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California Progressives seek to provide more rewards to illegal aliens

Anyone who thinks the very pro business Republican Party is really serious about shutting off the pipeline of cheap labor that businesses love is being naive.

The GOP will point fingers and throw red meat to their base, but look at the history. Even when they had the chance to do something, they never did. Hell Reagan gave them amnesty and Bush II wanted to.
 
Democrats push to extend health, legal rights to immigrants

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Responding to federal inaction over immigration reform, California Democrats on Tuesday announced a package of 10 bills that would extend health care, legal rights and business protection to immigrants who are illegally living in the state.

Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, and Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, led the majority party's push to expand health coverage to all Californians, regardless of their immigration status, although they are not proposing any funding to pay for the extensions.

"Today we remind the rest of the nation that California is different," de Leon said at a news conference in Sacramento attended by immigrant-rights advocates and families with members in the country illegally.

Democrats who control the governor's office and both chambers of the Legislature have said they want to find ways for immigrants to come out of the state's economic shadows. The 10 bills were previously introduced, but they were touted Tuesday by supporters for advancing immigrants' rights.


Should California Progressives in control of the government be rewarding illegal aliens at the expense of US citizens living in the state? What should minorities do to counter the tremendous economic harm illegal aliens have caused them, given Progressives apparently are no longer interested in them?

Yeah, I have a big problem with that myself, along with the whole driver's license thing too. It's throwing good money after bad in my view and the only thing that it will really accomplish is to open up a great big money black hole which of course will do nothing for the rest of the state. It make me wonder though, how many unscrupulous employers are behind this kind of thing: it's free health care and reliable transportation for their employees
 
Democrats push to extend health, legal rights to immigrants

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Responding to federal inaction over immigration reform, California Democrats on Tuesday announced a package of 10 bills that would extend health care, legal rights and business protection to immigrants who are illegally living in the state.

Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, and Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, led the majority party's push to expand health coverage to all Californians, regardless of their immigration status, although they are not proposing any funding to pay for the extensions.

"Today we remind the rest of the nation that California is different," de Leon said at a news conference in Sacramento attended by immigrant-rights advocates and families with members in the country illegally.

Democrats who control the governor's office and both chambers of the Legislature have said they want to find ways for immigrants to come out of the state's economic shadows. The 10 bills were previously introduced, but they were touted Tuesday by supporters for advancing immigrants' rights.


Should California Progressives in control of the government be rewarding illegal aliens at the expense of US citizens living in the state? What should minorities do to counter the tremendous economic harm illegal aliens have caused them, given Progressives apparently are no longer interested in them?

I guess that blows out of the water the liberal position that it's all businesses fault we have illegals because they hire them. Hell we have sanctuary cities, and states welcoming them in with no deportation effort. Of course anything that goes wrong in this country is because of corporate America and the rich.
 
Democrats push to extend health, legal rights to immigrants

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Responding to federal inaction over immigration reform, California Democrats on Tuesday announced a package of 10 bills that would extend health care, legal rights and business protection to immigrants who are illegally living in the state.

Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, and Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, led the majority party's push to expand health coverage to all Californians, regardless of their immigration status, although they are not proposing any funding to pay for the extensions.

"Today we remind the rest of the nation that California is different," de Leon said at a news conference in Sacramento attended by immigrant-rights advocates and families with members in the country illegally.

Democrats who control the governor's office and both chambers of the Legislature have said they want to find ways for immigrants to come out of the state's economic shadows. The 10 bills were previously introduced, but they were touted Tuesday by supporters for advancing immigrants' rights.


Should California Progressives in control of the government be rewarding illegal aliens at the expense of US citizens living in the state? What should minorities do to counter the tremendous economic harm illegal aliens have caused them, given Progressives apparently are no longer interested in them?


In a sane society these elected officials would be removed form office and thrown into prison for encouraging illegal immigration like this.
 
Yeah, I have a big problem with that myself, along with the whole driver's license thing too. It's throwing good money after bad in my view and the only thing that it will really accomplish is to open up a great big money black hole which of course will do nothing for the rest of the state. It make me wonder though, how many unscrupulous employers are behind this kind of thing: it's free health care and reliable transportation for their employees

The unscrupulous employer is the big problem. No employers, fewer jobs. However, with millions of illegals sucking the economy dry throughout California, they've reached an economic tipping point where they are the employers themselves.

It's a mystery to me how Liberal/Progressives are getting away with the pandering, given the economic annihilation illegals have perpetrated in other minority communities desperate for jobs.
 
In a sane society these elected officials would be removed form office and thrown into prison for encouraging illegal immigration like this.

True - Which exposes their objective, and also proves the point that liberal/progressives are willing to destroy economies and economic opportunity as long as they can get political power. California hasn't reached it's rankings in terms of taxes and welfare by accident.
 
Democrats push to extend health, legal rights to immigrants

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Responding to federal inaction over immigration reform, California Democrats on Tuesday announced a package of 10 bills that would extend health care, legal rights and business protection to immigrants who are illegally living in the state.

Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, and Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, led the majority party's push to expand health coverage to all Californians, regardless of their immigration status, although they are not proposing any funding to pay for the extensions.

"Today we remind the rest of the nation that California is different," de Leon said at a news conference in Sacramento attended by immigrant-rights advocates and families with members in the country illegally.

Democrats who control the governor's office and both chambers of the Legislature have said they want to find ways for immigrants to come out of the state's economic shadows. The 10 bills were previously introduced, but they were touted Tuesday by supporters for advancing immigrants' rights.


Should California Progressives in control of the government be rewarding illegal aliens at the expense of US citizens living in the state? What should minorities do to counter the tremendous economic harm illegal aliens have caused them, given Progressives apparently are no longer interested in them?

Y'know, you really should learn to read what the bills actually say before you ASSUME that the progressives are simply throwing open the doors to mass immigration.

There are three bills listed in your reference:

— SB4 by Sen. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, would open California's Medicaid program to immigrants, as well as extending subsidized health benefits in a new insurance marketplace for those without legal status.

So...according to a local NBC affiliate, what does the bill say? "Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, and Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, led the majority party's push to expand health coverage to all Californians, regardless of their immigration status, although they are not proposing any funding to pay for the extensions."

So...how are the illegals supposed to get health coverage if the state's not going to pay for it? From the same reference: "The proposal previously carried a cost as high as $1.3 billion a year. But Lara said he is trying to lower the tab by seeking a federal waiver so immigrants can purchase private health insurance."

Oh, so the illegals pay pay for it THEMSELVES!

And what about the other bills?

— AB900 by Assemblyman Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, seeks to align state law with federal immigration rules to maximize the number of immigrant children seeking legal status.

So let's look at that! "AB 900 (Levine) aligns California law with federal immigration law to allow for the maximum number of youth in California to receive humanitarian relief through the SIJS Visa. This legislation will ensure that immigrant children who have been abandoned and abused are able to present their case before a judge who can consider their unique needs as children instead of rubber stamping their automatic deportation."

What's the sense in aligning California law with federal law? How about saving a ton of taxpayer dollars because one is no longer having to work through both state and federal case law? It's called "streamlining the legal process".

And what's the last bill?

— SB674 by de Leon and Atkins would give immigrant victims of crime the opportunity to apply for the federal Victim of Crime Visa, known as a U-Visa. De Leon said the bill mandates local law enforcement to certify immigrants who are victims of human trafficking, rape and sexual assault rather than "subjectively start making immigration policy themselves."

Is this really a case of progressives trying to recreate some sort of Reagan amnesty? Or is this more of a matter of America trying to protect the most vulnerable?

What happened here, Ocean515, is you looked at what your article said - and to give you credit, the article isn't that inflammatory - but you really should have looked at what the bills actually said and did before you condemned them.
 
Hell we have sanctuary cities, and states welcoming them in with no deportation effort.

There is a point where liberalism contradicts itself and becomes dangerous to society. I'm talking about the murder of Kate Steinle and the San Francisco sanctuary city situation.

At a minimum when liberals place so little value on the lives of the innocent among us and elevate the rights of the of those who would do them harm, they have just committed an injustice, all while SUPPOSEDLY pursing "social justice".
 
I fill sorry for CA taxpayers that will now be forced to pay even more in taxes to support this insanity.
 
There is a point where liberalism contradicts itself and becomes dangerous to society. I'm talking about the murder of Kate Steinle and the San Francisco sanctuary city situation.

At a minimum when liberals place so little value on the lives of the innocent among us and elevate the rights of the of those who would do them harm, they have just committed an injustice, all while SUPPOSEDLY pursing "social justice".

The actions they take based on ideology demonstrate that it's not so much about caring for others as it is about acquiring political power.
 
Democrats push to extend health, legal rights to immigrants

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Responding to federal inaction over immigration reform, California Democrats on Tuesday announced a package of 10 bills that would extend health care, legal rights and business protection to immigrants who are illegally living in the state.

Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, and Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, led the majority party's push to expand health coverage to all Californians, regardless of their immigration status, although they are not proposing any funding to pay for the extensions.

"Today we remind the rest of the nation that California is different," de Leon said at a news conference in Sacramento attended by immigrant-rights advocates and families with members in the country illegally.

Democrats who control the governor's office and both chambers of the Legislature have said they want to find ways for immigrants to come out of the state's economic shadows. The 10 bills were previously introduced, but they were touted Tuesday by supporters for advancing immigrants' rights.


Should California Progressives in control of the government be rewarding illegal aliens at the expense of US citizens living in the state? What should minorities do to counter the tremendous economic harm illegal aliens have caused them, given Progressives apparently are no longer interested in them?

Surely if the main objection to illegal immigration is that it pushes down wages then allowing illegals to get paid the minimum wage, join trade unions and such would be the most practical way to solve that problem?
 
If illegal immigrants were made citizens, they would be subject to wage laws, would have to pay taxes, and would consume in our economy instead of sending the money they earn back to their native homelands.
 
