged with more then just "perjury". They didn't charge him, because there was a rational explanation for the amount of transfers.

sharon · Mar 16, 2013

buck said:
I noticed you completely ignore your whole trajectory claim and how the experts you keep citing never said anything about it. If you have one, please post a link, i would really like to read the analysis. Instead, all we have are a few anonymous bloggers supporting you and a forensic expert who makes a living doing this tuff supporting me. I (and George) win!

Who know swhat Trayvon was still doing. There could have been some expiring air in his final moment that sounded like words. Zimmerman indicates he's not really sure what he said, he then gave something that it sounded like. The fact that he asked the neighbor for help "restraining him" would certainly lend credence (to any jury) to his claim that he didn't realize he was dead and he was fearful of what the kid had just done to him.

Then he and his wife would have been charged with more then just "perjury". They didn't charge him, because there was a rational explanation for the amount of transfers.

George also said he pulled Trayvon's arms out from underneath him to check for a weapon..

I am going to wait on the forensics.. Its a waste of time to post links and information that you "can't get thru".

Excon · Mar 16, 2013

sharon said:
Its a waste of time to post links and information that you "can't get thru".

OMG! That is so hilarious.
You don't do that anyways. You never do.
Every time you get asked to support your fictitious claims, you run.

buck · Mar 16, 2013

sharon said:
George also said he pulled Trayvon's arms out from underneath him to check for a weapon..

I am going to wait on the forensics.. Its a waste of time to post links and information that you "can't get thru".

I will read anything that you link to from a forensic expert, especially if that expert contradicts what Knox and I believe. I promise.

If you send me a video from some random individual that is not a forensic expert, where he takes 3 minutes to post 15 seconds worth of information, I wil not get through it. I promise.

I even read that silly huffpo blogger (his name was like pipedream or something - real credible there) that you posted where he claims 8 problems with Zimmerman's story (some of which he was just plain wrong on) but not one of those 8 issues had anything to do with trajectory - the reason you linked him.

It all very surreal. I really suspect it's because you are into that leatherman blog, where everyone echos each other and no dissenting voices are heard... So you only know the silly stuff they post. What is your name their, btw? I see posts from someone that I swear is you... She/he keeps saying "Shruck" and other wierd claims that you make.

sharon · Mar 17, 2013

buck said:
I will read anything that you link to from a forensic expert, especially if that expert contradicts what Knox and I believe. I promise.

If you send me a video from some random individual that is not a forensic expert, where he takes 3 minutes to post 15 seconds worth of information, I wil not get through it. I promise.

I even read that silly huffpo blogger (his name was like pipedream or something - real credible there) that you posted where he claims 8 problems with Zimmerman's story (some of which he was just plain wrong on) but not one of those 8 issues had anything to do with trajectory - the reason you linked him.

It all very surreal. I really suspect it's because you are into that leatherman blog, where everyone echos each other and no dissenting voices are heard... So you only know the silly stuff they post. What is your name their, btw? I see posts from someone that I swear is you... She/he keeps saying "Shruck" and other wierd claims that you make.

I don't post on Leatherman.. and rarely read it. I just find George's sissy, put on lisp to be amusing. That video wasn't linked to leatherman..

buck · Mar 17, 2013

sharon said:
I don't post on Leatherman.. and rarely read it. I just find George's sissy, put on lisp to be amusing. That video wasn't linked to leatherman..

I apolgoize for that piece then... But yes.. That video (by LLMPA) originated with leatherman's blog. LLMPA is one of the members at that site. Which explains why he can't even get the simple stuff right. That picture you kept posting (the one describing something other then what Zimm indicates happened) was also one they kept using..> So, I think it was a fairly decent assumption to make.