Surely if the main objection to illegal immigration is that it pushes down wages then allowing illegals to get paid the minimum wage, join trade unions and such would be the most practical way to solve that problem?

Actually, I think the main objection is not that they push down wages. The main objection is they are illegally stealing jobs from legal citizens, and destroying economic opportunity for some of the most vulnerable citizens in this country.

For example, their presence is devastating job opportunities in Black Communities. Look at the unemployment rates.

Frankly,it's a wonder Liberal/Progressives can look Blacks in the face and say they care, when at the same time, they are doing everything they can to protect and reward illegal aliens at every turn. I wonder how long it will be before these Black communities will figure they have been played for fools?
 
AND, the main objection is not the only objection. It's not immigration, these aren't immigrants, these are criminals. Illegal aliens.

Really, where is the President and Atty General? When AZ tried to mess with enforcement they were all over the state like flies on ****.
 
Actually, I think the main objection is not that they push down wages. The main objection is they are illegally stealing jobs from legal citizens, and destroying economic opportunity for some of the most vulnerable citizens in this country.

For example, their presence is devastating job opportunities in Black Communities. Look at the unemployment rates.

Frankly,it's a wonder Liberal/Progressives can look Blacks in the face and say they care, when at the same time, they are doing everything they can to protect and reward illegal aliens at every turn. I wonder how long it will be before these Black communities will figure they have been played for fools?

Then again if illegals had to be paid the minimum wage then they could compete on a level playing field with eveyone else.
 
Then again if illegals had to be paid the minimum wage then they could compete on a level playing field with eveyone else.

Very few illegals are paid less than minimum wage. If you disagree, show me the proof. The fact is, illegals shouldn't be working at all.

Perhaps you can offer some insight on what those minority communities most grievously harmed by illegal aliens can expect next by liberal/progressive politicians who are abandoning them.
 
Very few illegals are paid less than minimum wage. If you disagree, show me the proof. The fact is, illegals shouldn't be working at all.

Perhaps you can offer some insight on what those minority communities most grievously harmed by illegal aliens can expect next by liberal/progressive politicians who are abandoning them.

Sweet FA but thats a topic for another thread.

As regards the topic in hand i always assumed that was the point, why else would you bother hiring someone who could get you into trouble due to his or her lack of papers?
 
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Sweet FA but thats a topic for another thread.

As regards the topic in hand i always assumed that was the point, why else would you bother hiring someone who could get you into trouble due to his or her lack of papers?

AN employer can hire an illegal alien for less and still pay the illegal a decent wage (under the table) as the employer doesn't have to pay taxes and Social Security.
 
AN employer can hire an illegal alien for less and still pay the illegal a decent wage (under the table) as the employer doesn't have to pay taxes and Social Security.

If they wish so yes, but this is another way in which their being illegal makes them more attractive as workers, hence my point.

And of course there are many cases of illegals being paid far less then a decent wage, for example many Indian and Pakistani resturants in England will hire people from overseas and take their passports away, then pay them a pittance and refuse to let them leave. A freind of mine even worked in a place were the pot washing staff lived in the back of the resturant and were not even allowed to go outside. Its pretty clear why those with such freedom to treat their staff as they wish have no reason to employ locals.
 
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If they wish so yes, but this is another way in which their being illegal makes them more attractive as workers, hence my point.

I agree that they shouldn't be working. I was just pointing out how some employers can pay the same wage and make more money. I support going after the employer evading taxes also.
 
I agree that they shouldn't be working. I was just pointing out how some employers can pay the same wage and make more money. I support going after the employer evading taxes also.

Like i say i don't dispute that many are making the decent money, many most certainly arent, in both cases its their illegal status which is the cause of this and making life very unpleasant for pretty much everyone besides employers. Hence the obvious solution of changing their status.
 
Like i say i don't dispute that many are making the decent money, many most certainly arent, in both cases its their illegal status which is the cause of this and making life very unpleasant for pretty much everyone besides employers. Hence the obvious solution of changing their status.

Nahh, that is like saying it is hard to enforce a law so we will do away with it. I have a neighbor that lives in a camper. She has not had any septic facilities since 2007. That is illegal as her feces can contaminate her neighbor's wells. Does the county code enforcement ignore it since it is inconvenient to enforce the code?
 
Worked with prohibition. And its not 'hard' its demonstrably impossible.

Apples and oranges. I would expound on that but I am going to bed.

I can tomorrow however. Just reply as a reminder for me to pick it up tomorrow. It looks like this could be a rational conversation and I enjoy those. Thanks.
 
Sweet FA but thats a topic for another thread.

As regards the topic in hand i always assumed that was the point, why else would you bother hiring someone who could get you into trouble due to his or her lack of papers?

It's pretty clear the Federal Government isn't too interested in prosecuting, are they? The legality of working is obviously not a concern to liberal/progressives, is it?

If it was, why would liberals be encouraging illegal aliens to come here? Not to work?
 
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